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Title: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 12, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
Okay boys and girls here's the scoop!

Today is the day that the Overlords are going to be starting down the pipeline for Ultrasound 2.1 installation.  EVERYONE got the upgrade, even if they didn't purchase the upgrade.

I apologize for the amount of time that it took for the boards to get back into my hands.  Plus I had to take a couple of days to build a test platform saber (The Prophecy that is for sale in the TF section), and to test the boards before I install them.

To Obi-Wan Kenobi: your CF Lords are just about ready, I have some tweaking to do on them to get the calibration right, and to install some custom fonts.  Your Luke ROTJ has been here for some time, but I am working on that.  I think an MR hilt is not fitting for you, so you are getting a full blown custom made Luke V2.  Don't argue....  ::) :D

Anyway. To those of you with stunt versions.  I apologize to you as well for not getting them out the door.  I let my personal life and health get in the way of you getting your toys, and I was wrong for that. 

So in the coming week, I will be posting pictures of each finished Overlord Saber with a notification to its respective owner.

On deck RIGHT NOW:

1. Poker Jedi: Overlord, Imperial Knight, and Two Stunt repairs Will ship Thursday
2. Hullbreach: Stunt DONE, Ships *
3. Ben Trask: 2.1 DONE Will Ship *
4. Orakaa In progress Will ship *
5. Morris@rt85 1.0 Awaiting 1.0 Board arrival from Canada
6. Darth Matth 2.1 Will ship With other international orders. I have to declare it at post office.
7. Qui-Gon Jinn (Ships *)
8. Darth Doodie Preliminary Assembly Started
9. Tori Chef Preliminary Assembly Started

*Shiping has been delayed due to idiot post worker. EST sometime next week.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: The Highwayman on May 12, 2009, 01:56:30 PM
Are you being serious abotu Obi-wan getting a custom hilt? I would think not due to your schedule, but i definately want ot see pics if you do a custom!

A little Naive there Caden...

thanks QGJ, I changed it... Meesa Jar Jar Binks!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Sidneyious on May 12, 2009, 01:57:11 PM
DT I feel that your health is more important that some silly, expencive and gorgious toy, :P

Good luck, your going to need it(sorry han had to steal it.)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on May 12, 2009, 02:01:50 PM
Are you being serious abotu Luke getting a custom hilt? I would think not due to your schedule, but i definately want ot see pics if you do a custom!

A little Naive there Caden...
No,  he said Obi-wan was getting the custom Luke V2...read it again.  And I'm sure there will be pictures of it when he gets to it.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on May 12, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Custom V2?  No arguments here my man.  After all, it would be very unbecoming of a Jedi Master to argue.   ;D

But you do have a PM incoming in 3...2....1..... ;)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on May 12, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
woohoo!!  :o
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 12, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
woohoo!!  :o

Yeah I am upgrading yours to US 1.0 from the FX board.  It's only fair.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 12, 2009, 02:46:05 PM
Are you being serious abotu Obi-wan getting a custom hilt? I would think not due to your schedule, but i definately want ot see pics if you do a custom!

A little Naive there Caden...

thanks QGJ, I changed it... Meesa Jar Jar Binks!

Who are you to question my work ethic when I am feeling well? Listen here ya young whipper snapper... I can wire these boards in my sleep.  :D

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on May 12, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
woohoo!!  :o

Yeah I am upgrading yours to US 1.0 from the FX board.  It's only fair.

You're the man dude, just take care of yourself. Please.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on May 12, 2009, 03:10:01 PM
Glad you're feeling better DT. I'm looking forward to finally holding my very own Overlord.  :D
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Doodie on May 12, 2009, 03:38:31 PM
Thanks for the update DT!  8)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: wookieecrisp on May 12, 2009, 03:42:29 PM
I'm happy that your feeling better DT!

I can wire these boards in my sleep.  :D

 :D :D :D I bet you can.

Master Kenobi, you're one lucky Jedi!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Kraytt on May 12, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
 Good to know your feeling better and thanks for the update... ;D
 Take care DT
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: MKXIII on May 12, 2009, 05:08:44 PM
Wooo, this thread should come with a AoA* notice  ;)

*Awesomeness Overload Alert
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 12, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
Progress updates in first post. Photos later tonight or tomorrow afternoon
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 12, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
More Names added.  Pics will be coming tomorrow. Sorry Guys, I am just too wiped out, I have been at my post here and at outer rim since 06:00 and I need to crash.  I gotta pace myself a bit.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on May 12, 2009, 10:30:00 PM
WOHOO :)

Excellent news !!!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on May 12, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
Wow DT-man.
Are you having some angels with you helping?
I missed something, but YOUR BACK!!!
And how,... your as bussy and running as you where months ago.
Thank you for building my Overlord so fast, no kidding there.
I know it's been a year, but we also know what happend.
Your healt is bad, your on the move, and now this surprice.
I'd never expected this already.

Your making me very happy, and eh,...
We are really glad to have you back among us, I really mean that.
But again, your making long hours again and that's not good for your healt hey.
I'd say "rest and no€ stress."

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Gmar on May 13, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Thanks for update.  It's always appreciated. :)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on May 13, 2009, 07:39:42 PM


...when I am feeling well?


The best news in this whole mega update is that you are feeling well!  :)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on May 14, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
seriously, dt, the most important thing is keeping yourself healthy. don't go crazy getting these out. we've waited this long, and knowing they are on your bench or in queue is a huge step forward. i'll keep checking that list, waiting for my name to pop up. in the meantime, i'll be happy knowing they are in good hands, and the world moves on. thanks for the update
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: PokerJedi on May 14, 2009, 08:36:45 AM
Poker Jedi: Overlord, Imperial Knight, and Two Stunt repairs Will ship Thursday

To Obi-Wan Kenobi: your CF Lords are just about ready, I have some tweaking to do on them to get the calibration right, and to install some custom fonts.  Your Luke ROTJ has been here for some time, but I am working on that.  I think an MR hilt is not fitting for you, so you are getting a full blown custom made Luke V2.  Don't argue....  ::) :D
Stuff ships today!  Woo-Hoo!!! **Puts on Sinatra hat & does a happy dance**

Obi, CF 'Lords?!?! Are you kidding me?!?!?!  Add to that a custom Luke V2?!?!?!  Good Gawd- don't you have enough cool stuff already???
I have to knock off a casino just to buy more saber crap & keep up w/ you! ::)   Dammit- I fold...  {LOL!!!!!!!}


Seriously, DT, the most important thing is keeping yourself healthy. don't go crazy getting these out. we've waited this long, and knowing they are on your bench or in queue is a huge step forward. i'll keep checking that list, waiting for my name to pop up. in the meantime, i'll be happy knowing they are in good hands, and the world moves on.
I echo Reaver's sentiment... I'm happy that you're well enough to keep things progressing forward.  I sincerely hope that everyone else's order makes it thru as efficiently as possible, but please don't hurt youself in that process.

To those of you yet to be listed on this queue for shipment, I personally ask you to be as patient as I have been.  I have complete faith in Lord Tyranus; it has yet to be mis-placed, and I do not ever expect it to be...

Tim the PokerJedi
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Serafel on May 14, 2009, 09:42:05 PM
Just one quick question : If I'm not yet on the list, does it mean my turn will come later ? :p
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on May 14, 2009, 10:59:42 PM
Just one quick question : If I'm not yet on the list, does it mean my turn will come later ? :p

yes. He will list them as he puts them on the bench for installation.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Serafel on May 15, 2009, 07:39:15 AM
I'll have to admit i was a little worried, and i thought i missed something in the first post :p
Keep good health DT :)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on May 15, 2009, 07:43:09 AM
Relax guys, I am getting through them...

PokerJedi... I need to speak with you about your sabers.  The shipment is probably going to be a Saturday drop.  I ran into a small issue that is an easy fix, but I have to drive to Indy to get a part I need from Frys Electronics.

On the other hand... I have been burning the Midnight oil, The afternoon fuel, and the Morning paper...  I will get updates up later this evening.  I have to re-sort my shop a little because I am running out of boxes for shipping, and shelf space... :D
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on May 15, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
You burn whatever you need to burn, DT. As long as you don't burn yourself or anyone else in the process!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on May 15, 2009, 05:19:02 PM
Relax guys, I am getting through them...

PokerJedi... I need to speak with you about your sabers.  The shipment is probably going to be a Saturday drop.  I ran into a small issue that is an easy fix, but I have to drive to Indy to get a part I need from Frys Electronics.

On the other hand... I have been burning the Midnight oil, The afternoon fuel, and the Morning paper...  I will get updates up later this evening.  I have to re-sort my shop a little because I am running out of boxes for shipping, and shelf space... :D


i hope youre doing those shots we spoke of a couple years ago while working on them :D lol
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: PokerJedi on May 15, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
PokerJedi... I need to speak with you about your sabers.  The shipment is probably going to be a Saturday drop.  I ran into a small issue that is an easy fix, but I have to drive to Indy to get a part I need from Frys Electronics.


No pressure... get to 'em when you can

Tim the PokerJedi
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on May 25, 2009, 01:08:41 AM
Relax guys, I am getting through them...

PokerJedi... I need to speak with you about your sabers.  The shipment is probably going to be a Saturday drop.  I ran into a small issue that is an easy fix, but I have to drive to Indy to get a part I need from Frys Electronics.

On the other hand... I have been burning the Midnight oil, The afternoon fuel, and the Morning paper...  I will get updates up later this evening.  I have to re-sort my shop a little because I am running out of boxes for shipping, and shelf space... :D


i hope youre doing those shots we spoke of a couple years ago while working on them :D lol

True that it's gonna be nice to see them all together before leaving to so many different areas in the world (after all, there will never be any other Overlords being done. Might be the last time we can see so many of them altogether)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Lazer Rob on May 26, 2009, 06:45:20 PM
Glad to see you are on the mend DT!  Can I get on the list at this late date?  I have an Overlord without sound scheduled and Ultrasound 2.0 in hand.  I realise this will put me at the bottom of the list, no rush.

Lazer Rob
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on May 28, 2009, 02:28:19 AM
As DT seemed a bit tired/in need for some rest, maybe you should try to contact Jango Fett regarding this.
He does US2.1 install on overlords (and anything else as well).
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=13631.0

At first (for the overlords), the installs were being made by him and DT if I'm correct.

Hope DT's feeling well and getting some rest at last (still eager to see this "family picture" of the last overlords before they're sent to their respective places)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on May 29, 2009, 04:34:45 PM
I totally want to see pictures. I doubt we'll see a "family" shot, because I doubt DT is going to sit on completed ones until the last one is done, then shoot them all. I'm just waiting to see my name sneak onto the list, and maybe a shot of one or 2 completed hilts. I don't think we need to see a picture of each one, as they'll all look the same anyway....
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on May 29, 2009, 11:14:06 PM
I'm with you Reaver. I just wanna see my name up on the list with the words "Shipped"  next to it  ;)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on June 21, 2009, 05:56:15 AM
Any news yet?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 25, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
So what's the deal on these? Are we ever going to see them? Last time we talked in your chat room you said they were all done, boxed up and ready to ship, you were just low on shipping funds (which makes no sense since I paid you for shipping already). I also know you were given a loan to cover shipping costs from a very trusting sabersmith.  So what's the excuse this time? I get the feeling that this is going to become another Machined FX situation and is going to leave alot of people saberless and ripped off. How is it I've received 2 custom hand made sabers but it's taken you a year to screw together some MHS parts and install a soundboard? Something smells......

Ultra, this is still your responsibility since these sabers were bought through your website and you insisted the 2.1s be installed by your liaison, and people have yet to receive them. How long are we expected to put up with this?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 25, 2009, 03:23:59 PM
Ultra is aware of the situation and we are taking steps.

I am trying to get a hold of DT, so a status update can be provided.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 25, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
Hopefully Jango and Ultra can shed some light on this and fix the problem since Darth Tyranus seems to be MIA lately.

I am curious though, Has anyone from that run received their Overlord?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 25, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
The three that were sent to me for US 2.0/2.1 sound installation.

The remaining ones that were at Ultrasabers HQ were sold recently.

I acquired some leftovers from the original machinist, and those were sold
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 25, 2009, 04:57:26 PM
But no one from the original list who had their saber shipped from Ultra to ORA for build completion and sound installation? C'mon folks don't be scared speak up!!!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on June 25, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
I've emailed DT and Ultra about this numerous times to no avail. DT made many delivery promises to me over the last 6 months -- even sent me a shipping notice back in January. Several times I asked DT to just send me the hilt empty, uninstalled -- I'm waiting on a stunt version -- and several times I got more promises, left unfulfilled. And I find it really galling that Overlord overstock were sold at $300 a pop with "expediting fees" last month when the rest of us who paid for ours in August still wait. It amazes me really, b/c Ive always believed in Alex and Ultra Sabers as a solid, honorable business. And I still do, but this whole thing bums me out and mystifies me. It just doesn't seem in character with Ultra Sabers, but there you are.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Gmar on June 25, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
I am in a similar place, hullbreach.  I am also waiting for my soundless, Overlord Stunt.  We all know there are issues here, and I still believe both Ultra and DT try to run a solid, honorable business.  So we try to cut them some slack, but I think I feel the same way you do about this thing.

Except for the $300 thing.  That doesn't bother me.  The expediting fees are apparently just that.  I would have been VERY, VERY upset, if they were sold for the same price, and people received their Overlords ahead of us.  Yes, I would have preferred those Overlords go to us first, but that's life.

So . . . we wait.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 25, 2009, 06:57:53 PM
I'm waiting on a Overlord with a 2.1 install. I have emailed, PM'd and talked to DT in chat many times and have been given many different excuses and promises or been answered with out right hostility. I even asked for him to return my Overlord and 2.1 incomplete and was again met with anger and hostility and told no, he would not mail it until it was done.

I have faith that Ultra will come through and correct this, but like you Hullbreach it bums me out to have to call out a sabersmith I once looked up to. I feel enough excuses have been given and we've cut him enough slack. I know it's just a "toy", but this "toy" has me in the hole $350, and I would like to receive what I paid for.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on June 25, 2009, 09:48:39 PM
Well,  I see my name on there as having been shipped,  but screwed up by idiot postal worker...should ship next week....that was what, 2 months ago,  and still no saber for me,  either.....or the two Ani FX boards I recently paid him for that he said he'd ship in my overlord.... :-\
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Senti Xamas on June 25, 2009, 09:57:24 PM
I gave him an Anakin ROTS in trade for a luke ROTJ conversion. I have been told its ready for shipping about 2 months ago. I cant find any ROTJ Lukes for less than $250 nowadays, plus I dont want to have to replace it. I dont want to call anyone out, he did have some serious health problems. Still though, I haven't had my luke in a great while. I've offered extra money to ship it, but no replies. Its just a toy, but I paid good money for it and want to enjoy it. Some updates now and again would be greatly appreciated by all. I would hate to see a Machined Defects situation. Please DT, dont think of this as flaming by any means. We are just anxious customers looking for our items is all.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on June 25, 2009, 10:30:18 PM
I did all the graphic work for his website and forums. As payment for my service I was to be sent an Overlord. No overlord. Then he "upgraded" my saber with an Ultrasound V1. Still no saber. I offered to pay for the board when i got the saber. Glad I didn't pay, because I still don't have the saber.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on June 25, 2009, 10:42:03 PM
Let's hope DT's fine.
My Overlord was supposed to be shipped last Thursday but I guess it didn't go as planned.

I sent him a PM but didn't get an answer so far. Sure I'd like to have my saber (especially since it's ready and just need to be shipped) but this is no way near Machine Defects case.
I'm more concerned about DT's health and hope he's not in a bad condition
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 25, 2009, 10:50:34 PM
You're right Orakka. It is no where near the Machined Fx situation, Machined FX is actually sending out the sabers. I have spoken to DT recently and he himself has said he is recovered and back at work. There is no excuse as to why our stuff has not shipped.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: DARTH MAUL on June 25, 2009, 11:18:35 PM
Well I bought some stuff from DT when Qui-gon did as well and haven't recieved it. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon here though. I know we all have investments in what we've talked about here and you all have made some valid points. I'm sure everything will become clear in good time. Not having seen anything of him in the last couple weeks I'm with Orakaa just hoping he's ok.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on June 25, 2009, 11:32:08 PM
These issues well predate his illness, so that's not a valid excuse. On November 11, Derek posted in the forums that my soundless Overlord stunt was "done, ready to ship." But then in December, he posted that the Lux V orders were actually not ready, because of battery holder issues -- a contradiction that I chose to let go at the time -- so I changed my order to a Lux III to accommodate this, which he confirmed. In January, he actually sent me a USPS shipping notice, but nothing ever shipped. In March, when I inquired about it, he told me he was waiting on a shipment of buckpucks. In April, and again in May, I requested that he just send me the empty hilt. He said he would. Nothing ever shipped. Then in this thread he said, yet again, that the Overlord's were about to ship, but, YET AGAIN, they were delayed due to "idiot postal worker." See a pattern here? It's called LYING. I would not wish serious illness on my worst enemy, but none of this has anything to do with that. It's a torrent of lies and excuses.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: killphil on June 25, 2009, 11:42:46 PM
I sure hope this doesn't turn into a Jedi sabersmith/Equinox debacle like the one we had 2 or 3 years ago.

All the same signs, lack of updates, false shipping alerts and excuses are here...

I really hope this one straightens out fast, not that I have any personal stock in this, but it bodes ill for the saber community at large when these sabersmiths go MIA with our money in tow...never to be seen again.

It's already happened twice by my count.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on June 26, 2009, 12:07:03 AM
Mine should have been shipped already, I'm on the 6th place.
What's going on???

