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Dueling Society => Dueling with your Lightsaber => Topic started by: Yoda on July 08, 2005, 06:09:14 PM

Title: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 08, 2005, 06:09:14 PM
Hello Everyone

Well I've finished the tutorial on Duelling with your FX-Sabers.

It gives you instruction on defense and placement as well as a fight sequence
demonstrating these moves and some tips on safe duelling.

Obviously with a clash sound the blades are meant to be struck and allow
the sensor to be set off to make the noise.
As many have stated here in these forums The Saber is not a baseball bat.
I have not taken apart an FX Saber as of yet, but LEDtech is LEDtech and
so are motion sensors, now with that said.

The enemy of all is heat.

That's right Heat! those little lights heat up when left on for a long time.

Now you might not feel or even notice it,  but internally they are being heated
up just by being turned on and the longer you leave it on the more likely you
will blow one out if it is struck against something to hard or to much all at once.

I'll Give you an example: First I've designed and built RC CAR upgrade parts for years
and many of my cars have lights in the bodies.
Now a new light with few "ON HOURS" can take all kinds of impact with out ever even
flickering, but some of the lights that are older and have been turned on and off
quite a bit or have been on for hours at a time, will break upon hard impact!

And I mean a hard impact! And I usually find that the wire leading into the LED is
broken as opposed to the blub it self cracking as most LED Bulbs now are plastic.
So the culprit is that an LED has no way to dissipate it's own heat but they will last
a long time is cared for properly.

Just look at the computer your sitting in front of right now! Or mabey you have an
external Hard Drive, scanner.printer etc... all these use LED lights.
But they are not subjected to hard impacts but they turn on and off a lot and still keep
going right?
So what's the deal and how do we keep these FX-Sabers like new.

First- always use fresh batteries bad power will cause all kinds of problems especially
in the 2nd Gen models that need 6 batteries.
Try to Keep from leaving your blade "turned on for long periods of time" as this will
cause "heat sensitivity" anything more than Ten minutes at a time for Duels is really
to much, take a break in between.

Second- Duell Lightly only impact another blade or something of equivalent strength
and hardness. (The blades are really meant for each other)
That is why when you whack it against your bed the surface impact is to soft to register
in the hilt and the extra force used to hit something soft can cause the blade it's self to
become unseated in the hilt.
Now if you hit to hard a surface to quickly the same is true but it has the opposite effect,
which is more like turning up a stereo to loud and blowing a speaker due to to harsh an
immediate impact like to much trebble in your bass and so on.

Third- The impact it self, The FX blade only needs to be"tapped" enough to register
in the sound module any more and you're in risk of breaking the blades internals.
(You can practice your swing and impact control by hanging a tennis or foose ball
from you celling and pacticing swinging and stopping just before you hit it.)
(You'll know you've improved by being able to make the ball move without hitting it,
as just the force of the air being pushed by your blade will cause the ball to move
just before you hit it.)

Fourth- your swing speed! To fast can ruin the mount of the blade in the hilt
Just watch the Star Wars movies, they are dramatic and in a slower motion that any
real sword fight, so just pay attention to the films and the wide dramatic looking swings
they use for attacks.

Fith- Don't push it! there is the cool factor of locking your blade in battle but this isn't
good for the FX blade or any glued Polycarb blade as th glue will eventually give up over
time. Instead to achieve the same effect touch theblades and follow you opponent
around but, avoid the long term opposing push.

At the bottom of the 1st Page of this thread the tutorial is posted.
You will get a better Idea and it shows the appropriate
basic six zones around the body most commonly used in all staged swordplay.
I hope you will alll have fun with your FX Duels and become experts in swordplay over
time.
It's a lot of fun and a great excercise for the mind and body once you get used to
how it should be done.
Don't forget to be careful and watch your step while you are in battle.
 8)

SCROLL DOWN past comments TO SEE THE PICTURES OF THE TUTORIAL.
These are at full size for downloading and printing.
So dont forget to scroll up and down and scroll though Left to Right to
see the whole thing.
ENJOY...

