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Offline cyclops

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The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:59:22 AM »
Latley I have been researching the 7 forms of the old Jedi Order and how these are performed
but my research is incomplete. I have found no videos for Form 2, Form 6 and Form 7.


Below I have made a list of the youtube vids that I have found for anybody who has not seen them (hard to believe  :D) Absolutly brilliant. My thanks to the state Jedi's
and all other persons involved in the making of these vids, they are very educational and I bet fun to make. Thanks!

FORM 1:
Shii-Cho: Section 1 .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVY9gT6W0Qk
-Awesome moves

Shii-Cho Applied Mechanics & Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0OLlYLB2fA
-Absolutely brilliant

FORM 2:
Makashi - None Found
-Does anyone know how this is performed?, wookieepedia is vague on the details.

FORM 3:
Soresu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=117S0-OiP1I
-I think this has to be my favorite form so far. Great work.

FORM 4:
Ataru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y4SpqKPm7U
-This looks very difficult but a brilliant vid.

FORM 5:
Djem So
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ipk79L6BH4
-quite dark and short but looks great
Shien
-before the form evolved into Djem so - None Found

FORM 6:
Niman - None found

FORM 7:
Juyo/Vaapad - None Found

Are the above Star Wars Canon?
Can anyone help out with the missing forms? Do they exist? If not then can they be created?
« Last Edit: September 03, 2008, 02:16:03 AM by cyclops »

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 06:34:37 AM »
Well I would not call these "research" as the videos are interpretations meaning they are guessing… now that said of course these styles do not exist since well Star Wars isn’t real either… wow how negative, well on a positive note they all look good minus the Ataru this is ridicules in every sense!!! As far as the forms being canon they are, there description state the theory of the form not how to perform them. If you want to see the forms watch Star Wars as Qui-Gon is Ataru as well as Yoda and Obi-wan(TMP only), Obi-wan after TMP is Soresu Anakin is Djem So/Shien, Count Dooku is Makashi, and Mace is Vaapad. I hope this helps
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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 07:10:25 AM »
There is a book called "Jedi vs Sith: the complete guide to the Force"  That has a section that lists various practitioners of each style and what the idea behind the style was.  I think of them more as fighting philosophies than as specific techiques (especially since it is fictional of course) but I change my styles and even attacking/defending angles as I spar to throw off my opponent and keep them guessing as to which angles or even parts of the blade I am attacking with so the philosophies approach just fits my mindset better than forms and such.  I don't have it with me, but I'll try and remember to look it up when I get home and see who went with what style.

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 07:58:39 AM »
I had created what my impression was of and what was described of Vaapad. I was going to be for my demo for my Negotiator. But I am unsatsified at the moment with it. A few Members have seen the forms, but I don't feel they are BMFy enough! :D Eventually I'll get one going, but not for a bit. I've seen some of these vids, and they are pretty creative. Th Ataru is a bit...arial, but isn't it supposed to be. ;D

Makashi, I always thought of it as a "flashy fencer", as Christopher Lee prides himself on being a good fencer in his day and Kyle Rowling was to present a similar format, Jedi style, when he "fought" CGI Yoda. :o


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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 11:14:52 AM »
Form 7 Juyo/Vapaad is MACE WINDU's Style.  AOTC and ROTS show this.

NIMAN is a Dual saber syle Used by Revan, Joclad Danva, Plo Koon, and even Anakin Skywalker at times.

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 11:38:22 AM »
Wow, I didn't know Revan was a Niman practitioner. I always thought that he was a Djem So user

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 08:13:35 PM »
I had created what my impression was of and what was described of Vaapad. I was going to be for my demo for my Negotiator. But I am unsatsified at the moment with it. A few Members have seen the forms, but I don't feel they are BMFy enough! :D Eventually I'll get one going, but not for a bit. I've seen some of these vids, and they are pretty creative. Th Ataru is a bit...arial, but isn't it supposed to be. ;D

Makashi, I always thought of it as a "flashy fencer", as Christopher Lee prides himself on being a good fencer in his day and Kyle Rowling was to present a similar format, Jedi style, when he "fought" CGI Yoda. :o

I'm really looking forward to seeing that vid when you make it Han.  I've taken all those Quizilla quizzes and such to find my saber style, and against all reason, logic, and multiple universes, have been consistently told that this is the style I would use.  I'd love to see the style done right.