On deck RIGHT NOW:

1. Poker Jedi: Overlord, Imperial Knight, and Two Stunt repairs Will ship Thursday
2. Hullbreach: Stunt DONE, Ships *
3. Ben Trask: 2.1 DONE Will Ship *
4. Orakaa In progress Will ship *
5. Morris@rt85 1.0 Awaiting 1.0 Board arrival from Canada
6. Darth Matth 2.1 Will ship With other international orders. I have to declare it at post office.
7. Qui-Gon Jinn (Ships *)
8. Darth Doodie Preliminary Assembly Started
9. Tori Chef Preliminary Assembly Started


Look, the man is sick, I can understand that this also gives psychological problems like depression.
This can be the cause of seeing a mountain when looking at those sabers.
(I'm pretty sure that is the case, cause you've only to look at DT's amount of posts, and you can see how much he did put into this site. This community is important to him. The man has a problem.)
If that's the case, ULTRA has to step in to helphim out.
I know that DT is the person who got payed for the job, so this is playing also a part for Ultra-Sabers.
Well,... I am willing to pay again for the work to Ultra, if that ensures me of getting my Overlord.
I'm sure a lot of us think that way.

I do think this reflex on Ultra Saber cause the trust in Ultra as a solid company was for me the reason to go along with this Overlord-action back than.

I'm also curious how long DT worked for Ultra before they choose him for this job.
Could he handle this amount of work before.
If Ultra had no experience with DT, than they should not have given him that responsabillity.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 26, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
To whom it may concern,

Illness or not, enough is enough.

Darth Morbius, I wish you a speedy recovery, that being said...

If you are unable to fulfill your responsibilities then YOU NEED TO MAKE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS...

Send out these sabers...

Or send out the refunds.

I write this not as a Overlord buyer but as a Bane OWNER ( I've been paid in full for oh... 2 years now) but no saber.

And I am not alone.

Yes it's just a toy... that's not the point.

This situation is beyond absurd and needs to be rectified immediately.

Do the right thing.

-JK Logan
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: killphil on June 26, 2009, 12:44:40 AM

I write this not as a Overlord buyer but as a Bane OWNER ( I've been paid in full for oh... 2 years now) but no saber.


Are these the initial Banes that went up years ago? They still haven't been shipped?  :o

What's the holdup on these? I would've assumed those were well over and done with by now...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: CybKnight on June 26, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
I understand there is some frustrations, but maybe people should lay down the pitchforks and torches for a while.

Lets wait until Ultra or Jango has managed to talk to the man.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 26, 2009, 01:15:00 AM

I write this not as a Overlord buyer but as a Bane OWNER ( I've been paid in full for oh... 2 years now) but no saber.


Are these the initial Banes that went up years ago? They still haven't been shipped?  :o

What's the holdup on these? I would've assumed those were well over and done with by now...

Yes I am one of the original Bane buyers, and there is no reasonable explanation for why this saber is not in the hands of their owners.

And I like my pitchfork right were it is. ;D
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 26, 2009, 01:30:35 AM
I understand there is some frustrations, but maybe people should lay down the pitchforks and torches for a while.

Lets wait until Ultra or Jango has managed to talk to the man.

That is part of the problem right there. Every time someone talks to him, whether it be Jango, myself, or the mods over at ORA, we are all given different excuses which all contradict each other. You may be willing to put down your pitchfork but I am tired of empty promises and excuses. The fact that he has all these Overlords that are supposed to be done, people's soundboards, and countless Ultra sabers that have yet to be repaired and is not contacting any of the owners or returning emails or PM's, especially to those who have lent him money to help out is highly suspicious in my eyes.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 26, 2009, 01:35:38 AM
I understand there is some frustrations, but maybe people should lay down the pitchforks and torches for a while.

Lets wait until Ultra or Jango has managed to talk to the man.

That is part of the problem right there. Every time someone talks to him, whether it be Jango, myself, or the mods over at ORA, we are all given different excuses which all contradict each other. You may be willing to put down your pitchfork but I am tired of empty promises and excuses. The fact that he has all these Overlords that are supposed to be done, people's soundboards, and countless Ultra sabers that have yet to be repaired and is not contacting any of the owners or returning emails or PM's, especially to those who have lent him money to help out is highly suspicious in my eyes.

Agreed...

I would also add respectfully that the only people who have business commenting on this matter are those who are waiting on something from the person in question.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: CybKnight on June 26, 2009, 01:47:04 AM


Agreed...

I would also add respectfully that the only people who have business commenting on this matter are those who are waiting on something from the person in question.

FYI, I have payed for a Overlord, and I am waiting for it to be delivered as the rest of you...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 26, 2009, 02:12:46 AM


Agreed...

I would also add respectfully that the only people who have business commenting on this matter are those who are waiting on something from the person in question.

FYI, I have payed for a Overlord, and I am waiting for it to be delivered as the rest of you...

Then my previous statement is not for you Cyberknight. It's meant for individuals who seem to be making excuses for a situation that is inexcusable. I do not know how long you have been waiting for your Overlord. If it is as long as I have been waiting for my Bane, then you are a more patient man than I ... and I am a VERY patient man.

If you are content to continue to wait for your saber that is your choice. I myself ...as stated, have waited more than two years and that is quite long enough. There are others... like Ri-on... who share my opinion on this matter.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on June 26, 2009, 03:09:04 AM
I think we globally share the same opinion on this.
I mean, when we paid for those sabers (Bane, Overlord), it was to get them at one point or another.
2 years is really a long time (regarding the Bane) and I would probably have lost my patience waiting so long for it.

I paid for my Overlord in the last batch last year, and the idea of having to wait for a year or so would be "acceptable", as long as it is for real reasons...
I guess knowing this was all part of an Ultrasabers initiative made me trust that it would eventually arrive at my place no matter what.
Let's wait a little bit more and see how things will turn out...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 26, 2009, 06:03:44 AM
I spoke to him last night on the phone and he sounded a lot better than the last time we spoke . He has a new job. And was calm, clear and relaxed.

He is working on the OL and other projects. He stated some were shipped out.
Whose, I don't know.

I am supposed to be getting 3 to finish and ship out.
Again, whose, I don't know. When I get them I will contact their owners with an ETA. If you PM me or email me with a request to do yours, well, I'll see what I can do. Don't expect a response anytime soon.

DT does not have the Banes. The hilts are still at Ultrasabers.
All the paperwork is at his house though...  :-[   I have no more info on this. I would like to get the orders sorted soon, but IT IS A MESS. the project has been mishandled from the get go.

Ultra is aware of the situation, as I called him this evening. He knows all that I have stated here. And about the postings on the Overlord topic. We discussed some "What if" plans, that may have to be implemented, if DT ...fails.
Ultrasabers will take care of you. We always have, even if you don't get an official announcement out of it.

IMHO, Much of this could have been avoided.
And way to many bumps along the way.
We do the best we can with the crap that is thrown at us.

It's probably due to this type of  situation the Overlords were discontinued, and there may never be a forum exclusive saber again from Ultrasabers. I know for sure, that I will not take on a project of this size.

I would like to point out that the ONLY similarity between this situation and the MachDefects debacle is the Time frame.
Yes, the wait has been long there is NO denying that.
But comparing an official Ultrasabers forum exclusive being built by a Mod/liaison with over 10,000 posts, THAT GOT SICK to a Item that was posted on a blog/thread on rebelscum with no communication for months at a time, is just Wrong. And FRANKLY, PISSES ME OFF.

He has communicated when he could, Darth Real Life does get in the way.

MTFBYA, because it is sure not with me this week.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Gmar on June 26, 2009, 08:48:39 AM
Jango, thank you for that update.

I am sorry that you are pissed off here, because I am sure we all appreciate your efforts to remedy this situation.

Everyone can ask themselves hypothetically that if you were the business owner, how many updates and promises are enough to keep people waiting for months to years?  Would you, yourself, have allowed this to happen?

It is because this involves an official Ultrasabers forum exclusive being built by a Mod/liaison with over 10,000 posts, that got sick, that people have been mostly quiet on this.

Bad things unfortunately happen to good people, and there are CERTAINLY circumstances here.  However, it is NOT WRONG for a customer to ask questions and ask for a status update.  Part of the problem, is the number of times we have been told things are done, nearly done or shipped, when they apparently are not.  It leaves us questioning everything.

Whatever contingency plans you have, I hope you start implementing them, transparently, on a time frame.

I still have faith in Ultrasabers, and I think there are good people here (buyers and sellers alike).  Still, I agree with you about Ultrasabers not offering a forum exclusive anymore.  No one should bite off more than they can chew, and we all need to know when we are in over our heads, and when to ask for help.  There must be a plan.

MTFBWY  Jango.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 26, 2009, 11:10:55 AM
Thank you for the update Jango, we do appreciate it.

Gmar set a post that echoes most all of us on the customer end I think.

As for the current Bane situation... hilts in one place, paperwork...in another. This project has failed. If it were me, I would implement any contingency plan possible immediately. Bite the bullet, address damage control, and move on. Most unfortunately, this problem will more than likely result in the loss of some very loyal and long standing customers.

There are A LOT of pissed off people on this matter.

I also agree that attempting to offer a forum exclusive saber should never be done again. I say this with a great deal of sadness.

MTFBWY with you Jango, and with us all.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on June 26, 2009, 12:15:45 PM
Sadness indeed, because I still remember in what for a feasty atmosphere we all were.
It felt like a great happening, and I was so glad to be in the group of 30 lucky ones.
I had a few very happy months here on the forum because of that.

Very sad
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Raijlin on June 26, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
Don't know what the hiccup was.  When Tyranus and I ran the second release of the Overlords, it went off without a hitch.  *shrug*

A shame that there will be no forum released sabers anymore considering that Ultra touts this as HIS forum place.

Oops...there goes Vader...er Raijlin shooting his opinion off again.   ;)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on June 26, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
I have to chime in here as well. I have 2 overlords in the queue, and was really hoping to get them for a 4th of July event. OK, that isn't going to happen. I have been as patient as anyone here, and have been among the first to stand by DT in his defense, and still do, but only to an extent. To use a well known quote, I have a bad feeling about this. I, too have had heard many things about shipping dates, semi-conflicting excuses, and unfulfilled promises. I, to have asked for both of my Overlords to be sent to me without the US 2.1 installed, so I can do it myself. That request was an attempt to help get a couple off his plate, as much as it was to just have the sabers in hand. I have given him UPS shipping account numbers, so he could ship the parts at no cost. I've done everything but bring a box to his house, pack them up, and call UPS myself. I've been told they'd be sent. Still nothing.

I understand the health issues. I understand there were delays. I understand the boards took a while to get sent in and then sent back for installation. I understand the DT needs to recover. I don't see any of that as excuses, but as facts to consider. There are two major factors here:

1- I think DT just got in way too deep. Too much to do, and not enough time to do it. He does have a life, and to expect him to spend every waking hour working on sabers is ridiculous. Then he had the medical issues, and things went from bad to worse.

2 - Ultrasabers didn't step in and get it fixed. this has dragged on for this long because no one in charge said "Hmm, something's wrong, let's fix it" To wait for over a year to think of a contingency plan is not just bad business, it shows a lack of concern for the customer. Something I never figured to see coming from the people we're discussing now.

When it comes down to it, we're talking about business. Me building sabers at home, that's a hobby. Someone paying me to build them one, that's a business. Whether the business is making Pet Rocks or Plasma TVs, you still need to run it with concern for the customer. If you can't meet a timeframe, don't say you can. If one of your contractors isn't doing their job, get a new one. I, too was really excited about the progress in the community here. It felt like we were moving into a time when you could not only get sabers from someone other than Lucas, but could get an endless variety of them, in higher quality, from people you trust. I think a lot of that trust is crumbling now, and it's a sad thing. People are pulling out of the ORA forums like rats when a ship is sinking to avoid being tarnished by what's happening.

This needs to get fixed. For Ultrasabers, I say this needs to be the number one priority. It needs to be fixed, and those of us still waiting need to get CONSTANT and HONEST updates about timeframes, and where our sabers are. This sitting in the dark is going to hurt the trust factor even more. This many people, waiting for product they've paid for, being deceived (intentionally or not) about where things are and what is happening, leads down a dark path. And often to Class Action Suits.

What's happening is a shame. What happens to fix the situation is going to be what makes or breaks to future of the business, and how comfortable people are with purchasing future offerings. I'm hoping for the best, but so far...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on June 26, 2009, 04:37:13 PM
Ultra needs to step in now, and speak up. None of this speaking to his liason. Jango can't be expected to take care of this for him. Ultra has no problem with speaking up when he has a new product to make money with. How bout this time we get a word on how he's going to help the people who spent the money. I want it from HIM. Not someone else.

Jango - I know you've done more than your bid. This doesn't by any means imply that I don't trust you, or that You're not the right guy to hear it from. Your graciousness in all matters concerning Ultra have been exceptional, but this isn't your situation to handle. This falls on the shoulders of ULTRASABERS LLC. Not Roysblues/Jango Fett. I appreciate your time invested in this. I'm happy that you have brought forth at least SOME communication. But, Oz needs to come from behind the curtain and speak for himself. Not by proxy. 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on June 27, 2009, 02:22:25 AM
Is Ultra knowing about this topic?
I did send him my post from here.
To make sure he's enable's this one, I shall send him a link of this topic as well.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 27, 2009, 03:18:28 AM

Ultra is aware of the situation, as I called him this evening. He knows all that I have stated here. And about the postings on the Overlord topic. We discussed some "What if" plans, that may have to be implemented, if DT ...fails.
Ultrasabers will take care of you. We always have, even if you don't get an official announcement out of it.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Lee-Ahm Jinn on June 27, 2009, 10:40:05 AM
Firstly, I must say that I feel sorry for the extremely long wait for these sabers. I do not want to make little of that wait. And I feel for Derek, nobody would choose to be in the position that he finds himself in today, any portion or facet of that position.


I have come onboard at the tail of this, and it has been like watching a fallen skier tumble down a slope. You hope that he can right himself, but you are powerless to help him.

I have offered (and still do) to have Derek just send me everything in a box(s) and that I would find some way to suss it all out. (Derek lives in Indiana and we are in Arizona)
 I am sure that it would be a huge burden lifted from him.

Ultra has been in contact with Derek, and has been assured that a plan was implemented to get these done and out. We all understand that this will take time. Ultra is showing great faith in Derek to complete the task.

Bear in mind that Derek is/was a liaison on the forums, not an Ultrasabers employee. He was an established sabersmith who offered to build these sabers for us all. In sending the sabers to Derek, they were sent to Outer Rim Armory, not to Ultrasabers.
The sad truth is that we have zero control of O.U.R., or what they do.

This situation is just one of the reasons that I started the Singles Sale section, all of those sabers are ready now, no year long wait.
 
I understand that sometimes there are sabers that could be made, but the finances are not available to develop it. Those funds are derived from preorders. Then if anything goes pear shaped, it can become an epic problem. That is the risk involved to have a saber that would never have been available otherwise.
We are currently in the middle of the forest, albeit a very epically deep forest. We will emerge on the other side. Then this all will simply be a lesson learned for the next saber.   


We really have come a long way from spray painting an old broom handle ( like I did as a teen in the ‘70s) to where we can make sabers that not only are on the level of the ones in the movies, but sometimes are superior to them.


S.I.Y.
Be seeing you.
Liam

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Raijlin on June 27, 2009, 12:04:19 PM
No offense Liam, but throwiing Derek under the bus by saying that he isn't an Ultrasabers employee is just plain wrong.

Please, don't try to offend the intellect of some of the people on this forum by stating things that are not true.  He may not have been working IN Arizona, but he was just as much under the employ as any of your other sabersmiths there.

I'm not making excuses for my friend, as he will answer for what is accountable on HIS shoulders.

However, I wouldn't want to see your company trying to deflect this whole debacle on him when in reality at any time Alex and company could have stepped in and did some triage.

Also, in regards to the Bane situation, I am well aware of that whole fiasco as I was informed of much of it, and the fact that Derek was trying to fix that whole FUBAR SITUATION that Ultrasabers and DarkSide Customs had found themselves in.  The fact that the paperwork is in his hands while the hardware is at another place doesn't surprise me.

Especially considering that Derek was trying to get a TRUE ACCOUNT of who was on the Bane list because of the piss-poor accountability in paperwork that was done before.

Like I said...I'm not excusing my friend....but the PARENT COMPANY, whether it is a direct employee in Arizona or a subcontractor in Indiana, IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their products. 

I find part of that last post totally abhoring in the attempts to deflect blame from Ultrasabers LLC.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Lee-Ahm Jinn on June 27, 2009, 12:21:57 PM
Darth Raijlin - and everyone else,
Please do not misunderstand my statements. They are to clarify for the people who do not understand that Derek is not here in AZ, and we cannot physically check on their orders, nor pull the parts and just send them to the customer.
I am constantly getting requests for information that only Derek could provide. They must understand that we have no control over Derek, that he has decided to finish the sabers by himself, therefore we must wait till he can do so.
Derek is not an employee, he is a colleague and  a business owner. He is much more than an empolyee.
Anyone who has dealt with Alex knows that he makes thing right. He feels horrible that the wait has been so long, and has been assured by Derek that all will be handled now.
Again, my request still stands that Derek send me anything and we sort it out here. I know that he has more than enough to deal with now. If he refuses help, what can we do?
.
Liam
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on June 27, 2009, 01:06:41 PM
Derek, I say this not only as a customer who's waiting on two Overlords (along with a few other items), but also as a person who's stunned to see things unfolding in such a manner.  For the sake of yourself and everyone waiting on various items, there must be some kind of expeditious change. 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: GMLumpy on June 28, 2009, 07:03:16 PM
ok officially I am not waiting on an Overlord but I am waiting on a few things from Derek, so I feel like I can comment here. 