MTFBWY
always
YODA

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Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: Jedi_420 on July 08, 2005, 06:14:57 PM
 thanks MERIDIAN....really great tips!!!!!!  ;D

     Soon we will all be masters in the art of lightsaber combat!!!!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: UberJediVK on July 08, 2005, 06:18:07 PM
wow, thank u so much for that! really important for care of my own FX... now we all have a better picture of what we have to do to take care of the blade...

ill make sure not to go outside and 'swing like a madman'.... as i was going to do BEFORE i read this...  :D


Once again, thanks so much!  :)
Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on July 08, 2005, 07:30:10 PM
Fantastic. First an MR rep answering questions on the forum and now a sword combat specialist giving us a practical guide on how to train and fight. Absolutely amazing i doubt theres a forum on the web that can touch fxsabers.com. Thanks Meridian for being so cool and sharing your experience and of course you have to thank Bigdog for starting this place.
Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: psykE on July 08, 2005, 10:52:35 PM
Wow that is very helpful so great, a post worth the time to READ :D
Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: Bigdog01 on July 08, 2005, 11:27:20 PM
Ok, due to popular demand, here are the long awaited Dueling Tutorials!

I will be making these into an "article" and posting it over on the main side, but for now, here ya go! (Warning, these are large picture files!)

Lesson 1

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/images/saber_duel/1_Defense Positions.jpg)

Lesson 2

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/images/saber_duel/2_OnGuard to Positions.jpg)





Title: Re: Duelling Tutorial with your FX's
Post by: Bigdog01 on July 08, 2005, 11:29:38 PM
Lesson 3

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/images/saber_duel/3_Fight Sequence.jpg)

Bonus 4

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/images/saber_duel/4_motion Rage of a Sith.jpg)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 28, 2005, 02:09:53 PM
Thank you Again for posting that Bigdog...
I've split this thread to make room for new questions...

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Leading on November 08, 2005, 03:30:17 PM
Cool nice tutorial.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on November 09, 2005, 02:26:54 AM
Thanks Leading ;)

This is also a permanent fixture over in the "articles"
off of the main page...
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: TVader on November 25, 2005, 01:01:34 AM
cool good post and looking out .
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: trexy on November 25, 2005, 01:06:47 AM
http://www.fx-sabers.com/saber_duel.html

here is the link for the article
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: HAN SOLO on December 13, 2005, 01:26:03 PM
Interesting tutorial, Master Yoda. BTW, you appeared to be rather short. Is this trick photography? 8)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: trexy on December 14, 2005, 08:00:08 AM
u mean his son appears to be quite tall :)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: jack3auer on December 14, 2005, 08:30:05 AM
Interesting tutorial, Master Yoda. BTW, you appeared to be rather short. Is this trick photography? 8)

what a peculiar thing to post
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: HAN SOLO on December 14, 2005, 12:48:55 PM
Interesting tutorial, Master Yoda. BTW, you appeared to be rather short. Is this trick photography? 8)

what a peculiar thing to post

Peculiar is as peculiar does.

Understandable, nevertheless, the "Real" Yoda is only 2'2".
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: jack3auer on December 14, 2005, 01:33:39 PM
i see i did not get that you were making fun of yoda the character ::)

i also really like the word peculiar
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: ani104 on December 21, 2005, 06:16:53 PM
I thought that the tutorial was great  ;).

Keep it up Yoda
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on December 21, 2005, 11:15:33 PM
Thank you for the compliments :)

This tutorial Has actually been here almost since the begining...
and it is located in the Articles off of the main page.

