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Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« on: June 22, 2011, 07:17:19 AM »
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There are some inconsistencies in the history of Overlord run 3, as listed in Alex's post on SaberForum.com http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14674#msg14674 screenshot http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Alexspost.png
Overlord run 4 main thread.
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.0.
A very inaccurate and disturbing post by Darth Wraith http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14697#msg14697 screenshot http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Dwraithspost.png

Alex is probably not aware of them, as they occurred in council chambers at FX and Alex was not a Mod at the time.
The staff at FX went above and beyond trying to get the OV3 to it's customers. This I witnessed first hand.
Some examples:

Luke Skywalker offered to Fly out and pick them up, pack them and ship them to Me in FL or US HQ, TWICE... on his own dime. Several other prominent members, local to installer D offered to drive and do the same. All offers were refused.
Casey of Gemini concepts sent 200.00 to provide shipping costs for the sabers. These funds were never recovered.

Vader's Vault, Gemini Concepts, LDM/General Greivious offered to help with installs for free, if only the sabers could be organized and sent.

Of Note Arbiter Obi-Wan Kenoboi(2x sabers), and Mod Qui-Gon Jinn(1xsabers+US 2.0 soundboard) never received their sabers or a refund in the hopes that installer D would complete and ship them. There may be others, but I am not aware of them.

To get the Ball rolling, Yoda the FX-Sabers.com Site owner had to contact Installer D directly to get the sabers shipped to me in FL.
I was the public face of the run at this point and received a ton of PMs and angry, and  posts from members demanding updates. The package I received was contained 15 hilts, an incomplete set of parts and only 6 orders.

I had to start a thread to get the remaining orders, and then verify them. While doing this and waiting for parts time marched on. I accepted NO new clients and cleared my build log, so I could give the OV3 my full attention. It was a loss of income.

After a few months, I contacted Yoda and Alex, and informed them I was was send all the info and parts to US HQ as they had the parts to completed the run and get the sabers out. I then proceeded to accept new customers and rebuild my reputation among the community.
My involvement did not end there. I repaired 2 Overlords at Alex's request as warranty claims. I was not compensated for this.
If you wish to learn more about the history of OV3, please check this link. http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0

I wish you the utmost success with Overlord run 4. My first non replica custom saber was an Overlord from run 2 with a US 1.1 installed. A wonderful saber, and I'm sure newer customers will agree. If you need measurements, for the emitter I have one left.

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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 07:30:08 AM »
Thanks for setting the record straight Jango...many of us who were Overlord customers caught in that debacle were not aware of all these details. I as one can only say to all of you who with the best of community spirit tried so hard 'behind the scenes' to make that unfortunately messed up situation right...it IS appreciated. Merci Beaucoup, Muchos Gracias, Thank You!
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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 07:37:33 AM »
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=129.0

This link no worky.  Was the post deleted?



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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 07:38:14 AM »
I did not purchase an overlord, however I was a moderator during the scandal, and I saw firsthand what went down.

I wont go into detail but I will say this "aristocracy" that is accused of exisitng here, was the only people going to bat for the customers, and the only party making such efforts to bring a just resolution to the whole situation. From some offering to meet Derek in person and help ship them, to other offering their services with no expectations of compensation, to a few sending in their own money to pay to have the items shipped to the customers, of which nothing was shipped and money gone.

Thats your so called "Nazis" at work.

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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 07:51:18 AM »
I just want to add that I even chatted with Derek in the spring of 2010 when he expressed an interest in exiting the hobby with a clean slate,  in case he ever decided to return.  I offered to DRIVE there and pick up the rest of the orders in person,  as he is located only a few hours from me and he balked at the suggestion,  which leaves it open to interpretation as to whether or not he  actually still had possession of the Overlords and their assorted parts.

So,  while I am still out a couple hundred dollars worth of saber and soundboard,  I'm just chalking it up to experience and moving on.  It's in that past,  and I'd like to keep it that way.


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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 07:57:04 AM »


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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 08:16:26 AM »
I don't really think the point of bringing this issue back up is to create a war of forums.....   ::)   The point of the Jango's post is set the record straight on a issue that we would never like to see happen again... 