1st Derek has had a great reputation with pretty much everyone on these forums. the fact that something this bad has happened is a sign that something is seriously wrong! (meaning with him).  I don't know the details of his health stuff but from what I am hearing he has had a long string of really really bad luck...

but I think through all of this he knew he had friends here, and I hope that helped him get through it.... but then all of this happens and you guys are so fast to turn on him... it saddens me deeply. guys I understand you are angry, but wait until you know what is going on 1st... he had some major health issues and then got robbed and a few other things earlier and he wasn't around then. if he is MIA again I THINK something is wrong again! I am shocked you guys jumped right to he is scamming us.  it breaks my heart to hear (read) you guys say such things.  I for one am praying hard for him and family, and I hope everything is ok...

it also saddens me to hear that Ultra will never do a forums exclusive run again... I was looking forward to another one since I missed this one... oh well maybe he will change his mind.

you may now start yelling at me if you so desire...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Sparhawk on June 28, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
After a long thoughtful read, I don't think anyone here is jumping down DT's throat, what we have here is simple. Simple frustration. Everyone here waiting is patient, everyone here understands, and knows about DT's health problems. To me this is quite frankly blowing off steam. Steam,that for one reason or another has been building for two years. From what i'm reading, the majority of people here know and understand the problems inherent with their projects. At the same time, those selling, building, or working on said projects KNOW it's been just over TWO YEARS. But we can all agree, and the option has ever been out there for those that did not wish to wait before, Ultra WILL make it worth the wait.  I write as one who's lost two expensive sabers, and waiting on one. I myself have faith that our collective patience will, and soon, be rewarded. SO reach deep, my people, for that last vestige of patience. We've made it to the horizon, and the sun rises soon.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on June 29, 2009, 10:34:19 AM
I agree and disagree with Sparhawk. Mostly this IS a blowing off of steam, but it's also more than that. Usually, blowing off steam is just that - blowing off excess pressure, then calming down. I don't think most of us in the middle of this SNAFU are going to calm down until it is resolved. We're certainly not going to settle down and wait for another year or two. Mostly, what I see is that people just want some sort of word from Ultra. We want to know that something is happening, that we're not in limbo like we've been for so long. We want some open communication. I think that would go a long way toward calming down the masses.

I still have faith in Ultra and Ultrasabers. They have always made things right in the past when there have been issues. They're not always the best with communication, though, and that's really what is needed here. I don't need to know things are in the mail (as much as I'd love to hear that), I just want to know what's going on, and how things are being fixed. A little honesty will do wonders in a situation like this...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on June 29, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
We are currently in the middle of the forest, albeit a very epically deep forest. We will emerge on the other side. Then this all will simply be a lesson learned for the next saber.

...and this my friends is the lesson I plan to learn. The following is not a statement on what anyone else should do, but more of a reaffirment of what I plan to do.

I've dealt with my fair share of people on the forum and guild members as well and mostly it's been a pleasant experience, but there have been the occasional hiccups (and let's face it...they happen). However, because of the increasing amount of situations that have arisen such as this one, I'm really not planning on doing much of any business in the future outside of Ebay auctions, and the occasional commision. Let me reiterate: that's just me, because the days of paying in full for a product and potentially not seeing said product for months on end are over. Once all my outstanding "orders" if you will, are taken care of, (like for example say, the US2.1 or .2 or whatever they are now) that's it. Don't get me wrong, in most instances I knew what kind of waiting would be needed and it's my own "fault" for lack of a better word, that I ended up in certain positions. I just can't leave hundreds of dollars spread out everywhere with no product to show for it.

So in closing, I'm not really trying to lay blame on anyone as much as I'm trying to do the right thing and look out for my own finances. The saying goes "if you can't take the heat...get out of the kitchen" well, I'm headed for the deck with an ice cold one. :D
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on June 29, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
I hear ya, Shadeslinger. The point a lot of us have reached now is a sad one. Where once there was trust and faith in our community, there is now doubt and trepidation. One or two issues like this are enough to shake the foundation of trust built over years of quality products and service. I need to restate my belief that Ultra is doing his best to fix this, and my hope that he'll get it worked out soon, but the point where I personally would send money and parts to people for work or modification on nothing but a smile and a handshake (figuratively speaking), are gone. The only bright side is that it forces me to decide - if I continue with this as a hobby, I need to learn to do everything myself. Which I have no problem with. I just feel bad for some of the new people coming in now. They enter a community more guarded and paranoid than the one I came into when I first started. And no more exclusives from Ultra is just another loss for them. If my Overlords ever arrive, I think I'll put them behind glass, knowing they are the last relics of a time gone by...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Master Jedye on June 29, 2009, 03:09:09 PM
Guys, you're in a tough situation.  You feel jaded, like you weren't told the whole story or you've been given the runaround or you were just flat out lied too.  And I wish I had some great news to tell....but I don't.  What I can you is that I'm sure things are happening behind the scenes and that you're best interest is A LOT of peoples proirity....even if it doesn't feel like it now.

The recent problems (Starkillers included) would make anyone question sellers motives.   I watch this thread everyday, hoping that the right thing is done as this is another blemish on the saber community and I'm sure a few others feel the same way.

All I can say is, I hope, Reaver....that your views on this community can be salvaged. 

To GMLUmpy, respectfully....about your comment about how "quickly people turn".  Really?  Quickly?   Do you know how long this has gone on?  And if so, what is your acceptable timeframe for which people can start inquiring about there merchandise?  I believe, Sir, these wounds are running pretty deep so to insinuate that, at the drop of a hat, people would start "claiming scam"....well, that's just isn't the case. 

Hang in there guys.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on June 29, 2009, 07:52:22 PM
all i have to say is this

we need an update from derek or alex, they both know how people are feeling right now and need to communicate with us

i have been waiting for my overlord too, and i lost patience awhile ago, right now yeah i hope derek is doing ok and i think hes a cool guy but still this is a business, any other company, if their customers were waiting for a product/service that they already paid for, do you really think that they would be like oh ok after 1-2 years of waiting.... if the company says oh yeah our tech is sick you must wait another year.. no i dont think so

anyways im not complaining to derek etc but either him or alex should post some kid of update since both of them know whats going on  on the forums now with people complaining and wanting an update etc

also jango did you get my PM about my shipping address update?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on June 29, 2009, 11:27:41 PM
Honestly, I don't care how many posts DT has. Actions speak louder than post counts, and as of late his actions are despicable. It has been over a month since this thread has been updated and every time someone talks to him the story changes. Ultra has emailed me and stated he was working on them, Jango has said the same thing. When I talked to him 3 weeks ago he said they were done and ready to ship. So, which is it? I also don't care if comparing him to Machined FX pisses any one off. Fact is Machined FX has shipped out far more Starkillers than DT has Overlords in less than a year. I think I speak for everyone when I say I want answers not excuses. The fact he was signed in last Thursday and didn't bother posting in this thread or giving any kind of update is somewhat questionable.

 We all know Darth Real Life gets in the way and I can forgive for that. But there is a point in time where if you can't produce the services you were paid to do then either send them back to their owners or to someone else who can help out.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Ultra on June 30, 2009, 01:54:29 PM
I really only have one thing to say to those still waiting on the last run of OverLords:

You can count on me to make things right just like you always have.  If I need to, I will drop everything and make an entire new run of Overlords just for you.  If you don't want one anymore, I'll refund your money. Simple as that.

I'm really hoping it won't come to that. We heard from Derek just last week and he said he's building the sabers and shipping them out. I trust him.

But whatever happens, you can always trust in me and my company.  We've always held up our end of the deal and we'll make sure this deal is upheld as well.  We're not washing our hands of this in any way. We're just asking for a little more time to sort out the builds.  Thanks.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on June 30, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Personally, that's all I needed to hear. I trust you and your business, Ultra, and I will continue to shop with you and look forward to more great products, whether that's limited forum items or the upcoming series of Hasbro Obi TPM and Dooku UltraFX conversions  8) I was more angry at Derek than anything else because I feel that he has lied to me repeatedly, disrespected me repeatedly, and has not behaved as the man I originality thought him to be. So that was my gripe and I'm done with it. Thanks.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on June 30, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
I'm with Hullbreach on this one. My faith may not be where it once was, but communication goes a long way towards easing minds. Not completely all the way, mind you, especially considering that A) we've heard things were being completed and shipped before... and B) there's no mention of any kind of timeframe yet. I don't need to know what day and time they'll be done, I'd just like to know if we're looking at days? Weeks? Months?

In any case, thanks for speaking up Ultra. It's good to hear a little reassurance from the only voice I really needed to hear. Cautious optimism is coming back...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Ultra on June 30, 2009, 09:36:33 PM
When I get a time frame, I'll let yall know.  The most immediate concern is that your investments in these Overlords are protected, and that's what I want to reassure everyone of.  In the next couple of days I should have more information for everyone.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on June 30, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
Thank you, I'm glad to hear from you also.
I needed that.
I don't like to be left in the dark.
(No Overlord to light it up you now.)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: DerFrownmacher on July 01, 2009, 06:13:23 PM
Came back from Northern Wind to see all this, glad to see somethings being done.

It has been literally years since I first signed on to receive an Overlord, and when I saw my name on the 'Ships' list I was overjoyed. The lack of updates between then (late May) and now has been the most alarming aspect for me, as I saw that shipping was delayed 'a week' due to a postal worker and had begun to fear my saber was lost. That said, I have utter confidence in Ultrasabers to deliver a quality product, even if it takes time to make that possible. So I continued to wait.

When I signed on I knew the OverLord was going to be a long term project. I accepted this. While it has taken far longer than I thought (the credit card I used to pay for the original has since expired, I live in a different home, and attend a different college) I continue to have faith in my investment paying off in the end. That is the Ultrasabers way, and from the looks of it that won't change anytime soon.

Thank you for the update Ultra.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jaden Korr on July 08, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
This topic will be re-opened.

However, for the sake of all parties involved, as well as for the situation itself, please refrain from posting unless you are directly involved with the issue at hand. Those with no knowledge of the stated situation have no business of commenting on either party.

Lets do our best to keep things civil.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 08, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
Pm sent.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 08, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
Just curious to see if anyone has received their Overlord yet. On the 30th, Ultra said the following:

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We heard from Derek just last week and he said he's building the sabers and shipping them out.

I'm trying to be hopeful, but if Ultra posted that on the 30th, and he was told that the week prior, we're looking at the 26th at the latest? Has anyone received a shipment or a notice of shipment at this point? You'd think in almost 3 weeks, one or two would have gone out... Come on, people, give me some good news!

::I'm not holding my breath, though...::
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: DerFrownmacher on July 08, 2009, 10:27:30 PM
Mine was on the completed list, and I haven't seen it.

Then again, it could be drifting through the collection of Cul-De-Sacs the post office insists I live inside. Sigh.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on July 15, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Any news on this yet? It's been a week since DT's "update" and I have yet to hear of any tracking numbers going out. Looks like I won't be taking my Overlord to Comic-Con......again..... :-\

I find it odd not ONE Overlord has shipped out....especially the ones without sound. It's not like they are being built from scratch. It should not be taking nearly this long to get these out the door, even with the "personal and financial issues".  The whole situation is ridiculous and smells funny.  >:(

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 15, 2009, 09:00:32 PM
I think most of us would agree, Ri-on. I find Ultra's faith and trust admirable, and I have no doubt that things are happening behind the scenes, but I do feel the same way as you. It has been 3 weeks since Ultra heard that they were being completed and shipped out. So far, I haven't heard of a single one being in anyone's hands, or even being notified of shipping. And no update from Ultra, which leads me to believe there is either a) no news (which means nothing is done yet) or b) no good news, which could be even worse.

Again, I applaud Ultra's faith (misplaced as I'm starting to believe it is), and I do understand the situation is far from ideal, but I'm starting to lose faith that anything is going to ever get done. DT commented in his update about how he has been turned off of the whole star wars thing because of this. While I'm nowhere near his level, I can say these are the last custom sabers I'll be buying for a long, long time...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on July 16, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Well after being thrown under a bus... I am glad to report that the jerks like (name removed) will be receiving some nifty things...

As for anyone else... I am just doing what I can as I can.  We just had some nice letters from an attorney pop up, we are losing our house.  All because we can't make the payments because my medical bills have drained us. 

And a few Overlords HAVE shipped moron.  Kinda hard to find time to build a toy when I am talking to law dogs, and begging the finance company to settle with us so that we are not out on the street in July.

But what do you guys care?  As long as you have your expletive removed by moderator toys that is all that matters.

Want to talk about misplaced faith?  How about faith in someone that NEVER answers your calls?  Even when you give them the number OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Mods please Lock...

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 16, 2009, 04:43:52 PM
Calling names is not helping.

Can you put the remaining sabers in a box with their orders, parts and soundboards and ship them too me for assembly.

I will sort and parcel the rest of the run out to the sabersmiths that have offered to help finish  the run and ship them out.

I also need the the Bane paperwork as well.

250.00 dollars is an investment more than it is a toy.

This thread stays open.

Ultra will send you a PDF address label, if you contact him.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on July 16, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
Wow, name calling....I hope you don't talk to your attorney the way you talk to your clients.

Unfortunately, the world does not revolve around you and your "whoa is me" stories. A lot of people are having financial issues, but you don't see them spilling them all over public forums. A lot of people paid a lot of money for these "toys" and in these tough times I can see them wanting them and asking where they are, especially when they've taken you so long to complete.

Honestly, I don't care what your excuses are anymore and yea, I'm an insensitive jerk. But look at it from my point of view. You have my money, my soundboard and my saber. I asked you months ago just to send me my saber and my soundboard without completing the installation and you threw one of your infamous temper tantrums. Grow up, and ship out my stuff, it's been long enough.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Master Jedye on July 16, 2009, 11:43:10 PM
Well after being thrown under a bus... I am glad to report that the jerks like (name removed) will be receiving some nifty things...


You mean the "jerks" that PAID for a product AND for shipping?  THOSE "jerks"?  Speaking of....where is that shipping money? 

You talk of cowards and people "turn-coating"....but I invited you to our chat room for you to address these people and speak to them one on one....in an effort to keep this away from the forums and save what little bit of dignity you still had.....you have YET to appear. 

And a few Overlords HAVE shipped moron. 

More name calling?  Sinking to a new low....desperate people do desperate things, I suppose.  Good luck!

AMAZING that just two short months ago....I would have defended you to the end....as a friend and a fellow sabersmith.  But then this????  I looked up to you....alot of us did.  And then you post this (along with your last useless post)....way to "lead by example". 

You come here to give these "updates" but can't help to take a few jabs at the same time, can you?  I think most of us would rather you just ship off the sabers so someone else (MORE STABLE) can complete them.  Or have not enough of us pleaded with you to do just that?

Your situation is unique....no doubt.  But are you REALLY going to blame the saber community for WANTING the products that they paid for?  No need to answer that....since you already have. 

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Aluke123 on July 16, 2009, 11:54:02 PM

Your situation is unique....no doubt. 


I disagree. Who remembers Jedi Saber Smith AKA Equinox? I'd call these situations pretty similar.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on July 17, 2009, 04:10:28 AM
Just as a reminder guys, let's please try to keep it civil.  This is a very sensitive issue and I am proud of you for keeping your replies within forum guidelines.

Like Jango said it has not been locked down yet.  Let's try to keep it open to allow it to be a form of communication.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 17, 2009, 06:04:07 AM
The only thing that's missing is the ever famous "should I stay a member of this forum" poll. ::)

Anyway,

Can you put the remaining sabers in a box with their orders, parts and soundboards and ship them too me for assembly.

I will sort and parcel the rest of the run out to the sabersmiths that have offered to help finish  the run and ship them out.

That's generous of you Jango, and if this becomes a reality be sure to post here and let us know(as I'm sure you would anyway). I didn't get an overlord, but I did buy the ancient saber(elder w/ sound) like.....4 months ago. I don't mind being patient, but given the extent of the situation something needs to be done. :-\
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 17, 2009, 06:15:47 AM
To be clear. I am only going to finish the Overlord run and sort out the Bane list.
Possibly some E series repairs that DT has.

My main responsibility is to the Ultrasabers clients.

If he sends it or any other saber to me, I will contact the client and try to work something out.
The Overlords and Banes take priority.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 17, 2009, 08:02:20 AM
This is very generous of you Jango. I am not holding my breath that it will happen, but the offer is generous, and it would at least reassure those of us waiting for the overlords that they would actually be worked on. I, like many others, asked to have the sabers and boards (I have 2 ordered, as well as 2 US 2 to be installed) shipped to me incomplete, even went to far as to offer to give my UPS account number so I could pay for shipping. Nothing. I'm beginning to wonder if these sabers actually exist...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 17, 2009, 08:18:13 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if these sabers actually exist...
Do you mean the hilts themselves? here's a pic.
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi157.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft45%2FDarthMorbius1977%2FOuter%2520Rim%2520Armory%2FDSCN2132.jpg&hash=85fe1e049e6f475cfdfcd459cc4ceed0) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t45/DarthMorbius1977/Outer%20Rim%20Armory/DSCN2132.jpg)

While there are some problems going on, this is not the elaborate conspiracy scam your post seems to imply.

Keep it civil or this will be locked.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 17, 2009, 08:23:31 AM
To be clear. I am only going to finish the Overlord run and sort out the Bane list.
Possibly some E series repairs that DT has.

My main responsibility is to the Ultrasabers clients.

If he sends it or any other saber to me, I will contact the client and try to work something out.
The Overlords and Banes take priority.


Noted. Thanks for the clarify. :)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on July 17, 2009, 11:55:57 AM
This entire situation makes me feel sad for DT and everyone involved.

We who are customers deserve what we've paid for.

Personally I'm waiting patiently for my Overlord w Ultrasound and 3 Imperial Knight pommels DT was to ship along with it.

Yes that may be 'toys' but it also represents almost 400 bucks which to someone poor as I am is not a trivial purchase.

I do believe they will come in time...I agree with Jango "While there are some problems going on, this is not the elaborate conspiracy scam" and think its very unfortunate for our shared hobby that comparisons have been made with other negative situations in the past...every person and situation is unique and I don't think we should equate this one with those...one thing I keep in mind is Ultra has stood up and said things WILL be taken care of...I trust Ultra unequivocally.

I still hope and pray for all the best for DT and his family.