Basic Stage fighting technique to better your duelling skills my padawans ;D
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Sonikku on January 23, 2006, 05:33:26 PM
I read FX sabers only need to make contact lightly to get a clash, but that isn't the case with my ESB Vader.  I've been practicing dueling with a friend using my other Luke ROTJ, and while a light tap is enough to get a clash out of my Luke, the Vader stays silent when the two clash.  I really need to smack down hard to get and thing out of ol' Vader.  So much so that it defeats the purpose as I don't want to endanger it. :( Is there anything I can do to remedy this? It's kind of odd to have a duel when only one of your sabers makes a "contact" noise...
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: skizzoid on January 23, 2006, 10:52:46 PM
FXs are rather varied in their clash sensitivity; some will register hits easily, while others require a solid thwack to make a clash sound.  Over time however, the clash sound should become easier to make as the motion sensors get some use.  Also, are you making contact in the middle of the blade, or near the tip of it?
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on January 27, 2006, 12:19:22 AM
if it's real hard to engage the clash effect, try hitting the hilt a few times over and over
to break it in.
If it doesn't give better reception then you could always try exchanging it for another from MR ;)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: darthmalice on February 05, 2006, 07:25:38 PM
Nice job master Yoda . very interesting.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on February 22, 2006, 09:57:17 PM
Thankyou DM :)

Stay tuned as we will be soon bringing you all a Video with basic stage fighting choreography & instruction
to help get people wanting to layout routines and make them look as close to the movies as one can do on
a shoestring budget ;D
But I assure you it will be informative and very cool viewing 8)

Hopefully it will be ready to put up on the site in the next 2 weeks.

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: darthmalice on February 23, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
Thankyou DM :)

Stay tuned as we will be soon bringing you all a Video with basic stage fighting choreography & instruction
to help get people wanting to layout routines and make them look as close to the movies as one can do on
a shoestring budget ;D
But I assure you it will be informative and very cool viewing 8)

Hopefully it will be ready to put up on the site in the next 2 weeks.

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Your quite welcome master yoda I look forward to it  - DM
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Jedi Tauil on March 22, 2006, 03:20:43 PM
Hmm.. Very useful this is!  :P
Thank you, I will try it on sunday!
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: toos on March 31, 2006, 02:47:51 PM
Sweet Yoda! nice info there! i'll try this out!
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: darthmonkey1760 on April 22, 2006, 06:46:09 PM
very cool.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: trexy on April 24, 2006, 02:32:53 AM
this video would be great
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Shadowlynx on May 19, 2006, 10:04:45 PM
Cool tutorial, I can't say that I don't know how to duel with the fx lightsabers but it's cool to know how to spin them around like Anakin or even Obi Wan from EPI.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 25, 2006, 11:07:51 PM
Keep a watch for the DVD tutorials to be available through the store once they are completed ;)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Knuckle01 on July 26, 2006, 03:31:12 PM
CANT WAIT FOR THE VIDEO. lookin at the still pics just doesnt do it for me
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: jack3auer on July 27, 2006, 03:39:27 AM
master yoda,

will there be some sort of trailers and clips for viewing prior to buying please?

not that i doubt the quality of instruction, just for a taster so i can see if it is something i will find usefull,  i started aikido (martial art steven segal practises)  a few months ago, there are some sword movements and staff movements involved both with weapons and in the body arts and am curious if it might help / hinder my progress in aikido.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 27, 2006, 08:54:42 AM
Once I do the video, I will be making a commercial to post on youtube with tidbits of it.

What the video will consist of:

Saber basics
-parts of the saber
-different ways to hold the saber

Saber Spins
-One handed Spins
-Dual Saber Spins (2 sabers at once)
-Double Bladed Saber Spins

Dueling Basics
-types of strikes
-Strike zone rundown
-Strike and defense placement
-Zone Exercises
-Strike Zone options (different ways of using each zone)
-footwork
-basic choreography lesson

That is what I have planned and Yoda will help me add more to the Dueling part.  I might actually release 2 separate DVD's.  One for Spins only and the other for Staged Combat/dueling

Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 27, 2006, 10:49:09 PM
Yes it could be 2 different DVDs.