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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 08:18:20 AM »
I don't really think the point of bringing this issue back up is to create a war of forums.....   ::)   The point of the Jango's post is set the record straight on a issue that we would never like to see happen again... 

Yeah, I wasn't trying to say he was, just pointing it out.



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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 08:33:30 AM »
No, I'm not trying to start a forum war. Just setting the facts straight.
Lots of members tried to help get run 3 out the door and/or lost money on it, and that should be acknowledged.

I do not believe 90% of the thread insults the fX-sabers.com community and staff. Maybe just a post or two.
They are a nice welcoming community, just maybe a little to much roleplaying.


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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 09:21:07 AM »
Screw it, you guys REALLY want to re-hash this after all this time?   I was just trying to give the people on my forum a little hint at why the Overlord is a sore spot for me without re-opening the wound.  My post was purposefully vague so as to not call anyone out, but I can see such simple nuance is beyond some people.  Of course, Jango, you helped out considerably and did your part.  Did I not thank you enough those years ago?  Do you need public recognition now from people who have no clue who you are?  I didn't take anything away from you, it's like I said in my post:

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Everyone did what they were supposed to do except one of the people entrusted with assembly.


No, I didn't go into further detail, but a dissertation on the subject isn't warranted for a group of people who were not there at the time.  Most of them had no clue what the Overlord was, much less who any of the people you mentioned are.  Why bring up all that unpleasantness?

The only other thing I said that you touched on was:

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Of course, Ultra Sabers stood behind the project, so I had to compensate for all the stolen parts out of my pocket alone.  No one else involved with the project had to bear any of that burden.

I'm pretty sure this is true unless other people chipped in to pay for stolen parts that I am not aware of??  Did anyone happen to pay for my lathe?  You can just paypal it to me, thanks.

The other "contributions" offered up were indeed offers, but not ones that could be taken up on.  Offering to help, and actually helping, are two very different things.  Offering to help build sabers to which the PARTS WERE STOLEN, doesn't help because the sabers can't be built... you know... because of the stolen parts?  Sending a thief more money... uh huh... that doesn't help.    He already stole my lathe, my parts, and ruined my rep - you think he would care about your 200 bucks??  

Offering to meet said thief at his house??  A guy that was described as "unstable" and "brain tumor guy"....  bad idea, you think??  The good intentions were appreciated, but the loss I suffered from him stealing my lathe and the tooling was a couple grand alone, not to mention the missing hilts, LEDs, sound boards, etc...  And I had already paid Derek to build ALL the Overlords, so I was out that money, too.  Now when did I ever come to anyone and ask for help covering those losses?  Never.  I paid for all of it.  Like I said, I didn't put the burden of the stolen parts on anyone else - and that's all I was saying.

Now, if you want to get all over me for not going into detail, what you said here should infuriate Mike and me both:

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Yoda the FX-Sabers.com Site owner had to contact Installer D directly to get the sabers shipped to me in FL.

Uhm... no... It wasn't just "Mike called Derek and he did it".  No.  We tried that, numerous times, and Derek lied to us and then just started ignoring us.  We had to make a pretty drastic commitment to get it resolved.  Mike and I both had to threaten our once close friend that we would fly up to Muncie and actually press charges of grand theft against him.  And it couldn't be some idle threat; we had to actually commit to doing it.  We had to get the cops on board, push to have a detective put on the case and then make sure the DA would actually issue a warrant and have it executed while we were there.  This was no quick process; coordinating with law enforcement isn't as easy as it looks on CSI.

But we finally got our ducks in a row, we made the threat and put our cards on the table...  only THEN, did 15 of the 30+ hilts make it out of Derek's.  Yeah, Josh, we were a hair away from hopping a jet across the nation to have one of the most prominent members of this community, and a friend we knew for years, thrown in the slammer.  Who do you think would have financed that little excursion?  You?  "The Council"?  And I was fully prepped and ready to do it because I said I would do whatever it took to get those sabers - and many people refused refunds, they didn't want their piddly 140 bucks, they wanted a freakin Overlord and didn't care what xxx it put anyone through to get one so long as they got their precious!