I feel I should have compassion and that includes for their financial issues...but I also was raised to believe that personal financial difficulties, even as bad as described, are no excuse for not delivering on business commitments...personal is personal, business is business.

Health issues are different however...none of us can perform more than what our physical and mental health allows.

From what has been described on these forums DT has suffered a grave brain injury from a large lesion.

I'm not sure everyone understands that that is NOT the same as an ordinary "illness".

I have a friend who suffered a brain injury...before she was the kindest meekest most inoffensive person...afterwards she sometimes flies into violent uncontrollable rages through no fault of her own...her brain injury has changed her behaviour but she is still a good person...usually still her mild self...but she struggles daily with mental issues and the people around her have to be extra understanding.

I say that not to make 'excuses' for this situation but to point out that a brain injury is not like an infection "illness" that is fought off and the person gets back to 'normal' afterwards...it can leave long lasting personality changes...I hope DT recovers FULLY and SOON for his own and his family's sake...and I know that his injury does not make him a 'bad person'.

I have to have compassion for that...brain injury could happen to any of us, and we would have to hope people would be understanding towards us in such a situation...so what kind of a human being would I be if I wasn't understanding of his?

So I will wait patiently hoping DT can find a way to TCB and if he is disabled from doing so that others will step in, trusting it WILL be made right ultimately as Ultra says...and I will not let this dampen my enthusiasm for our hobby.

but it remains that we who are customers deserve what we've paid for.

And this entire situation makes me feel sad for DT and everyone involved.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 17, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
My apologies, Jango. I did not for a moment mean to imply that the sabers themselves didn't exist, or that you or Ultrasabers in general were trying to pull an elaborate scam. If it sounded that way, I honestly apologize. I was only trying, in a semi-humorous way, to state that it seems like with the constant calls by people to just ship their unfinished sabers (and pay for shipping, in some cases), and the ongoing refusals, it seems like the sabers he had might have vanished. I'm sorry for the confusion, and any offense taken at my misguided attempt at humour.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 18, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
To be clear. I am only going to finish the Overlord run and sort out the Bane list.
Possibly some E series repairs that DT has.

My main responsibility is to the Ultrasabers clients.

If he sends it or any other saber to me, I will contact the client and try to work something out.
The Overlords and Banes take priority.


Guys, you are going to have to give me a break here.
I'm getting so many PM's about sabers and parts that DT has, that my own client builds are starting to get bogged down.
I finished ONE repair today and packed some orders up. Normally, Saturdays are a 3 sabers a day for me. The rest of my time was spent answering PMs and emails. There are PMs still unanswered in my inbox.

To repeat myself.

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If he sends it or any other saber to me, I will contact the client and try to work something out.

I will NOT call/email him for your build. Period.
If this sounds harsh or Out of line to you, I apologize.

I don't know what he is sending or if he is sending me anything.
I'm in FL. He's in Indiana.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on July 20, 2009, 04:19:02 PM
nevermind i didnt realize people posted on this before i did in the last few days, hopefully jango can sort this out and ultra can lend a hand

derek, i still like you, hope you get your stuff together and things go right for you eventually, i myself am having financial issues like losing my job a month ago, close to losing my car and home, and my family is out of my life now so im all alone

hopefully i can get some sort of happiness from having my overlord which i have been waiting for, yeah it sounds lame but i fell in love with this thing when i saw it up close at my friends place (he is the one who designed it and had todd help him make it a reality a few years ago)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: DerFrownmacher on July 20, 2009, 11:30:51 PM
I would like to second Onli-Won's sentiment. A lot of people are under a lot of stress here. Let's keep things smooth so that some actual useful communication can get through and everything can get worked out.

If there's anything we the customers can do to better facilitate the process I would ask the sabersmiths to tell us.

Otherwise, as a fellow Overlord to-be-owner, I would advise we hold back on the communications barrage. It will only delay things further.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 21, 2009, 05:53:39 AM
^^No. There has been no communication except excuses and name calling. That's the problem. I don't even care about the saber, it's the principle of the matter now. "I'll get it done when I get it done" business mentality is not a good one. Glad my mechanic doesn't think along the same lines. :-\
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 21, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
actually, there has been other communication. On more than one occasion, in this very thread, we have been told that these have started to ship. That they were getting done and going out. I've still yet to hear anyone come online and say they received theirs. We have very little communication, and what communication we DO have seems to be less than accurate. So "useful" communication has yet to happen. Until I hear that someone has received theirs, or that Jango or Ultra has received the sabers and will do the builds themselves, there isn't a whole lot of communication I'll have faith in...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darth_call on July 22, 2009, 07:34:46 AM
I have just finished removing post(s) from people who have no dealings with the OverLord run, even though it has been asked that this not hapen.


This topic will be re-opened.

However, for the sake of all parties involved, as well as for the situation itself, please refrain from posting unless you are directly involved with the issue at hand. Those with no knowledge of the stated situation have no business of commenting on either party.

Lets do our best to keep things civil.

Here is the link for Master Dyas' post as well:
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17776.msg286512#msg286512


Now, .....I'm sure all 3000+ members would love to express their rant in a 7 paragraph post and offer their support and opinions. This thread is not for that. It is for informational purposes and a form of contact for the Customers who have yet to receive their PURCHASED items.


Do NOT post in THIS thread if you have no dealings with the Overlord run, OverLord Hilt, soundboards, etc, etc.
Tensions are high, stress is high, please respect the people waiting on their merchandise and not clutter up this topic.


(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi528.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd328%2Fdarth_call%2Fmotivate%2F1242586643887.jpg&hash=1956ece2435934fda53c1fabe5ed1485)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 25, 2009, 10:16:18 PM
Thanks Chewbacca. It's always good to know we're being monitored by Komodo Dragons. lol

Did I just see a tumbleweed blow through this thread?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on July 27, 2009, 09:15:49 PM
so do we know whats going on yet? is derek working on this or is jango or ultra?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 27, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
I think we're just trying to be patient. At this point, I haven't heard that either Jango or Ultra has taken ownership of the sabers, so I'm guessing they are still with Derek. I'd love some confirmation of that, if Derek or Ultra tune in to this thread any time in the near future.

To be honest, I'm about to write off the whole thing. If Derek has them, and won't send them to us unassembled, or to Ultra or Jango for completion, we're just out of luck. Unless someone is planning to physically go visit Derek, which is unlikely, and if there's no movement on his end, I don't see anything that can be done. I don't mind the wait (well, I do sort of mind the wait being this long), but it is the silence that's the death knell in my opinion. No one is saying anything, which means we're probably at a stalemate. No winners on either side. To quote Morrissey "When you say it's gonna happen "now", well, when exactly do you mean? See, i've already waited too long, and all my hope is gone" My hope isn't completely gone just yet, but it's darn close.

Well, the idea was fun, at least.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 28, 2009, 08:45:08 AM
Well I was gonna write my saber off as a loss, just so I could get my unfinished business with a few other members sorted and done. I'm going to try more of a TCSS approach to my saber hobby, as in, do-it-yourself. However, seeing that the US upgrade boards are part of some business deals and those will be delayed for another half year, I guess waiting is all there is to do. But, I'm sure not gonna do it quietly anymore.

So, Derek what's the status?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 28, 2009, 09:37:41 AM
I think asking Derek for an update is pointless at this juncture. I think he's done answering, and frankly, I don't think we'll ever see these sabers. How many times have we heard they were shipping? How many have been told theirs was actually shipped already? How many times do we need to hear contradicting stories before we finally realize that none of them were true? I think these sabers are gone? And I think Derek is done with the entire community, so I wouldn't hold your breath for an update there.

My main issue is the lack of communication from Ultra. It's great that Jango is stepping in and trying to keep things calm, but I'd think the owner of the business would take a little more interest in the situation. Communicate more with those of us feeling like we're left out in the cold on this. If it were my business, this would be priority one. This many people, feeling screwed by what is ultimately his company. Yeah, I'd be posting and communicating daily. I'd be flying out to physically take the sabers back, if they still exist. The silence on all fronts makes me conclude two things: the sabers are gone, and no one cares. That might not be the case, but it's how it feels on this side of the fence.

How many of us are there waiting for these sabers? Anyone care to chime in, so we can have a list going? I know I have two I'm waiting for..
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on July 28, 2009, 10:17:41 AM
As Ultra came out and gave us a strong assurance on June 30, I'm taking that at face value and giving him two solid months from that time -- until August 30 -- to issue a *definitive* stated resolution: Either A) I'm making new OLs for you guys, to be delivered on such a date, or B) Really sorry guys, I tried to recoup this stolen product but it's not looking good, so at this point I gotta give you a full refund and I'll try to make it up to you some other way b/c you're all valued customers and I stand by my business etc etc etc. As I think Ultra was as screwed as we were -- actually more so, when you think about it; Ultra gave the guy a job and this is how he's been repaid -- I don't have a problem with giving him that 2 month leeway to sort this junk out. But if it gets into September and we're all still just spinning our wheels in this tired thread, I'll be insisting on a full refund, which is the last thing that I want but I'm not about to take a loss on this -- as I know none of you guys are -- and I think that's well understood by all parties.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Orakaa on July 28, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
I've been screwed on the "Machinedefect Starkiller" and lost my money for good... and believe me if I ever go in the US in the next few years, I'll definitely go pay this guy a visit he'll remeber for a long time... but this is a different story

Indeed, this IS a different story. Derek/Darth Tyrannus obviously had issues, and didn't handle them as he should/could have... but he's been there as a trusted and valued member/moderator, etc. for a LONG time... And ULTRA's behind, watching this case.
I'm not saying I'm not deeply annoyed by what's going on nor that Derek hasn't screwed things up on this... but I accept the fact that, whatever happend and due to the geographical distance between Derek and Ultra/jango, etc. this problem couldn't get a clear answer in a matter of a couple of weeks

On my part, I wait for an update by ULTRA (or Jango, or whoever), to see how things turn out, and as I still trust Ultrasabers, I have faith in a real solution to get our sabers.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on July 28, 2009, 11:14:52 AM
... and believe me if I ever go in the US in the next few years, I'll definitely go pay this guy a visit he'll remeber for a long time... but this is a different story

 :o Oooo not zen, you'll have to tell us that story some time  :D
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on July 28, 2009, 11:22:18 AM
I really only have one thing to say to those still waiting on the last run of OverLords:

You can count on me to make things right just like you always have.  If I need to, I will drop everything and make an entire new run of Overlords just for you.  If you don't want one anymore, I'll refund your money. Simple as that.

I'm really hoping it won't come to that. We heard from Derek just last week and he said he's building the sabers and shipping them out. I trust him.

But whatever happens, you can always trust in me and my company.  We've always held up our end of the deal and we'll make sure this deal is upheld as well.  We're not washing our hands of this in any way. We're just asking for a little more time to sort out the builds.  Thanks.

I am not part of the run but in an effort to keep this thread on track and civil I thought a repost of Ultra's last post is in order.  A bump if you will.

"You can count on me to make things right just like you always have.  If I need to, I will drop everything and make an entire new run of Overlords just for you.  If you don't want one anymore, I'll refund your money. Simple as that."

In the more than two years I have been a part of this site this is one of the truest statements I have witnessed.  I'm not saying it won't take time to straighten out.  I am saying Alex' word is just that.  His word.  He's true to it.

"We heard from Derek just last week and he said he's building the sabers and shipping them out. I trust him."

That statement was about a month ago.  Not one person has come forward yet saying they 1. got their saber or 2. got a box full of parts.  Alex is being strung along with the rest of you on this.  This may very well be the reason for the delay.  Any void of communication most likely means he has no information yet.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on July 28, 2009, 11:27:05 AM
Yeah not to restate, but I totally agree with Luke.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on July 28, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
Don't forget what Ultra's stress level is on this.  You all are out a saber or two each.  Alex is out the entire Overlord run AND the US2.0's to go with it.  We're talking some serious money there just in parts.  For all parties interested the best outcome is to reacquire the sabers vs starting a new run.

Give Alex the time and he will make it right.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 28, 2009, 11:45:51 AM
I have no news to report.

Luke, Thanks for posting that. There is a minor correction. The bane hilts were not sent to DT, the paperwork was. He still has it.
Ultra still has the Bane hilts. Anyone that responded to my post in the Bane update thread, your orders were compiled and sent to Ultra.


 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on July 29, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I find it ridiculous that with all his "problems" he can go sit through an almost 3 hour movie and post a review on this very site, but not have the time to go to the goram post office and ship my stuff. I'll state it again. I don't care what your excuses are. Derek, just send the incomplete Overlord and my soundboard back to me. I don't want you working on it anymore. Just send it back.You can use some of that money Master Jedye sent you specifically to ship everyone's stuff out.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 29, 2009, 11:00:04 PM
Let's face it, folks, these sabers are most likely never going to see the hands of any of us who ordered them. DT holds all the cards here, and I think he's done dealing with any of us, on any level. Whether he still has them is something I highly question, and with the constant false promises of shipping, refusal to send even unassembled parts to their owners, at no cost to him, I doubt that even if he DOES have them, that he plans on shipping them to any of us. I've given up hoping to get mine.

It sucks that we're all out our sabers and our money. It sucks that Ultra is out all of his. It sucks that someone we all trusted and admired has decided to shaft us. Mostly, it sucks how badly this has tainted the entire custom saber community. Lessons learned.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on July 29, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
Let's face it, folks, these sabers are most likely never going to see the hands of any of us who ordered them. DT holds all the cards here, and I think he's done dealing with any of us, on any level. Whether he still has them is something I highly question, and with the constant false promises of shipping, refusal to send even unassembled parts to their owners, at no cost to him, I doubt that even if he DOES have them, that he plans on shipping them to any of us. I've given up hoping to get mine.

It sucks that we're all out our sabers and our money. It sucks that Ultra is out all of his. It sucks that someone we all trusted and admired has decided to shaft us. Mostly, it sucks how badly this has tainted the entire custom saber community. Lessons learned.

out of our money? i dont think so, there is a thing called the law
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 29, 2009, 11:35:37 PM
Of course there is. But how do you pursue this? If Derek is in as bad a shape as he claims, going after him legally would be pointless, and the legal fees would cost as much as the sabers. If not Derek, then who? Ultra? Ultra is getting the raw end of this deal as much as all of us. And I'm sure if we all said we just want our money back, he'd refund it. But a lot of us have other things we've paid for, like shipping, the US boards, their upgrades, AND the install fee, as well as shipping costs that some of us paid Derek for already. I don't feel it's right to throw all of that on Ultra, when this isn't really his fault. Sure, I'm frustrated at the lack of constant communication on this particular matter, but I don't hold him responsible for Derek's actions.

This is just a huge mess, and cleaning it up may be impossible, especially with no cooperation from Derek...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Master Jedye on July 30, 2009, 07:27:22 AM
Reaver is correct.  Legal action from the customers probably wouldn't do any good and in fact, may hinder Alex's ability to resolve the issue.  Hullbreach has a good point too...Alex will need to exhast every possible option he has before he takes matters into his own hands.  Giving Alex enough time to do so is pretty important.   He's hurt by this too and re-releasing a line of sabers (in the event that Derek in a "no-show") would be a huge a operational loss for him.

Your best bet is to wait for Alex.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on July 30, 2009, 01:11:47 PM
Your best bet is to wait for Alex.
I'd think that, in literally some cases (bane), years would be enough time for things to "get sorted". Nothing personal against UltraSabers LLC, but timeliness is something that's been hit or miss for them. Look at the last 2 or 3 saber runs. Look at almost every Ultrasound release. Me personally, I'm about 50/50. Sometimes things go wormhole, sometimes not. Now, I'm not doubting Ultrasabers commitment on making things right, or their great customer service, or specifically Ultra's word. That's been proven gold over and over again, but you better set aside some serious patience for the wait. I know like everything else in life things hicuup and things don't go smoothly according to plan, but months and months and months? Really? ??? 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on July 30, 2009, 01:27:55 PM
I'm back from vacation.
I've read myself in a bit.
I believe that Ultra will fix this, cause the company is big and trustworthy.
I bought a few times there and I'm planning to do it again in the near future, when the new Hasbro's are coming out.
I do believe we have to give Alex more time.
I'm sure he'll keep his finger on the matter now and is working on it.
It takes time, and I can wait a few months longer,,... xxx, I've waited almost two years already.
Also the insurance he gave us, to give us our money back,... I believe that.
I also understand, that it is better for him to take the Overlord instead of that money.

Yes, I also feel bad for Derek.
I can understand that situations can change, and this went way to much over his head.
I do think Darth Tyranus had to come out for that and ask for help much earlier.
Pride, well maybe, but I can understand that aslo.
In the end Derek has lost all of his pride and we've got to read all of his  problems, and I really feel bad for him.
Yes, he had to come forward with the fact it went to big for him,  and Ultra had to stap in and fix this.
I would have payed some money again to the person who would have taken the job, that way Ultra and we (costumors) would have split the damage, and I think with me a lot more of you guy's.

It's sad that this situation went so ugly like it is now.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 30, 2009, 01:38:13 PM
I'd have to agree with Shadeslinger here. There is patience, and there is patience. I myself have seen how Ultrasabers goes out of their way to make things right, so I have no doubt as to their integrity and service to customers. But something has been fishy about this situation since before the US 2.1 upgrade. How many months ago was that? How long would I, as a business owner, sit and wait for someone to get in gear before I step in and make it right myself? This has been dragging on far too long, and I really feel that we, as customers, are being neglected. "Be patient" is no substitute for communication. It was great to hear from Ultra on this subject a while back, but it seems like we should be hearing things more often. Even if there is nothing huge to report, a sitrep of any kind would be better than the cold shoulder. I think it would do a lot to quell the uprising. Once a week, maybe twice, just to say "Hey guys, here's what's up..." I don't want to wait to hear next summer that something is finally being done about it. mistakes have been made all over, but now it's time to remedy them. Telling people to stay in a holding pattern for an undisclosed amount of time isn't the way to do it...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Master Jedye on July 30, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
My post was to draw a comparision between which was the better option, waiting on Alex or pursing legal action...and I stand by my post.  Waiting on Alex is BETTER than trying to purse legal action. 