Much Like you stated there Anakin, because the basics and spins would do for one.
And the Choreography type for another (that can eat up a lot of time as you know)  :D

Always in motion is the future...
talk more on this we will. ;)



Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Gnosis on July 27, 2006, 10:50:40 PM
You boys do em, and I'll edit them :)

Final Cut Pro baby :)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Kyle Katarnn on July 27, 2006, 10:53:33 PM
I always knew you guys will make one, looking forward to learn  ;)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 27, 2006, 10:55:55 PM
Yes that's an Idea Count ;)

I hope Anakin has contacted you because He was wondering what Kind of Camera
to upgrade to to get better footage.

Drop Him a PM if you have any Ideas... but keep it affordable :D
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 27, 2006, 10:56:51 PM
I always knew you guys will make one, looking forward to learn  ;)

To bad you couldn't make it Boba... maybe plan on C-4 next year though ;)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Kyle Katarnn on July 27, 2006, 11:04:41 PM
I'm close to L.A. as well so I got it planned out to attend C-4.
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Gnosis on July 27, 2006, 11:07:05 PM
I eager await Anakin's PM and the Comic-con report with pics,etc :)

I'll see what I can recommend within an acceptable affordable range
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on July 27, 2006, 11:10:57 PM
The Article should be up on the main page by this weekend.
Anakin may post it in the forum sooner though
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Gnosis on July 27, 2006, 11:14:10 PM
Most excellent
I look forward to it :)

Love to see a plan come together like this :)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: jack3auer on July 28, 2006, 12:28:08 AM
this sounds great anakin,

is this in addition to the DVD that yoda was working on earlier in the year or is that scrapped now?
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 28, 2006, 08:17:59 AM
Me and Yoda talked it over and we decided for me to take over the DVD project to take some of the weight off his shoulders.

I'm going to borrow my friends digital video camera and see if I can get some decent footage for a test run.  If its good enough I will film all the parts for the video and write down how I want the cuts and such and send everything off to the Count to do the editing since he's the pro at it.

Btw Count, great job editing Yoda's fight vid.  The cuts were clean and flowed well together. 
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Gnosis on July 28, 2006, 08:40:16 AM
Thanks Anakin

when I get the new DVD together, I'll have more of a mastery of Final Cut Pro, Live Type and DVD Studio Pro
It'll be a closer as you can get to professional DVD authoring as you can get :)

Did'nt even need to rotoscope the FX's, they looked good eh?

Now, Hopefully Yoda and Sidious will post the FX-Saber Video for all to see :)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Vaders Apprentice on April 13, 2007, 02:57:07 PM
nice tutorial
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Yoda on April 14, 2007, 01:50:11 AM
Thank you 8)

I hope you find it easy to understand and informative... for more info on indepth swordfighting
in this same form used in choreography check out http://www.swordplaystudios.com/

If you buy a DVD I recommend the Mac Beth for broad sword fighting and an indepth look at the
techniques for executing your moves correctly in motion ;)

and be sure and tell them Yoda from FX-SABERS sent you 8)

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: The Abbot on July 31, 2007, 01:47:35 AM
LIGHTSABER DUELING TUTORIAL AS SHOWN BY YODA

DUELERS IN VIDEO
YODA FX-SABERS.COM AND JENZO VALARES LAJEDI.COM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnG6Ke8CrUs

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg106.imageshack.us%2Fimg106%2F1729%2F1defensepositions2zc8.jpg&hash=964952aa6395dfee8468105d9c088205adb07eb2)
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Akitoscorpio on October 23, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Excuse me for posting in a long abandoned thread, but I had to say just basically toying with this positions in the back yard with boffers (my sabers in the final stages of processing) I can kinda get a strong feel for what's going on here. Awesome Tutorial :D
Title: Re: FX-DUEL aTutorial with Pictures and instruction...
Post by: Nick Knight on August 01, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
great pictures. want to blow them up to poster size and hang on my wall.