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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 08:29:05 PM »
Wow, I didn't know Revan was a Niman practitioner. I always thought that he was a Djem So user

In KOTOR 2 when you enter the one level, you see an image of Revan in the past.  He is holding 2 sabers.  It's considered cannon that he utilized two.

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 12:34:43 AM »
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If you want to see the forms watch Star Wars

No problem there except that, we are mostly seeing the combat applications of the form. Which is great but I would really like to see the full form

There is a book called "Jedi vs Sith: the complete guide to the Force"  That has a section that lists various practitioners of each style and what the idea behind the style was.  I think of them more as fighting philosophies than as specific techiques (especially since it is fictional of course) but I change my styles and even attacking/defending angles as I spar to throw off my opponent and keep them guessing as to which angles or even parts of the blade I am attacking with so the philosophies approach just fits my mindset better than forms and such.  I don't have it with me, but I'll try and remember to look it up when I get home and see who went with what style.

Logically i dont see how a form could be used in a battle either but aren't the forms there to learn the basis of the movements? i.e strength, speed and coordination etc? This is just from the top of my head, so please let me know if im wrong?  :)

Wow, I didn't know Revan was a Niman practitioner. I always thought that he was a Djem So user

In KOTOR 2 when you enter the one level, you see an image of Revan in the past.  He is holding 2 sabers.  It's considered cannon that he utilized two.

Found this on Wookieepedia "Jar'Kai is a subform of Niman and is one of the oldest forms of lightsaber combat, a dual blade wielding technique."
And a little more from Wookieepedia "The application of Jar'Kai also exists as a tactic instead of a completely independent style, one example includes Sora Bulq, who utilized Jar'Kai in conjunction with Vaapad."

There are many more techniques/other forms listed but im in way over my head!  ;D
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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2008, 03:27:47 AM »
I recetly undertook a design project for sabers for each of the 7 old order forms and in my research I found these sources among others that y'all might find interesting in this discussion:


http://www.starwars.com/games/videogames/news20080728.html

This seems mostly to acquaint players of the new weapon-fighting-game Soul Calibur IV with the basics of lightsaber combat but it is clearly explained and there are pictures of the forms being used in-film as well as in-game [I do notice though that Coleman Trebor is described as using Form III Soresu when he falls to Jango Fett whereas most other sources say he was a master of Form VI Niman]



http://lightsaberguide.darkjedibrotherhood.com/LightsaberGuide.pdf

This is more in depth though it was written for a videogaming clan so is also a bit skewed to game dynamics...but still informative and beautifully laid out...I just wish it showed diagrams of each technique listed for each form [also you'll need a .pdf reader like adobe acrobat reader to read it]



http://www.freewebs.com/lightsaber_training/

Komalis Jedi Order has put together interesting articles including these on saber forms...after reading the first page basic guide click on each form listed on the left for a considerably more in depth analysis...again not all diagrammed but much of it's techniques are at least described with attacks and/or defences claimed to be appropriate for the various forms...very interesting imo.

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 08:43:39 AM »
Well, this is really an interesting set of articles, especially the Dark Jedi Brotherhood "manual". I booked marked it and it is a reference point I am utilizing for my "view" on Vapaad Form. I gotta have a alternate view of sword techniques aside from Iaido and Kenjutsu. ;)


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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 01:45:22 PM »
Yes I particularly like the idea in that of Vaapad having no stances. I despise the very notion of stances.
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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 02:11:33 PM »
Wow, I didn't know Revan was a Niman practitioner. I always thought that he was a Djem So user

In KOTOR 2 when you enter the one level, you see an image of Revan in the past.  He is holding 2 sabers.  It's considered cannon that he utilized two.
Thanks, Darth. I recently purchased an old-school Xbox to play KOTOR 1 and 2. I'm still at the beginning of KOTOR 1 and will be playing the Force Unleashed once it comes out  ;)

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 12:53:52 AM »
It would be great if the none camera shy members could fill in the gaps so we have a complete compilation of the 7 forms with all the techniques for a true Jedi/Sith lightsaber form reference.
I would give it a go but to be honest all the reading from wookieepedia without a visual aid makes my head spin.

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Re: The 7 Forms of the Old Jedi Order
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 01:42:25 PM »
I love the look of the ataru form, very inspiring ;D
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