I never said that 2 years of waiting (or even months of waiting) was acceptable.  But you have to hope that Alex is doing something about it.  Ultra's last post on this forum was over two weeks ago.  Maybe he's working on it (?)

But ultimately, Alex is (and probably will be) the one to reticfy the situation.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 30, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Ahem. Ultrasabers has been moving, and from my last PM that process is still ongoing.
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19028.0 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19028.0)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Senti Xamas on July 30, 2009, 02:49:18 PM
I guess I should chime in even though my wait is not for an overlord. I am waiting on Derek's end of a trade deal between him and I EIGHT months ago! Not nearly as long as the banes, or overlord's but im steamed as well. I traded him an Anakin ROTS for a conversion on my Luke ROTJ. I sent both sabers, and he told me he was done with the Luke, and it was shipping out. That was eight months ago. What action can I take in this because its not a saber run that im getting shafted over. The Luke ROTJ is no longer produced, and has tripled in price since I bought it new at $75. I dont think its Ultra's responsibility, but Derek was employed by him at the time of the trade.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 30, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Senti Xamas, I feel for you  but, this is not the thread for you air your grievances on a private transaction you had with DT. This is for the members that have purchased Overlords.
We have a section for Feedback in the Trade Federation.
Or a thread could be started here in ORA

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I dont think its Ultra's responsibility, but Derek was employed by him at the time of the trade.
DT was also a mod here as well, wanna go after Yoda? ::)
Alex cannot be held responsible for private transactions he knew nothing about. It's Ludicrous.
It's been stated several times over that, if it gets to the point another run needs to be commissioned for the Overlords, a forth run will be made.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Senti Xamas on July 30, 2009, 03:54:25 PM
Ok, point taken. Good luck to all for getting their sabers.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on July 31, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
I'm waiting on two Overlords (plus, by extension, the two CF boards that are going with 'em).
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on July 31, 2009, 05:06:45 PM
Once again, if you are not involved please stay out of the thread.

If you are involved keep it clean. We hope to have an update for you soon.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on July 31, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
An update would be most welcome... An update saying we'll have our sabers by oct would be even more welcome!  I'm joking, of course.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 01, 2009, 05:01:33 AM
Well by looking to the list that is grownig each day, even I get drepressive.
All of this is growing way above his head.
Even when I'm healthy I cannot see the clear sky anymore.

I refuse to believe this is a before thought of scam.
Derek wanted to do thing for people, but it grew to much.
Wanting to do things and really being capable of getting it all done, is something differend.
He took  way to much  on his shoulder, I believe.

It's clear he has money problems, and even sending stuff back to Ultra or you people, he don't have the funds for it, thats clear.
The install money and shiopment money is gone, and he has nothing to go with.
Sending new shipmentmoney wont help, cause I think he has finally something to eat when it arives.
Being sick and looking to the mountain of work thet needs to be done, will make you even more depressive.
Something else needs to be done.

I'm living to far from him and the costs will be so much more than the Overlord, otherwise I would go to him and sort things out for him.

Is there anyone who is living in his part of town, who has the time to help him out.
There was some kiond of help for him with the Overlords a few moths ago.

Maybe for Ultra it's possible to go to him cause the amound of Hilts and Boards will pay of the journey.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 01, 2009, 05:57:02 AM
An update would be most welcome... An update saying we'll have our sabers by oct would be even more welcome!  I'm joking, of course.


It's not much but I phoned Derek thursday afternoon and left a message for him to call me.  I offered to help him in anyway I could.  I have not received a reply yet.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 01, 2009, 07:20:36 AM
An update would be most welcome... An update saying we'll have our sabers by oct would be even more welcome!  I'm joking, of course.


It's not much but I phoned Derek thursday afternoon and left a message for him to call me.  I offered to help him in anyway I could.  I have not received a reply yet.

That offer is very kind of you.
Maybe there are more who can help?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 01, 2009, 09:48:13 AM
It's not much but I phoned Derek thursday afternoon and left a message for him to call me.  I offered to help him in anyway I could.  I have not received a reply yet.

And that's what is so frustrating about all of this. Even when he was actually answering IMs and e-mails, when things were bad but we were all just assuming the delays were caused by illness (which I no longer believe is the case), I asked him on several occasions to send my stuff back to me. Not because I was impatient, but to get my 2 Overlords off his bench, and trim some of his workload. I gave him a UPS account number, so he wouldn't have to pay, or even go anywhere, they'd come to his door and get them! But every time I got to saying that, our conversation would abruptly end, and I wouldn't hear from him again for days or weeks, at which time the whole subject was like it was never discussed. It was after a couple of those instances, that I started to realize that something really smelled wrong with this situation. There were indicators previously, but this isn't the place for the long, drawn out story...

My point is, even offering to do everything but come to his house and pick them up personally gets no response. when it's to that point, there is something seriously wrong, and I'm not just talking health/financial...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Serafel on August 02, 2009, 01:36:40 AM
Waiting for one overlord and one installed US 2.1 here.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on August 02, 2009, 04:25:40 AM
Yep, the old scammer sure is here.

Not that anyone would actually read anything I send, post, or call anymore.  Not like I would actually blame them. 

You know, now I can see why some others put in this position have felt non-obliged to reply in the past.

I find it quite humorous that most of the people raising such a stink here are ones that came to this site well after I was established here as a trustworthy person.  I gain NOTHING from attempting to scam anyone.

I find it amusing as well that many of you know my home address, telephone number, First and Last Name, and the exact item of yours that I have in my possession. But you have not the cajones to CALL ME.

Do you really think it as my intention to become ill, and then lose my mind trying to play catch up, so that my name does not fall into the same ranks as Jedi Saber Smith (NOT to be confused with JON JUDGE, who is a reputable sabersmith and a helluva guy!) A.K.A. Equinox?  YES, I AM Name dropping here... How about DarthVaderUSA, or any of the other names used on ebay to bilk people of their money?

Not that any of you really give a xxx, but I JUST spoke to Jango Two days ago on the phone about what we can do about getting this whole childish mess taken care of. I also have spoken to Yoda, and explained this as well.

Mr. Alex Buckner will be receiving a call either Monday or Tuesday as well. Just as soon as I work out some other details.

Let me get to the point.  I really screwed MYSELF by lumping SHIPPING charges with assembly fees up front.  That causes some issues when the work is done, and all the parts that I had to foot the bill for eat up all the shipping money, WELL BEFORE THE POSTAL RATES NEARLY DOUBLE. Then Getting sick.

Perhaps I haven't been on to update, because I was not able, nor was I feeling well.

I have a LOT of International stuff that has yet to be labeled because it is EXPENSIVE.

I also have piles of sabers that I KNOW need to go out. AND YES THEY ARE FINISHED SABERS.  No one knows this more than me.  Do you actually think I am proud of being so far behind?

Do you REAALLLY think that I would give out my home address and phone number freely if I were trying to scam anyone?

Want my Driver's License number?  How about my Social Sec number, Re-enlistment code on my DD-214?

I can save you all the xxx trouble right now, so that you won't have to pay for an intellius search.

And before you even say anything about identity theft (like any of you care at this point... I know I wouldn't)... They can have my xxx identity...  I have a Mortgage, Two car payments, Student loans, a horrid credit rating, and a less than stellar Military record, not to mention child support and a divorce under my belt...

Take the xxx Identity... It won't get you far, trust me!

NCIC will turn up nothing, then you will all have to signal nine your butts back into posting tripe like this.

Seriously, THIS is why I stay up nights not able to sleep.  Worrying about how I am going to reap what I sow and make amends, and then have you all lambaste me.  Then you wonder why I get so xxx irate?

Yes, I KNOW that this will probably get axed by a Mod.  But xxx it, I have put up with a LOT of crap from a lot of people INCLUDING MYSELF, MY FAMILY, AND MY FRIENDS because of this...

By the way... I AM STILL HEALING, and am seeking the help of a psychologist, as well a s a marriage counselor.

Thanks for asking.

More updates to come as Jango, Ultra And I work this out. And YES YODA IS IN THE KNOW ON THIS!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on August 02, 2009, 05:13:01 AM
Thank you for the update. Truly.

I don't consider you a scammer and never did...I want you to know that right up front.

I think its horrible that the MachinedFX debacle has created an aura of suspicion in this hobby that has unfortunately  been put onto you incorrectly.

Your name does NOT belong in the company of those you have mention.

I can absolutely understand how the up front shipping has caused an issue for you...what is one small cost for us individual purchasers becomes a huge expense at your end across many items especially if rates change in the meantime...I can undertand that.

For my part I am willing to pay for any shipping costs for my items, whether that was paid 'before' or not, if that helps you expedite things. I don't know about anyone else but I am.

I'm glad things are moving forward and will look forward to future updates.

I am also glad you ARE healing...I hope you continue to do so QUICKLY until you return to FULL health...and I will divulge about myself that I have been in Psychotherapy for 30 years and it can be helpful and hope it is for you...a good 'Shrink' can do wonders believe me. I'm sorry to hear about your marital difficulties. I hope counselling helps with that too.

Peace and Good Luck, and meant in all sincerity MTFBWY as you recover.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: CybKnight on August 02, 2009, 06:46:53 AM
I am with Onli-Won on this one. And if shipping have gone up, I don't mind paying the difference.

I know people were frustrated, but it is time to let go of this now. Let us be friends, or at least not enemies.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 02, 2009, 09:15:34 AM
Derek, for the record, I never thought scammer either. I know you had the sabers and parts, I never doubted that. My fear was that something happened to them, or you lost them somehow during a move or some other ridiculous scenario my head devised. If that had happened, I know I would be in a hole somewhere, trying to figure out what to do about it. I think My biggest mounting frustration was the lack of communication, seemingly from any direction (other than Jango, who has been ever faithful to post and try to calm the mob), and the terrible possibilities of why that would be. I'm glad you're doing better, and I'm glad you're posting again. As I've said on many occasions, simple updates are a huge method of mob control.

Keep healing. Work on the sabers as best you can, take help from those who offer, and continue to stay in touch. I'm sure the mountain of sabers is huge, but you should never have felt like you had to tackle them alone. And you still don't. As for shipping, I'll still be happy to let you use my ups number, to avoid any costs on your end. If you need it again, let me know.

We've always been here for you. Angry and frustrated of late, yes, but still here. Many hands are still outstretched to offer help, take them. You know how to reach me if there is anything I can do.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jaden Korr on August 02, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
This topic will be re-opened.

However, for the sake of all parties involved, as well as for the situation itself, please refrain from posting unless you are directly involved with the issue at hand. Those with no knowledge of the stated situation have no business of commenting on either party.

Lets do our best to keep things civil.

Last time it will be said. No blaming, no excuses, nor finger pointing. This is a transaction communication thread FOR THOSE INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION. No other off topic posting will be tolerated for the benefit of the manufacturer and the customers. Thank You!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 02, 2009, 01:58:58 PM
I'm also glad to see you here again, and see your getting better.
By gathering people to help, I really ment, to help YOU.
People are offering any help, and if I could I would be there like I wrote earlier.
But please take the help.
I really like to have you around on this forum, it was always fun.
Let us finish this together if possible.
When there are members from here nearby, please lets fix this together.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on August 03, 2009, 12:01:14 AM
As I have stated before: I AM working through this.  I am not shirking anything.

As to the outside stuff, that all directly affects my productivity. I want everyone to get their stuff, and I want everyone to get it as quickly as I can make possible.

However, if someone were to lose their leg in a freak accident, I would not ask them to run a Marathon the next day. Or even the next six months...

Therefore, I am now asking the Moderation team to please remove this topic to the sarlacc pit so that I may make a fresh updates topic.  This one can remain for a week or two.

The New topic will be posted in ONLY by me, and I will keep it locked, as I still have permissions in place to lock and unlock my own topics.

The personal attacks need to stop guys.  That is counter productive, and will not gt anything done any faster.

We have two choices here:

1. I can give constant updates on every drop of solder I put to wire. (Not much work gets done if I am spending time constantly posting updates and dealing with irate emails)

OR

2. I can focus on the saber crafting, and get this done, and give an update less frequently (More work gets done faster)

Your choice, but you can't have both.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: mrlamchop on August 03, 2009, 12:32:00 AM
Thanks for the update,i will wait however long it takes
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 03, 2009, 05:14:40 AM
PM sent DT.  ;)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 08, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Thanks for the update,i will wait however long it takes

im not... and however long it takes??? so if it took 100 years thats ok? ok............................ i like derek and im sure he will pull through but serioously, thats just dumb to say
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: mrlamchop on August 08, 2009, 01:17:48 AM
within reason..
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 08, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
Thanks for the update,i will wait however long it takes

im not... and however long it takes??? so if it took 100 years thats ok? ok............................ i like derek and im sure he will pull through but serioously, thats just dumb to say
within reason..

Hahaha, I laughed, I really laughed in this topic.
Whuaahahaha.

That is good though.
Finally.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 11, 2009, 05:06:11 PM
Well, I've been in Alaska for the last week, thought I'd return and see some new info. Bummer. I'm guessing "no news is good news" doesn't apply here...

Any news anyone? Anyone heard that theirs is being completed or shipped? Just checking...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 12, 2009, 01:51:04 AM
When I received mine, everybody will know abiout it.  :)

Aspecially with the help people where offering?
I'll take things are happening at the moment.
I can hold my breath till the end of October, but in November I'll expect things have happened.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 13, 2009, 12:11:16 AM
October? If this runs to October with nothing being done, I will have lost all faith in the system. If the posts and updates are correct, there are finished sabers sitting around, waiting to go out. And others that just need soundboard installs. I'd have thought some of them would be in hand already. If October comes around, and we are still in a holding pattern, then things have gone much farther wrong than we know.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 13, 2009, 09:16:18 AM
If you mean the first page, I was on that page too;
6. Darth Matth 2.1 Will ship With other international orders. I have to declare it at post office.
I never understood why it took so long to only send mine, but hé, I think it was already stated not to take the first page serious.
I'll take that things are taken care of at the moment.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 13, 2009, 11:08:39 AM
No, I was referring to the last update, stating that there are "finished sabers" ready to go out. I figure if that was the case, they'd be in-hand by now. Since they aren't, one must wonder why not...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on August 13, 2009, 01:19:42 PM
The only reason to come to this thread now is to watch the song and dance routine:

"Where's my Overlord?"
"Excuse, excuse, excuse....."
"Just send me my stuff incomplete......"
"Excuse, excuse, excuse....."

Although, it is getting alittle old, watching the same thing over and over and over again. How about adding a new step to this routine and sending out the gorram Overlords to the respective owners or the people that have offered to help?

You can easily get one Overlord and sound install off of your bench if you stop "working" on mine and just ship them back to me as is like I've asked numerous times. I have no job at the moment and have plenty of time and confidence to finish it up myself. Ease your burden a bit......you know you want to....
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 13, 2009, 09:24:05 PM
Nice nutshelling, Ri-on. It does seem to be a disturbingly repetitive pattern. If everyone who asked for their sabers incomplete (my 2 among them) would get sent to their respective owners, there would probably only be 2 left. (yes, that's an intentional exaggeration, before anyone starts screaming). You did forget one part to the routine, though. If I may:

"Where's my Overlord?"
"Excuse, excuse, excuse....."
...wait a few weeks or months for a definitive answer...
"Just send me my stuff incomplete......"
"Excuse, excuse, excuse....."
...wait a few more weeks or months for another response...

That seems more like it.

The longer this drags out, the more I'm agreeing with Shadeslinger, that this whole mess is going nowhere. Unlike Shadeslinger, however, I don't find it quite as comical. Sorry, 'Singer.

I just think a lot of us are over the assurances and reasoning, and just want action. And we're getting none. I'm giving up. I don't think we'll see these sabers, and I honestly think that at this point Ultrasabers just wants it to go away, and there's nothing they can do to fix it. I think we've been abandoned, and there's not much we can do about it.

Those of you who want to keep hoping in spite of all the signs that point to hopelessness, good luck. I'm done wasting my time.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 13, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
It has been stated over and over again that US will commission another run to replace these. What you perceive as a lack of action or updates is false.
I am the Ultrasabers liaison and have been posting any updates I can. I represent them on these forums in this capacity. Alex has posted his position on this issue in this thread.
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17776.msg284950#msg284950 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17776.msg284950#msg284950)
It has not changed.
This situation has been debated in the council almost daily.
Several calls/emails between Yoda, Ultra and myself have occurred.

We are not sitting on our hands.

We do care about your plight and the funds you have spent on this run. You will not be written off as a loss. That is ridiculous. Ultrasabers has always stood behind it's products. I would not Rep them otherwise.

Some of you may have noticed my store is pretty much closed until 08/31/09. I am only taking JQsabers installs and direct Ultrasabers US soundboard installs at this time, to prepare for OV installs. The delay is now hurting me as well, and I tire of it. GREATLY.

I will ask again for your patience, and trust that I will post confirmed info when I get it.

edit.
I don't turn away V2's. I enjoy them to much. Bring it!
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 15, 2009, 01:42:01 AM
Jango, I don't mean any offense here, and I do appreciate your efforts to try and keep people calm and rational about this, but I think it has gone on long enough at this point. I think that asking for patience has run it's course. We've all been patient, to a fault. Automobile companies can manufacture and release new models of cars and get them to the street faster than these sabers are going. In the end, Ultra needs to take action. The time for debates, calls and conversations is long past. It's time to do something. Past time, actually. I don't want to see Ultrasabers lose their money on these sabers, but I don't want to hear them tell us to hold on while they work things out, either. That link you posted was from June. On June 30th, Ultra posted the following:

Quote
You can count on me to make things right just like you always have.  If I need to, I will drop everything and make an entire new run of Overlords just for you.  If you don't want one anymore, I'll refund your money. Simple as that.