Again, pardon me for not making every single thing we do a public affair.  I know yall THRIVE on every juicy bit of drama there on Jerry Springer Sabers, but to me and most civilized people I know, this type of unpleasantness is on a need to know basis.  But since you, Allaerra, and god knows who else is xxx bent on coming to my forum and stirring this up all over again, well, there you have it, the wound is open to fester once more!!  You really think this trip down memory lane betters your community?  If so, then it's no community I want to be part of.  My community likes to focus more on the positive and have fun... because lightsabers are supposed to be fun, or have you forgotten?

To be honest, I really don't care anymore.  Have your drama, eat it all up, choke on it.  It's like vitamins to you people.  My original post was made over a month ago; I had forgotten all about it, but I can always count on the team here to drudge up old forgotten grievances...  go team.

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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 09:46:55 AM »
EDITED.

Decided I don't feel like being involved.
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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 09:51:22 AM »
Guys, we don't need a wedge between two of the most prominent forums.  This doesn't have to be my forum vs. your forum, our guys vs. your guys.  

I think it's hard for anyone on either side to have a good idea of everything that went on.  From what I'm reading, it seems that everyone (save one installer) performed admirably to get this run out, and many people lost money - some more than others - but it looks, to me, like everyone did their very best to help save the run.  Of course one perspective is going to be different from another, right?  We all had different viewpoints, and of course, they're not going to line up 100% of the time.  I was a brand new member here when this was starting up, and I didn't really have any idea what was going on - but looking back at some of the histories, the only point that I can really see is that one person took money/parts which didn't belong to them and ran - which is really the cause of all this arguing, isn't it?

Everyone tried their hardest to get these out.  I understand that those efforts were mildly successful.  Is it necessary to continue pointing fingers, calling names?  

Come on.  This is supposed to be fun - now let's just agree to disagree and move on.
    


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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 09:53:09 AM »
Ultra,

A civil tongue was used on your forums, trying to help explain past events to the over excited, jubilant, and impish members getting a tad too fanatical and jumping to conclusions, as well as trying to curb nasty insults and insinuations that were being spread by a member of both forums. Please consider that your last post is, regardless of your point of view, out of line and im sure a breach of the CoC. A civil tongue would be appreciated here as well.

Personally I have no personal beef with anyone in this issue on either forum. However, I think some people need to read all the posts, write up their long winded replies of angst and butthurts, take a nice 'cool-off' walk away from the screen, then come back. Re-read everything that was just written, and ask themselves.

"Is this the person I want to be, and for people to see me as?"

If not, re-write or delete. However if you can still justify pressing enter, then do so.

In any case... just like you have said numerous times... enough with the drama.

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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 10:01:55 AM »
@Ultra, I did not know the level of effort in "forcing" D to send the parts. Yoda, D, or even yourself never spoke of it.

My purpose was to educate.
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There are some inconsistencies in the history of Overlord run 3, as listed in Alex's post on SaberForum.com
Alex is probably not aware of them, as they occurred in council chambers at FX and Alex was not a Mod at the time.
That's all. Both to you and your forum members.
In the end, Ultrasabers stepped up and got it done. No one is denying that.




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Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 10:08:12 AM »
I didn't post a history, I posted like, 2 paragraphs bottom lining it and the few details I gave were true.  Excuse me for not laying out a case file and posting the minutes, but a complete account would take pages.  And I didn't even read all of Wraith's post and didn't even know you were responding to a post that was made a month ago on the 2nd page of a 5 page thread.   ::)

But if it bothered you, you could have contacted me.  

Why is it I can call you when I am going to release a Sith Stalker inspired saber, just out of courtesy and respect for your work on the cannon version, but you can't contact me if you have a problem with a post on my forum?  Why do you have to make your very first post an argumentative rebuttal to a post made a month prior?  That's not respectful, that is coming into my house and picking a fight with one of my guests.  Call your post whatever you want, but respectful it was not.

Whenever I have an issue with a post made on this site, I just call Mike.  You can call me, too, I know you have the number, and I know Josh does too.  He butt-dialed me May 31st, 2:41pm PST.  Yeah, dude, check your call log, it's there.   :D