In the next couple of days I should have more information for everyone.

Since then, nothing. Even if they were to decide to do another run, there are no US2.1 boards to install in them, as last I heard, they were all gone. So that would mean what? Waiting for another run to be machined, then waiting for new boards to be manufactured? We might see our sabers by 2012 at that rate.

I'm not trying to be difficult, and I'm not being unreasonable. None of us are. I just think that, at this point, we need a resolution. Whatever that may mean. I think we deserve it.

The really sad thing is that I don't trust any of the reassurances any more. So far, none of the things promised about this situation has come to pass. You say we're not being hung out to dry, but I have yet to see anything to prove otherwise.

Please don't take this as a personal attack towards anyone, as that was not my intention. It is merely a call to action. A call that will either be answered or ignored. And the response will tell myself and everyone here looking for their sabers exactly where we are in the grand scheme of things, and whether we'll see these sabers in our lifetime...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 15, 2009, 05:27:43 AM
I know you all want what you paid for but has anyone asked for their money back?  Alex is quoted as saying he will give your money back, simple as that.

I totally understand the frustration of not knowing and the extremely long delays but you are not being hung out to dry.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on August 15, 2009, 05:52:14 AM
Actually Luke, I did ask for my money back a couple months ago. But since the US 2.1 install was handled through The ORA part of this site and not the UltraSabers site, ( it was not yet on option on the US site) I was only offered the price of the Overlord itself - $139 back. That would still leave me $214 in the hole. $119  for the board, $85 for the install, and $10 for the upgrade. So, $139 back out of $353 spent? Even though Derek was an Ultra sabers employee and we were all urged to have the boards installed by one of Ultra's liaisons. Not quite worth it IMO. I'd rather wait to have the Overlord with the US 2.1 installed that I paid for.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 15, 2009, 05:55:03 AM
With money back,... does that includes all the money?
-Install batteries -inhilt charge,and so on,...
We had to pay extra for all this options.

I do have the whole list from what I payed in my e-mail administration, so that's no problem.
I only hope others have that too.

Look, I rather have my Overlord, but if this takes longer than the end of October, than I go for the money back.
If Ultra knows that now already, than I want to know it also, so I can choose for it now.
But still,... will I get the whole amount back???
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 15, 2009, 09:56:23 AM
Good points, and exactly the problem I'm having. I have 2 overlords in the queue, with 2 US 2.1 boards and install. That's nearly $600. Who takes care of what there? And IF the decision is made to make more Overlords, what about the soundboards? If there are no more 2.1s around, and Ultra is unable to recover the ones Tyranus has/had, are we going to need to wait for another run of those as well? The fact that all of these questions are going unanswered is why I feel we're being hung out to dry here. And at this point, every mod and rep can come here and tell us we're not, and it wouldn't mean a thing. Sorry guys, but Ultrasabers isn't your company. Ultra needs to be the one making that call, and the one coming here and telling us what's going to happen. And so far, all I've heard from anyone for months now is "wait". For what? For how long? How many times will we be told to wait for a couple of days, or a couple of weeks, only to be strung along for months? It's time for a resolution. And until it happens, I will continue to feel hung out to dry. How can I possibly feel otherwise?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on August 15, 2009, 01:15:53 PM
Reaver I don't want to pick any fight with you or anyone but do you really think comments like
"We might see our sabers by 2012 at that rate" and "whether we'll see these sabers in our lifetime" are helpful? I realize thats giving voice to frustration and many of us feel that with you but I really don't think we are talking about such long terms as that, do you?

For all we know Ultra may have already machined replacement Overlords and just be waiting on the next run of Ultrasounds to install in them...if so then he is waiting on Novaconceptions just as we are...I really don't think he would delay this another day if he had the means to resolve it immediately, do you?

I accept Jangos reassurance things are moving forward behind the scenes and I'm glad he's waiting for CONFIRMED word before he tells us what is going to be done...until they KNOW something definite to tell us it wouldnt help any of us for them to tell us things they cant be certain of eh?

So I'm going to keep faith and be patient. Afaik there WILL be another run of Ultrasounds THIS year not 2012 so I believe this will be made good.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 15, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
No offense taken at all, Onli-Won. We all deal with frustrations in our own way. I know the 2012 is a bit extreme, but considering that this has been going on for 2 years, it's not THAT much of an exaggeration...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 15, 2009, 02:17:23 PM
Where are you getting 2 years from. It has barely even been a year since the third run was announced on August 11, 2008, 01:35:24 PM

I looked it up.

FYI there is already another run on the Ultrasound. If we go the replacement route the OV will get 2.2's

I do not know what Ultrasabers policy will be on the fees paid to DT for the installs should you seek a refund.

Several Sabersmiths including myself, have offered to donate their time to completing the installs on the OV. This includes a redo of the third run.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 16, 2009, 10:24:03 AM

FYI there is already another run on the Ultrasound. If we go the replacement route the OV will get 2.2's

Several Sabersmiths including myself, have offered to donate their time to completing the installs on the OV. This includes a redo of the third run.


Ehh, can I accept this as an anouncement for what we shall receive to fix this?
Because if that is the case, than things are quit far already.  (That's good news right)
Can I let the stress go and have trust again, or are we talking about 'maybe solutions' here?

I'm not really sure how to take this last Post of yours Jango Fett.
Is Alex standing behind this also?
Can I alow myself to get that happy feeling again like we had when this Overlord run just started and we where among the ones that where on the list.
If this is a YES,...
Well people of the Overlords,   let us accept this as if we just payed the whole thing and now we only have to wait for, this good guy's, to receive the hilts and boards and put it together for us.

I sure as xxx can use a little happyness again on this part of the forum.
I also want to hear the name of Ultra again, and really think of the good stuff.

Will Alex confirm this?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 16, 2009, 06:52:20 PM
my patience ran out awhile ago, anyways i trust alex(ultra) to come through, they havent let me down once in the numerous bs i have endured

i would really like to get this saber finally this year, i dont want a refund, i put too much money and time into this, also i traded up a brand new luke rotj force fx to get on the list so yeah its costing me more than the normal

i also hope derek finishes this so we can just get our sabers and move on

im just annoyed with the amount of bs and money loss ultra sabers must take IF derek doesnt pull through, im sure alex will be pissed because it will cost him money, but until we get an actual notification that our saber is being shipped via ups usps etc then no i wont have any patience at all still i also feel for the bane customers, they have been waiting 2x as long as we have
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 16, 2009, 09:43:34 PM
I just think it's sad that it has gotten to this point. Right now, the only thing I would believe about my sabers being shipped IS a UPS/FedEx tracking number. We've all heard too many "check's in the mail" promises to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Gmar on August 17, 2009, 08:07:21 PM
Where are you getting 2 years from. It has barely even been a year since the third run was announced on August 11, 2008, 01:35:24 PM

I looked it up.

Jango, you continue to be a Huge help here, there is no disputing that, but I believe your dates are wrong.

For me, I got on the Overlord Wait list on 11/11/2007 when a slot opened up.  I know others have been on the list longer, which is probably where the two years comes from.

I paid for my Overlord on 8/18/2008, so it has been a full 365 now.

I believe most of the old posts have been deleted, which is probably why they cannot be found.
Here are a few that remain:

If you're on the list for an OverLord, your wait is almost over.

I have brought another machinist on board and I will now be able to complete this project before Halloween.

All the parts for the OverLord are now in stock.  They will be assembled and shipped out soon, except the ones waiting on sound boards.

We're basically trying to get all the non sound OverLords out before Halloween.  When the Ultrasounds release, I will be installing the ones into Overlords for those that want it in there and have paid for it.

It may not be two years, but I don’t think anyone can dispute that it has been a long wait, and all promised deadlines have come and gone.  For me, I always appreciate the updates.  However, it is only deliverance of the items already paid for that will restore our shaken trust.

MTFBWY,
-Greg
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 17, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
gmar is correct

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Quote from: Darth Akira on December 13, 2007, 03:50:57 PM
hey ok cool, do you know what color discs come with it?

can you change my order to

Darth Akira - Collectors Edition - Lux V Guardian Blue + Ultrasound + additional MLS Adegan Silver

thanks


Will do, sorry I haven't gotten the extra stuff on there yet...

Anyway, the Adegan silver typically comes with 12 different color discs. The included colors can be seen here:

http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/pc-633-15-12-colored-discs.aspx

This is the link to the TCSS page, but Ultra uses the same discs.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 17, 2009, 09:45:24 PM
Nice work finding those posts, guys. I don't have any of my PMs from that long ago, because the mailbox fills up so fast. I'm not sure if any of the remaining Overlord Order threads are still around or not. Either way, the wait HAS been long...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 18, 2009, 04:13:14 AM
i placed my order in oct/nov 2007 meaning yes it has been almost 2 years

bane users have been waiting 3 i guess
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 18, 2009, 04:32:11 AM
This has to stop,...
I receive e-mails from members who are quiting their membership here on the forum.
Not that this has everything to do with this Overlord problem, but hë.
There is so much negativety here going on, that it is not funny anymore.
What is going on.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 18, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
Nothing really is going on, and that is exactly the problem. The customers feel like they are being abandoned, and all we seem to get is reassurances and an occasional date, none of which has ever been met. What we have is a gigantic mess, with fault on multiple sides, and no real resolution. Such a huge issue with a company and individuals that are/were, in many ways, trusted pillars of the saber community here is causing the whole structure to fail. Trust is dying, reputations failing and tempers fairing. And yet there is still no resolution beyond "be patient". Patience has limits, and we've reached that limit. Something needs tone done. And fast.   
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 18, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
There is so much negativety here going on, that it is not funny anymore.
What is going on.

that a trick question???
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 18, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
Well, let's see.
Every time I post here with a non-update, reiterate Ultrasabers willingness to do another run, I get about 10 PMs or emails asking
So, I turned off the notification of replies and decided to wait until I had something concrete to post.
You guys seem tired of my replies and really don't pay attention to them anyway.

It's repeating  to you and me. I don't like it.
non-update update.
I received another email that was copied to Yoda and Ultra this morning, saying the sabers are being packed up still.
I replied with"send me what you have ready, and we will arrange another shipment a little later"
This has not been replied to as of 10:38pm EST.

That's about it. :-\

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on August 18, 2009, 08:07:18 PM
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Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 18, 2009, 08:22:15 PM
Sabers are being packed up still?!? What? Is he manufacturing the cardboard for the boxes, foam for the packing peanuts, adhesive for the tape and ind for the labeling out of ingredients laying around the house? Seriously, with thousands of dollars in limbo, why hasn't someone flown down there and taken possession of these things physically by now? I joked about it before, but I'm totally serious now. 300 or 400 for a round trip ticket vs refunding people thousands and being out for the materials at the same time? Seems like a no-brainer equation to me. Then, if you still can't get them back, you just call the police. Thousands of dollars in Ultrasabers product, and you can't get it back? That may be a felony, at that dollar figure.

That may sound like an ugly scenario, but if Derek still has them (and they haven't been stolen or something at some point), and if US is really serious about getting them out to us, this is the only direction this thing can go. How many tomes do we hear that they are "being shipped". How long do we wait? How long before action is taken? I say now. And I think a lot of people would agree.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 18, 2009, 08:45:04 PM
Well, that has been discussed. It's always the logistics that get in the way. Especially with different people involved.


I would go, but I have no emergency time off left.
I have recommended a final deadline to Ultra for concrete info, and there is little time left before that.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 18, 2009, 09:12:26 PM
I would think Ultra would go. His company, his responsibility, and Ultimately, DT was working for him. He would be the logical choice. As for costs and such, again, his company. But I'd throw 20 bucks into a pot for an Overlord Recovery Mission. And if half of us did that, it would pay for the trip. We shouldn't have to, mind you, but I would. I know you have offered to help build, and if that still stands, seems like half can go to you, and half can go back to US for assembly.

If he's turned away, that's when you call the police. The local police there. If someone were to make that trip, and be denied, police involvement would be more than warranted.

As for deadlines, I say Aug 1, 2009. Yeah, I know it has already passed.

I just don't understand the mindset here. If things on Ultra's end are on the up and up, and if he does indeed intend to make things right, I don't get the delay. After all the promised and passed deadlines. After all the conflicting stories. After all that has happened, why there is still any debate on what to do, or why any more leeway is given is beyond me. If it were my company, the hammer would have dropped months ago...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 19, 2009, 03:44:15 AM
I would think Ultra would go. His company, his responsibility, and Ultimately, DT was working for him. He would be the logical choice. As for costs and such, again, his company. But I'd throw 20 bucks into a pot for an Overlord Recovery Mission. And if half of us did that, it would pay for the trip. We shouldn't have to, mind you, but I would. I know you have offered to help build, and if that still stands, seems like half can go to you, and half can go back to US for assembly.

Well Reaver, amen to that.
I would pay $20,-- for it either.
If this is what's keeping Ultra from going, I think we have the money together in no-time.

I even wnat to pay $20 more for the one who installs it, if that ensures me the Overlord is coming to my doorstep next month.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on August 19, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
Really? After all this without resolution, you want to send MORE money? Is you crazy?!?

Huh. ???


/delete
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 19, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
We could all just go at the same time. But we'd have to buy torches and pitchforks when we get there. TSA won't let us carry them on the plane, for some reason. Stupid terrorism, spoiling all our fun...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: tobu on August 20, 2009, 11:14:53 AM
Sorry,  ::)
is it possible to update with people, like me, still waiting without any news?

A list with the other Overlord still not worked?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 20, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
Wait, what? Are you waiting on an Overlord you've already ordered, or looking to buy a new one? If looking to buy, I don't think that's going to happen. My guess is that the Overlords are done. No new runs (unless they do a new one to fulfill the orders that are being *ahem* delayed  at ORA. If you're waiting for one of those, get in line, and read the rest of this thread.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: tobu on August 21, 2009, 11:42:25 AM
Wait, what? Are you waiting on an Overlord you've already ordered, or looking to buy a new one? If looking to buy, I don't think that's going to happen. My guess is that the Overlords are done. No new runs (unless they do a new one to fulfill the orders that are being *ahem* delayed  at ORA. If you're waiting for one of those, get in line, and read the rest of this thread.

Yes, I'm waiting for an Overlord already ordered. Last notice I had got was about the updating of the US2 to 2.1 and the installation in the saber.
But more than one year ago.  ???
Sorry for my poor english, I'm from Italy.  :-[
Can, please, someone give me any news about my saber?  :'(
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 21, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Sadly tobu you know as much as we all do.  This thread is the update thread and as you can read there is no update.  :'(
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on August 21, 2009, 01:22:04 PM
Luke is correct tobu. I believe if you read this thread you will pretty much get a grasp on the status of your saber. You might have to use some deductive reasoning though. ::)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 21, 2009, 01:23:25 PM
Just curious, as ORA seems to be defunct, and this is now an Ultrasabers problem, maybe we should move this particular thread back into the US category? All of the ORA threads dealing with US products, I'd think. That's where they should be, and maybe Ultra might be inclined to pop in every now and then if he saw how many people constantly check and reply on this thread alone...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 22, 2009, 03:07:17 AM
I agrea.
We need a Moderator for that.
Anyone?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 22, 2009, 04:10:48 AM
For now Master Yoda wishes to keep the status quo.   ORA will continue to remain.  I can't go into all the details but Yoda is correct and wise in his reasoning.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 24, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
No offence to master yoda or yourself, but the "status quo" hereis no responses, no action, no updates, from DT or Ultra. It is obvious that no one sees this situation as something that needs to take priority. It is obvious that we, the customers, and people who paid in advance for goods and services, are being ignored. I have serious doubts that anything will ever get done.

So I suggest that we impliment our own plans. If Ultra/DT (yes, I lump them together now, as they are both equally responsible for the current situation) are unable or unwilling to make thing right, we ask for refunds. Total, start-to-finish refunds. This means on the sabers, the soundboards, and install/shipping fees. These are all ultimately Ultra's responsibility, as ORA was contracted by US to do the installs and assembly. Refunds can be done almost instantly through paypal, so there should be no great delay.

If we are met with resistance and/or more silence, then we start exploring other options to recoup our losses. Truth be told, I'm already looking into a few, but it's tough when I don't know how many people and how much money we're talking about.

What say you, fellow neglected and ignored overlord purchasers? Am I the only one ready to stand up and say enough?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 24, 2009, 11:13:58 AM
What I want to know,...

Before the Overlords, there seem to be Bane sabers in the order and even more.
I only found out two months ago when people are writing that they where waiting much longer than we are.
If this delay's where already in the known before the Overlords, why did the Overlord install where pointed out to DT?
Is there ever been a saber installed by DT before this whole issue started?
Was he ever capable of making sabers to begin with?
I honestly don't know.

Just before the Overlord install, I had ordered two UltraFX sabers and those where for me the first custom sabers ever, and I trusted him cause Ultra pointed him out and it seemed that everyone knew him for being capable of doing that.
I only knew DT for his comments he made on my Ultra-saber-review and some reply's he made.
Before that I didn't know him that well cause I was not interrested in costums before.
I was all into the MR saber reviews here.
When MR loosed their licence, I did not come here for almost a year.
Now I'm all into the custom sabers.

So again, is there any proove that DT can solder and install sabers?
Did someone ever received a working saber from him?
I really hope so, otherwise this is a big blunder.
Also for me, for being a blind believer.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 24, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
You know, Matth, I honestly can't answer that. He has a lot of knowledge, and good info on electronics, LEDs, power consumption, etc., so I assume he knows his stuff. But have I ever received anything from him? no. To assume hejaz never done it, when so many people supported/recommended him, well, that would imply a conspiracy...

Did everyone know beforehand? Was all of this a grand scheme to get thousands of dollars out of unwary customers? Has anyone ever met Ultra or Derek? Are they the same person? I can't answer any of those questions. Could there be a huge deception goin on? Absolutely. Could anyone prove that it is or isn't? Not that I can see.

The fact that we are even discussing it is an indicator of how bad this has become. And how much worse it will get.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 24, 2009, 11:51:06 AM
You guys are ridiculous.

Look in the Feedback threads and the TF to see DT's builds
DT's you tube page
http://www.youtube.com/user/DarthMorbius1977 (http://www.youtube.com/user/DarthMorbius1977)

Ultras youtube page
http://www.youtube.com/user/UltraSWG (http://www.youtube.com/user/UltraSWG)

Council notified-reopened.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on August 24, 2009, 12:07:11 PM
You guys need to get a grip here....of course DT knows how to solder and construct lightsabers.  Also,  you are not the only people awaiting merchandise....a few of us Moderators are as well.  If Yoda has his reasons for leaving ORA on the forums,  then that's all we need to know.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Master Jedye on August 24, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
As far as DT and Ultra being the same person.... no.  They are not.  I've spoken to DT.  and you can still see Ultra's videos on Youtube.  They are NOT the same person.

While the situation has been horribly handled, to say it's a conspiracy is a bit a reach.   :-\
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 24, 2009, 12:23:56 PM
I didn't say it was a conspiracy, or that I personally thought they were the same person. I was using the illustration to mark the similarities in how we're being treated by both sides, as far as no communication, no action, no seeming concern with putting things right. I said that to assume he hadn't done any work himself would be to imply a conspiracy, not that there was one.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: CybKnight on August 24, 2009, 12:49:43 PM
No offense, but can people stop posting their rants here.
I have put notify on this thread to keep up-to-date on the topic, and better things to do than read all off these paranoid ramblings...
This was supposed to be a news/ update thread...

Thank you.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on August 24, 2009, 01:17:27 PM
I have to agree with Cybnight...I see there are new posts here and open it hoping for an update but all I see is 'venting' [polite term for it].

Which I can understand since this situation is frustrating [It is to me and other patient customers and I bet it's frustrating to mods here, Master Yoda, Ultra, I'd guess even DT] but the venting is NOT an update...it doesn't HELP anything for people to in effect come here and post "I'm still frustrated" - we ALL are.

There IS a 'vent' thread elsewhere...though maybe mods would rather this matter be 'vented' here - I don't know - but this thread isn't an UPDATE thread anymore and I kinda wish it were.

Or that a real update-only thread were created because the way this thread is now is ADDING to the frustration not ameliorating it.

'Conspiracy theories' are certainly not updates nor are they HELPFUL in any way...can we ask if our post is that before posting maybe? hmmm

Just my $0.02 and now I go back to hopeful patience waiting for REAL updates, trusting the many good folk here will find a solution in time.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 24, 2009, 02:04:44 PM
Yes I'm very sorry.
It's because members are writing about sabers for more than two years ago, so I wanted to know.
Indeed I forgot he was using the name Darth Morbius before.
Sorry, my mistake.
In that case the illness explains a lot.
Only the fact that he doesn't ship the finished stated sabers.
That is very strange.
I cannot understand that, cause that is the thing most people are angry and suspicious.

You can take my last post and everything that came from that away if you please.
Don't want to make things more worse.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Luke S. on August 24, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
As frustrating as it is for now it will remain in one topic.  If Derek ever comes back on this is the place he will go first.  This is the place he can get an update of the frustration he is causing.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 26, 2009, 07:17:21 PM
Dimensions and weight for a package were sent to Ultra earlier this week, but were somehow lost  ??? ???

They were resent today, and I have received a copy of the label and a click&ship notification.
When the package arrives, it will be sorted and a list will be posted in ORA of the builds received.

Owners of those builds with sound will be given an opportunity to decide if they want their hilts built by me or to have them shipped as is ASAP. This is to provide DIYs that have advanced their skills an opportunity to build their own or if someone does not want me to build their saber the option of sending it to another sabersmith.

Stunts will be sent to Ultrasabers for assembly and shipment. Or they can be sent AS IS on to you.

I will not be receiving blades in THIS SHIPMENT.

Ultrasabers and myself appreciate your patience in this matter,
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 26, 2009, 09:00:02 PM
Assuming they arrive, this is very good news. And quite a surprise, at least to me. I really had written them off. Thank you for the update, and here's cautiously hoping they arrive, and are in good condition.

Are the soundboards coming with this shipment as well? If so (and this may be a semi-premature question), what do you see as timeframes for having them installed? I know for me, after all of this, I'd much rather have someone with more expertise than myself install them in my two overlords. Even though I've done several conversions myself, these are meant to be the gems of my collection, and I'd rather they be worked on by more experienced hands. Any chance we could be looking at pre-halloween?

Blades aren't coming with this shipment, which is fine. What does that mean for once the installs are complete? If you have some ready for shipping prior to arrival of blades, will you ship the sabers, and Ultra send us the blades separately?

Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to get a handle on the situation. thanks.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 26, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
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Are the soundboards coming with this shipment as well?
  Yes

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what do you see as timeframes for having them installed?
I'm not going to be posting any ETA's at this time as I don't know what I am getting. A lot more than a soundboard and hilt goes into making a saber. Switches, LEDs, Li-ions, chargers and so on. Once they get here and are sorted, I will be contacting Ultra and DT about parts, and seeing what can be done.
I am willing to cover some costs to get these out, but if you guys think I will cover hundreds of dollars in parts, think again.
I don't have that kind of $$$

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What does that mean for once the installs are complete? If you have some ready for shipping prior to arrival of blades, will you ship the sabers, and Ultra send us the blades separately?
Dunno, blades are at DT's and that would be up to Ultra. I will keep him appraised of the status and we will go from there.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 26, 2009, 09:24:12 PM
I'm not going to be posting any ETA's at this time as I don't know what I am getting. A lot more than a soundboard and hilt goes into making a saber. Switches, LEDs, Li-ions, chargers and so on. Once they get here and are sorted, I will be contacting Ultra and DT about parts, and seeing what can be done.
I am willing to cover some costs to get these out, but if you guys think I will cover hundreds of dollars in parts, think again.
I don't have that kind of $$$

I understand that. I know you don't have any of the parts yet, so you don't know what you're dealing with. And I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect you to cover the cost of any parts that didn't arrive with the sabers. But just so I understand, if the parts aren't with the sabers, Ultra or DT will be supplying them?

On a personal note, for mine, feel free to contact me, and I'll give you info so I can cover shipping costs. It is enough that you're stepping in to help clean up a mess, if I can help whittle costs down a bit, I will.

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What does that mean for once the installs are complete? If you have some ready for shipping prior to arrival of blades, will you ship the sabers, and Ultra send us the blades separately?
Dunno, blades are at DT's and that would be up to Ultra. I will keep him appraised of the status and we will go from there.

OK. But feel free to send mine without blades. I have plenty that can act as stand-ins until the others arrive.

What a huge mess you're inheriting. All of these sabers to sort out. Parts that may or may not be included, Figuring out what goes where... I don't envy you. But I do appreciate that you're willing to do it.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on August 26, 2009, 09:32:32 PM
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But just so I understand, if the parts aren't with the sabers, Ultra or DT will be supplying them?

That's the unknown part at this time, as I don't know what exactly I am getting. Ultra and I have not had that conversation yet about what he is willing to cover or provide. Most of these parts were sent once already.

In case you guys have not realized it yet, I don't like to post stuff like this without the details all in place.

when I have more info, I will update again.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 26, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
In case you guys have not realized it yet, I don't like to post stuff like this without the details all in place.

Yeah, I'm getting that. lol. Fair enough, no more questions. maybe you should post the USPS tracking number, so we can watch it's progress... I'm kidding.

Let's hope you get at least most of the parts that were sent. Looking forward to(and keeping quiet until) the next update.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on August 26, 2009, 11:44:04 PM
This update is very much appreciated Jango...Thank You.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 27, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
:worship: :pompom: :clapping: :headbanging:
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Akira on August 27, 2009, 07:36:52 PM
do we have to pay anymore? i already paid derek for shipping and building and dont have the funds to do it again and dont want to, if we want you to build it cuz i dont know anything about soldering etc

Dimensions and weight for a package were sent to Ultra earlier this week, but were somehow lost  ??? ???

They were resent today, and I have received a copy of the label and a click&ship notification.
When the package arrives, it will be sorted and a list will be posted in ORA of the builds received.

Owners of those builds with sound will be given an opportunity to decide if they want their hilts built by me or to have them shipped as is ASAP. This is to provide DIYs that have advanced their skills an opportunity to build their own or if someone does not want me to build their saber the option of sending it to another sabersmith.

Stunts will be sent to Ultrasabers for assembly and shipment. Or they can be sent AS IS on to you.

I will not be receiving blades in THIS SHIPMENT.

Ultrasabers and myself appreciate your patience in this matter,
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 27, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
I think that remains to be seen, Akira. Jango probably isn't going to say anything one way or the other until he gets the parts and can see what he's missing. He shouldn't have to eat the cost of any materials himself, so if he doesn't get the parts from DT, that means he has to get them from Ultra, or buy them himself. Personally, I think if he is offering to do all of this work to clean up a mess that isn't his, Ultra should cover any and all missing parts. But that's just me.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on August 28, 2009, 08:17:23 AM
But that was already writen by Jango himself, at least in a PM to me two months ago, but I think also here somewhere.

What I'm curious about is how many are actually finished as was stated on page 1.
Also if he got the whole administration, otherwise I hope everybody has saved  his too.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on August 28, 2009, 09:30:25 AM
These are good questions. I want to know the answers as much (if not more) than the next guy. But Jango isn't going to comment until he gets the package, and gets the chance to sort through what he has. That could be a while, assuming the package ever arrives (we've all seen shipment notifications that never went out). So again, this turns into sort of a waiting game. I'm not expecting a package to arrive on Jango's doorstep complete with everything he needs. Sorry to be cynical, but that's just how this has gone so far. I would love nothing more than to be wrong. Let's hope the package arrives soon, and isn't a huge jumble, so Jango can get back to us ASAP. I'm not expecting these to get in all of our hands before Halloween, which is a bummer, but what can we do? At least there's some movement.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on September 02, 2009, 03:55:39 PM
Any status on the location of the mysterious package or is it still sitting under Derek's pile of BS?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on September 02, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
Any status on the location of the mysterious package or is it still sitting under Derek's pile of BS?

My guess is dude sold these things, long, long ago. No other explanation makes sense.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 02, 2009, 04:15:13 PM
I've had the same thought myself, on more than one occasion. I don't know that I really think it's true, considering how risky it would be. But at this point, I don't know what to believe. You'd think the shipment would have arrived by now, if it was shipped. We've heard several claims of things being shipped previously, and come to find out they never were. So where are they? In transit? Never shipped? I don't know. Not sure if anyone does.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 02, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
I was wondering myself what was the status of the package, and called DT to find out.

There was a problem at the post office, and DT has to go and see what's up.

Yoda and I have talked about this, and we think there may be a problem with the label or the packing of the saber itself.

That's all I got.

More updates as I get them.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 02, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
Seriously? How many times have we heard an excuse exactly like this? I have heard it at least 5 myself. Either he has more bad luck with the post office than anyone else on earth, or this is just another stall. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 6 times, shame on me.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on September 02, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Smells like a pile of Bantha poodoo to me.  >:(
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 02, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
you and me, both
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 02, 2009, 08:28:26 PM
It's what i have :-\

What's funny is, yoda and I think about these things at the same time.
I called DT before dinner, almost right after work.(600pm EST)
Right after I got home from picking the GF up, Yoda calls on an unrelated topic and the ORA topic comes up. (850pm EST)

We are really doing all we can to keep you guys updated and keep it moving forward.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 02, 2009, 08:33:46 PM
I don't think anyone really doubts that, Jango. I just can't believe how many times the same excuse comes up. And I can't believe anyone believes it at this point. This is like "The Boy Who Cried Post Office". It it ever DOES end up being true, no one is going to believe it unless they hear it from the post office itself. Anyone wanna feel like calling his local post office with the number and asking? I certainly would.

Honestly, I think it is way past the "trust me" phase of this operation. And way, WAY past the trusting it is a "post office screw up" phase. We've just lost another week doing nothing, only to find out they haven't gone anywhere. then we wait another week or two to see if the show up. When they don't, we hear another reason why they didn't. And the cycle goes on and on. Soon we'll be in Jan 2110, still stuck in this same loop. It's never going to end unless there is action taken. I just bought 2 2.5s to install in the 2 overlords in that shipment. right now, I'm about to cancel and ask for a refund on everything, including the overlords, 2 2.1s, install fees, all of it. This constant groundhog day repetition is just wearing too thin.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 02, 2009, 10:11:50 PM
Check out big man Reaver here leading the crusade once again! Where's your buddy Ri-On?

Dude if you want to make this personal. You can call me. 

Would you like a scan of the postal service card?

You are going to feel like a real turd when you see the post with the tracking info that will be MADE PUBLIC.

Somehow I kinda figured that you were going to post some tripe like you just did. 

Go ahead and remove this Mods... I know it will be anyway.

Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 02, 2009, 10:20:09 PM
In fact, I am so sick to death of infantile BS from you and Ri-On.

You two seem to be feeding on this for all it is worth.  Seriously, they are TOYS!

This is about all I can handle.

You want to know why I don't post here? REALLY?

It's because I come in here incognito from time to time, and I see this garbage.  How many times have I just walked away? Too many to count. All because I KNEW that my posts at the time would come out just like this, and get removed because they are too harsh.

Seriously, I have heard some of the swill that was PM'ed to Moderators and Administration here.  You guys have no shame.  Well neither do I now.  The gloves are off, and there is a row at center ice.

I will NOT be called a thief, and I will NOT be accused of this malarkey.  I xxx near DIE, and yet I am still here trying to get you your freaking toy.

This has gone on long enough.

Rally your troops.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 02, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
Come on Reavie... Let's play...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 02, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
Actually let's not.

The staff have let those involved voice their frustration to a point on this problem and it will be kept civil for all involved.

Most just seek concrete info on the sabers they have purchased.

This should be sorted shortly.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 02, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
Yeah, well I see no civility in blatant slams.

I guess I was just reading all of this wrong right?

Seriously, I don't see how any of my posts are any different here.  It just seems like an alarming amount of the negativity is coming from those that were wanting preferential treatment over at ORA...

Then they come to the place that I got my start in this hobby, and basically flame me down napalm style.

Yeah, I call those type BLUE FALCONS.  And it's not only here that I have seen these types of things.

Yet no one person has the fortitude to call me.  That's real big of them don't you think. 

Hide behind a snide post and not be me = You're cool.

Be me and respond to blatant flaming in as civil a manner as possible = get the Mods riled.

I get the point.

Fine, at this point I really don't care. 


BUT, I am not going to stand idly by while this offal is being dealt out in multitudes.


 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on September 02, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
Derek, I think your time would be better spent getting these sabers out and taking care of your customers than posting your bi-polar rants.

These might be considered "Toys" to you. But $360 says more than toy to me. I'm sure you'd want to know what the deal is with your stuff, whether it be a "toy" or anything else that you've paid money you worked hard for as well. Especially an order that's taken this long to fulfill. And if you were treated the same way that you've treated some of us you'd be doing the same thing. Do you expect us to sit idly by as well?

I don't know how many times you have told me my stuff has shipped only to be met with hostility when I've questioned you where it is. This was before you even got sick. It's hard to take anything you say seriously anymore.

You have my number you can call me if you want or you can even pm me with yours and a good time to call. We can settle this like adults. I'm
frankly tired of this and would just like my saber so I can move on.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 03, 2009, 12:24:49 AM
I think your time could be better spent elsewhere as well.

Really, what do you want me to do? Come here and put on some facade that I am going to be all nicey-nice about some of the crap that you guys have spewed?

The saber issues are taken care of. To be honest, you guys were just shooting yourselves in the foot with this little smear campaign.  Where was the email? hmm?

I do believe that I gave the two causing the most noise my phone numbers... Remember when you were staff at ORA, before you left in a huff.

This bickering is pointless.

A solution has been in the works, and is working out now.  Alex has sent me a Label for USPS priority mail. I put it on the PACKED box bound for FLORIDA, and dropped it at the post office.

I may have just overloaded the box and need to pay more for the difference of a pound... no big deal.

I dropped it at the post office MONDAY. I got the notification TODAY via one of the little green cards the USPS like to send you when you have incorrect postage or there is another problem with your shipment.

I cannot do anything until the Post office opens at 08:00.

For the love of all that is decent, just get over yourself for a moment.  I had come here with intention of letting EVERYONE know that the tracking number will be posted in it's own topic for all to see and follow should they wish, as soon as I get home from the post office first thing.

I am supposed to be at a job site tomorrow giving an estimate for an electrical job and laying new flooring in a client home so that I can pay the xxx bills, but I chose to request the day off from the boss man, reschedule my appointment for inspection, and handle this matter post haste.

Look, I know you want your stuff.  Nobody wants you to get it more than I do.  You have made it ABUNDANTLY clear, so many times now that you sound like your stylus is stuck in the same grooove and wearing the vinyl thin man...

Let's not do this. 

I don't want to do this, you don't even WANT to consider doing this...

There is no beneficial outcome with this type of fiasco.  Let's just get these things out there shall we?

If you want to hold a tiff about it, so be it man. That's your prerogative.  However, don't you think that something a bit more constructive would have been in order?

Please don't think for a moment that I am going to NOT speak up to defend myself. I don't want you to think that you have some sort of victory here. There is no victor when the spoils are not worth fighting over.

We can go back and forth like this for weeks, and it would still just wind up in the category of pointless volleys of insults, and blame.

Yes I screwed up.  I admit that.  Yes I got extremely ill.  Yes I got behind, and have been playing a spectacular game of "scramble to keep it all together" while still healing, and keeping a roof overhead.

Yes you want your stuff.

We all know.  You haven't let ANYONE forget that.

Trust me, I haven't...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 03, 2009, 12:40:20 AM
PM Sent...
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Rion Ozryel on September 03, 2009, 12:50:20 AM
Pm replied.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Shadeslinger on September 03, 2009, 01:23:51 PM


.....blah blah buh blah blah...uh, *cough* oops, ehhhh, what were you saying again? My bad, I kinda zoned out there! And holy [self-edit]! My foots bleeding! I don't even own a firearm! :o

But all is well that ends well. :) Especially after this comment:
Quote from: DARTH TYRANUS
blah blah blah

...wait a minute that's not right, I mean this one
Quote from: DARTH TYRANUS
buh buh blah blah

 what the?...darn it! What's wrong with the quoting system? Must be another one of those forum tech problems. ::) Anyway the one about the saber issue being resolved or something, that's awesome. 8)

HOLD UP *brakes* This is the OL thread right? Gah! Thought it was the official ORA. :-X But since I'm here, I'd like to say it's good to hear from ya! See, I've tried giving out updates on your behalf, but gorsh durn it, it's just not the same as the real deal. 8) But I just can't help being a huge fan! I haven't had this much fun being [self-edit] over since the last time I was in Dayton at the Mosey Inn (ah, Amber how I miss thee!). Well, I don't wanna "spew" all over the place here, especially since lunch only consisted of fruit and half a turkey sandwich, (have you ever thrown up fruit? It's the most god awful thing) so I'll just wait for more, ah, updates. :)

  -$5.00

 
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 03, 2009, 02:32:42 PM
Just a couple quick comments from me, as we're waiting to see how this all pans out...

First, this was never meant to be the start of a flame war towards anyone. It's a little tough to say anything that doesn't sound like that in a situation such as this, as everything is individual. I can't say ORA screwed up, without it sounding like a direct attack at DT. I can't say anything about about US without it sounding like a direct attack at Alex. And never was it my intention to attack an individual personally. Not in a flaming, uncalled for way, at least. For those who saw it that way, just know it wasn't my intention, and accept my apology.

Second, that being said, I don't regret any of my statements as far as what I said. How I phrased it, maybe, but not the statements themselves. Everything was said based on a pattern (see Shadeslinger's posts on what pattern I'm referring to. He lays them out far more humorously than I) and a history of events. I still think this has drawn out far too long, and I still think trust and faith is misplaced in many cases. But I do understand a bit better why certain things have gone on as long as they have, and all I can say is a little more communication would have gone a long way towards keeping this pot from the boiling point it has reached on occasion.

This is the flaw inherent in a board and community such as this. We're all friends and fellow fans (and smiths, in some cases), right up until we pay someone someone for their services. Then we become business associates, not friends. Until it's done, and the goods are delivered, but even then the friendship has been altered toward the business side. If you ask me for help installing a board, and I say "sure, send it over and I'll do it for you, no cost." Well, that's just one guy doing another guy a solid. Which is cool, and there are usually no ramifications. But the minute I ask for money, even if it is $.50, you become my client, my customer, and I have an obligation to get you what you want in a timely fashion. That's what happened here. I don't care if someone only paid five cents, or if they (like myself) are into this project for nearly a grand at this point, we all have the same rights. and we have been delayed, deceived and misled time after time. Many of us have asked for our sabers, offering to pay for shipping again, to get them to us, and we'd get them assembled elsewhere. We're usually met with silence or hostility. We have been extremely patient. We have been extremely understanding. I applaud the amount of restraint and patience I've seen here (not always applicable to myself, unfortunately). But I think we're all to the enough is enough stage. I'm hoping this is really getting worked out. I really am. But part of me is kicking and screaming, unwilling to believe they are even at the post office at this point.  Because we've all heard it before. And we're not ready to wait months again, hoping for good news that rarely comes....

To all you folks at Ultrasabers, I have enough of your product to know you do great work. And I've had issues that have been worked out smoothly, so I know you care about customer service. I admire that you've taken a fun hobby and turned it into a business, catering to the geekiness inside us. I apologize to you if you feel I was attacking you. I'm hoping that this gets worked out for your sake, as well as all of ours.

To the mods I've talked to about this situation on this board, thank you for your patience, honesty and communication, even when you often know as much as the rest of us. Which is to say, not much. You're mods for a reason, and you do your jobs well.

To the rest of us, I'm hoping against hope that we all come out of this with our sabers. I feel like, should we all get them, we should get together and throw a huge party.

I'll try to stay clm, and be less vocal in the meantime. Or at least less antagonistic. You all deserve that much.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 03, 2009, 05:27:54 PM
Well here's the skinny.

The box that the items were packaged in had collapsed and ripped causing the contents to spill.

I had to take them back and repackage everything, and make sure that nothing was damaged.  They needed me to come in and make sure nothing was lost. The Carrier has been notified that a pickup is needed and the information is below.

The package is scheduled for pickup by my carrier Friday September 04 2009 @ 10 AM (Tomorrow morning)

The Pickup request number is: WEC31187588

The Tracking number for the package is: 2503 8555 7491 3373 7115 Priority Mail Insured.

Jango will be receiving, and will distribute as all are completed and ready to ship.

I have a secondary shipment of blade stock that is going out as well for the Overlords, and everyone else's stuff will be going out within these next three weeks. Sorry, but that is the fastest I can move these out. There is a LOT of it.

Hopefully we can just put this all behind us once this is finished, and we can all get on with our lives.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on September 03, 2009, 05:29:42 PM
Hard to get more solid than that.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 03, 2009, 05:34:33 PM


.....blah blah buh blah blah...uh, *cough* oops, ehhhh, what were you saying again? My bad, I kinda zoned out there! And holy [self-edit]! My foots bleeding! I don't even own a firearm! :o

But all is well that ends well. :) Especially after this comment:
Quote from: DARTH TYRANUS
blah blah blah

...wait a minute that's not right, I mean this one
Quote from: DARTH TYRANUS
buh buh blah blah

 what the?...darn it! What's wrong with the quoting system? Must be another one of those forum tech problems. ::) Anyway the one about the saber issue being resolved or something, that's awesome. 8)

HOLD UP *brakes* This is the OL thread right? Gah! Thought it was the official ORA. :-X But since I'm here, I'd like to say it's good to hear from ya! See, I've tried giving out updates on your behalf, but gorsh durn it, it's just not the same as the real deal. 8) But I just can't help being a huge fan! I haven't had this much fun being [self-edit] over since the last time I was in Dayton at the Mosey Inn (ah, Amber how I miss thee!). Well, I don't wanna "spew" all over the place here, especially since lunch only consisted of fruit and half a turkey sandwich, (have you ever thrown up fruit? It's the most god awful thing) so I'll just wait for more, ah, updates. :)

  -$5.00

 

As for all the "Blah Blah"  Did you not get the email I sent you two weeks ago regarding your Ancient?

If you did not receive the email, I apologize.  Your saber is here and will be shipped ASAP.

The Same Goes for eastern57's Prophecy, PokerJedi's Imp Knight, Stunts, Overlord and extra hilt, as well as Obi-Wan's CF Overlords.

Nik Tabak From greece also has a custom saber that is being done, as well as a few others that have yet to be delivered.

Master Jedye's Order will be filled with the Overlord shipment, since Gemini Concepts are helping anyway.

I have a secondary package going to Jango next week with resupply of switches, battery packs, Set screws, Covertech Knobs, and LED's.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on September 03, 2009, 05:54:06 PM
Thank you for these updates DT.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Raijlin on September 03, 2009, 05:59:29 PM
It's alright Derek.  I've stated to more than one mod about how much a one-sided flame war this thread has become,  that was supposed to be "positive informational/communication".  I brought a couple of them to task about how it seems ok to let some people lambast an individual, but if someone speaks up in defense of something, they get PMed with warnings.

Or I get a warning for accidentally sliding by the swear filter, but it's ok for the person in the above post to get away with the inuendo about Amber and the Mosey Inn (on supposedly a  family-friendly site and why I was warned about the sliding around the chat filter.)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Jaden Korr on September 03, 2009, 06:30:10 PM
It's alright Derek.  I've stated to more than one mod about how much a one-sided flame war this thread has become,  that was supposed to be "positive informational/communication".  I brought a couple of them to task about how it seems ok to let some people lambast an individual, but if someone speaks up in defense of something, they get PMed with warnings.

Or I get a warning for accidentally sliding by the swear filter, but it's ok for the person in the above post to get away with the inuendo about Amber and the Mosey Inn (on supposedly a  family-friendly site and why I was warned about the sliding around the chat filter.)


This "flame war" was hardly one-sided, just flip back a few pages. And these customers were more so raising concerns and skepticism than actually flaming anyone, which is why they were allowed, and which is why Dereks responses were also allowed. I will state no more on this, except to say that no one will demonize these people who had every right to be skeptical and to demand answers when they have money on the line. It is a sad fact it happens to be a well-known member involved but it is what has, and what will happen to any situation like this one with any other dealer.

There will be no more discussion on it, the staff has asked repeatedly that anyone not involved please refrain from posting. I am going to go rogue and allow you this one post as long as it accompanies my own. If that stands so be it, if not....
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on September 04, 2009, 02:18:37 AM
I have to say that the last post of Reaven, was really telling about how I feel, and I think most of us.

I really do feel for Dereks illness and the problems that came from that, and it hurts reading about the things he writes about.
Maybe I'm a too sensitive guy.
Maybe cause I understand depression, and how that is keeping you from functioning normal.
I have it in my family.
But it is like Reaven wrote;
The posting of sabers being finished and ready for shipping while that seems not to be true, that brought me to a point of loosing fait in you DT.
Just too many broken promisses where made.
I almost opened a topic to get rid of my frustrations about this whole Overlord thing. (Well I did actually, and than I deleted it again)

I really hope that this whole thing will get passed.
That people will look at the good times when they see your name, while you're posting a reply to help someone out, as you always did.



Just a couple quick comments from me, as we're waiting to see how this all pans out...

First, this was never meant to be the start of a flame war towards anyone. It's a little tough to say anything that doesn't sound like that in a situation such as this, as everything is individual. I can't say ORA screwed up, without it sounding like a direct attack at DT. I can't say anything about about US without it sounding like a direct attack at Alex. And never was it my intention to attack an individual personally. Not in a flaming, uncalled for way, at least. For those who saw it that way, just know it wasn't my intention, and accept my apology.

Second, that being said, I don't regret any of my statements as far as what I said. How I phrased it, maybe, but not the statements themselves. Everything was said based on a pattern (see Shadeslinger's posts on what pattern I'm referring to. He lays them out far more humorously than I) and a history of events. I still think this has drawn out far too long, and I still think trust and faith is misplaced in many cases. But I do understand a bit better why certain things have gone on as long as they have, and all I can say is a little more communication would have gone a long way towards keeping this pot from the boiling point it has reached on occasion.

This is the flaw inherent in a board and community such as this. We're all friends and fellow fans (and smiths, in some cases), right up until we pay someone someone for their services. Then we become business associates, not friends. Until it's done, and the goods are delivered, but even then the friendship has been altered toward the business side. If you ask me for help installing a board, and I say "sure, send it over and I'll do it for you, no cost." Well, that's just one guy doing another guy a solid. Which is cool, and there are usually no ramifications. But the minute I ask for money, even if it is $.50, you become my client, my customer, and I have an obligation to get you what you want in a timely fashion. That's what happened here. I don't care if someone only paid five cents, or if they (like myself) are into this project for nearly a grand at this point, we all have the same rights. and we have been delayed, deceived and misled time after time. Many of us have asked for our sabers, offering to pay for shipping again, to get them to us, and we'd get them assembled elsewhere. We're usually met with silence or hostility. We have been extremely patient. We have been extremely understanding. I applaud the amount of restraint and patience I've seen here (not always applicable to myself, unfortunately). But I think we're all to the enough is enough stage. I'm hoping this is really getting worked out. I really am. But part of me is kicking and screaming, unwilling to believe they are even at the post office at this point.  Because we've all heard it before. And we're not ready to wait months again, hoping for good news that rarely comes....

To all you folks at Ultrasabers, I have enough of your product to know you do great work. And I've had issues that have been worked out smoothly, so I know you care about customer service. I admire that you've taken a fun hobby and turned it into a business, catering to the geekiness inside us. I apologize to you if you feel I was attacking you. I'm hoping that this gets worked out for your sake, as well as all of ours.

To the mods I've talked to about this situation on this board, thank you for your patience, honesty and communication, even when you often know as much as the rest of us. Which is to say, not much. You're mods for a reason, and you do your jobs well.

To the rest of us, I'm hoping against hope that we all come out of this with our sabers. I feel like, should we all get them, we should get together and throw a huge party.

I'll try to stay clm, and be less vocal in the meantime. Or at least less antagonistic. You all deserve that much.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 04, 2009, 06:22:27 AM
I have started getting some PMs about members wanting to change their orders on the Overlords

Different main Leds, accent Leds swapping out the 2.1 for a 2.5, changing the blade to UltraEdge ect ect ect ect ect ect.

The Answer to all your questions is NO.

To be CRYSTAL clear, NO CHANGES TO YOUR ORDER

I have not even received the package yet, and there will be more than one sent.
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I have a secondary package going to Jango next week with resupply of switches, battery packs, Set screws, Covertech Knobs, and LED's.

Once the hilt and parts arrive, sorted, a build list will be posted in ORA. Details will be posted on each build.
Unless a specific main LED is unavailable, that list will stay as is.
If there is an error, you will have to prove it to me.

If this is unacceptable to you send me an email to josh@ultrasabers.com, with your order #
Your hilt and parts will be sent to Ultrasabers HQ for assembly with any changes you like and the sabersmith there will work with you on it.

It's a huge effort to sort and build 20+ sabers. I'm not going to delay these further by contacting each member to confirm changes, answer build questions, and negotiate prices.



Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 04, 2009, 07:16:29 AM
Understandable, Jango. This really is a huge job, and I want to thank you again for offering your services.

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Jango will be receiving, and will distribute as all are completed and ready to ship.

I think I misread this originally. I thought it meant that they were complete already, and you would distribute them. Which of course made me wonder why switches and such were coming in a second shipment (I still wonder that, just for a different reason), but now I realize it meant that meant they would be distributed as Jango completes them. Makes a bit more sense now...

Thanks for the update and clarification Jango
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: darthmorbius on September 04, 2009, 09:38:47 AM
Understandable, Jango. This really is a huge job, and I want to thank you again for offering your services.

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Jango will be receiving, and will distribute as all are completed and ready to ship.

I think I misread this originally. I thought it meant that they were complete already, and you would distribute them. Which of course made me wonder why switches and such were coming in a second shipment (I still wonder that, just for a different reason), but now I realize it meant that meant they would be distributed as Jango completes them. Makes a bit more sense now...

Thanks for the update and clarification Jango

Yes the sabers will be distributed as Jango finishes them.

The Resupply of parts is because I am shy on a few items like switches and set screws .  I was also out of JST connectors for the LEDS and battery packs.

BTW the package is in the hands of the USPS again, so it should be about 3-5 days that Jango has them.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on September 04, 2009, 10:20:19 AM
Derek, inquiry PM sent.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: CybKnight on September 04, 2009, 11:06:51 AM
Well, to me this sound like news. Good news in fact. Thanks DT.

*EDIT* ....and thanks Jango... */EDIT*
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: DerFrownmacher on September 04, 2009, 12:01:27 PM
Though the last few pages got me down, these updates have done wonders for my confidence in these sabers and, more importantly, this community.

Tyranus, thanks for buckling down and getting it done. I know a lot of people are gonna be happy to have their sabers, irrespective of how long they had to wait. And thanks to Jango for working with you to make it all happen. That's what a community is for.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 04, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
You know what is disturbing? This:

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Label/Receipt Number: 2503 8555 7491 3373 7115
Class: Priority Mail®
Service(s): Signature Confirmation™/Insured
Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on August 26, 2009 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.

...taken from the USPS site seconds ago.

Now before anyone jumps the gun, this isn't any kind of accusation. I am well aware of the USPS's tendency to be days behind on these updates. I have, more than once, received a package 2 days before that very message changed on their site.

What is the point of having a "tracking system" online, if it doesn't update until after delivery?
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 04, 2009, 10:24:52 PM
sighs.

I guess we could lock the topic until official updates are posted....
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 04, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
I won't say anything else. Sorry. just throwing a dig at the post office.

(thought maybe a dig at a non-board related entity might be a welcome and humorous change)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: morrisart85 on September 04, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
I think at this point this thread has run it's course. If this were a dead horse, it would be atomized.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: hullbreach on September 04, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
Regardless some pointless posts, this topic should remain open until all of our business is done.

As for USPS "tracking", it's garbage. As an example, a few weeks ago I'd ordered a Dominix from Ultra Sabers. The USPS site listed the same "does not indicate receipt by..." notice even after I'd received my package.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Reaver on September 04, 2009, 11:21:42 PM
As for USPS "tracking", it's garbage. As an example, a few weeks ago I'd ordered a Dominix from Ultra Sabers. The USPS site listed the same "does not indicate receipt by..." notice even after I'd received my package.

I know. That was my point. Their "tracking" is little more then saying they have the record of the number in their system. Pointless.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: Darth Matth on September 05, 2009, 02:07:28 AM
Now finally we're making progress.
Thank God.

Darth Tyranus, I know this is a weight lifted from your shoulders.
Your doing the other sabers yourself, as you wrote.
You can oversee it more now it's organized, since the mountain is gone.

Jango Fett,... well what can I say,...
The weight is on yours now.
We are very greatfull that you are doing this.
I know I am.
It's up to you now.

Good luck and MTFBWY
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 08, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19849.0 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19849.0)

This thread is now locked until the list is posted.

Once the list is posted, I will reopen the thread.
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on September 12, 2009, 12:54:09 PM
The WIP list is posted here for those subscribed to the thread.

http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19998.msg301527#msg301527 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=19998.msg301527#msg301527)
Title: Re: FINALLY! Overlord Mega Update!
Post by: JANGO FETT on November 17, 2009, 08:19:02 PM
Update
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21358.msg318009#msg318009 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21358.msg318009#msg318009)