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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2017, 08:13:02 PM »
As it stands now there HAVE to be multiple production companies to fund these kinds of films.  Just taking a look at the actor's salaries being in the tens of millions of dollars, no single production company could conceivably foot the bill for an entire movie.

That being said, whether we like it or not Star Wars has long abandoned being the vision of a rogue filmmaker.  In fact there are very few movies today that are.  Star Wars is a product.  It's a brand.  It's no longer art in the sense that it once was.  That's not to say that it's bad.  It's just different.

Could Star Wars be artful once more?  It's hard to say.  I have hope that it could be.  I sincerely believe that the people in charge of making these films genuinely love them.  Will they make some crappy ones?  Sure.  But they may just yet make some great ones.  I have to say though that I just shake my head in shame when I hear people say that Rogue One is the best Star Wars film ever made.  I honestly don't even recall half of it.  Even the prequels were more memorable.  Bad films but at least memorable.   

The Original Trilogy will ALWAYS be the pinnacle by which not only other Star Wars films are judged, but benchmarks by which ALL movies are judged.  They will always reign supreme and I am glad of it.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2017, 06:46:20 PM »
As it stands now there HAVE to be multiple production companies to fund these kinds of films.  Just taking a look at the actor's salaries being in the tens of millions of dollars, no single production company could conceivably foot the bill for an entire movie.

That being said, whether we like it or not Star Wars has long abandoned being the vision of a rogue filmmaker.  In fact there are very few movies today that are.  Star Wars is a product.  It's a brand.  It's no longer art in the sense that it once was.  That's not to say that it's bad.  It's just different.

Could Star Wars be artful once more?  It's hard to say.  I have hope that it could be.  I sincerely believe that the people in charge of making these films genuinely love them.  Will they make some crappy ones?  Sure.  But they may just yet make some great ones.  I have to say though that I just shake my head in shame when I hear people say that Rogue One is the best Star Wars film ever made.  I honestly don't even recall half of it.  Even the prequels were more memorable.  Bad films but at least memorable.   

The Original Trilogy will ALWAYS be the pinnacle by which not only other Star Wars films are judged, but benchmarks by which ALL movies are judged.  They will always reign supreme and I am glad of it.
I was with you up till the last paragraph. all 6 movies which told georges original story are important..
and yeah, I hate to say but star wars now is almost just a brand. the new movies will be fine, sure, but they won't carry the passion or magical element that were in the original 6. thats why the movies are almost watered down-LFL doesn't even produce the movies anymore. I might get a lot of hate for saying it but I miss George

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #77 on: May 13, 2017, 10:26:19 PM »
I think we are in agreement for the most part.  I concede that the prequels (though they are bad films) are definitely the work of Lucas's vision brought to life, which was uniquely his own.  I disliked most of his creative decisions on those, but I have to give the man credit for making the films the way HE wanted to.  Even if I didn't like them.

The Star Wars story group is just that.  A group.  That's not to say that they can't come up with some really great ideas.  It's just a different way of making films.  There are almost no directors like the ones that came out of the 70's and 80's who are true visionaries who make unique and distinctly different kinds of films.  98% of what gets released these days is just created by marketing heads for mega corporations that only care about the bottom line.  Movies are a business first and rarely an art these days. 

I know Disney fits that description, but I do think that if they give the greenlight to talented directors and writers Star Wars could be great.  TFA wasn't perfect but it was a step in the right direction as far as creating new characters that I could get behind. 

I'm hopeful that The Last Jedi will continue to move in the right direction.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2017, 04:31:39 PM »
Could Star Wars be artful once more?  It's hard to say.  I have hope that it could be.  I sincerely believe that the people in charge of making these films genuinely love them.  Will they make some crappy ones?  Sure.  But they may just yet make some great ones.  I have to say though that I just shake my head in shame when I hear people say that Rogue One is the best Star Wars film ever made.  I honestly don't even recall half of it.  Even the prequels were more memorable.  Bad films but at least memorable.   

I liked Rogue One - wouldn't say its the best, but one of the best, yes. While it may not be artful, they did try some new things in RO, and the ending was taking a risk. They didn't have to end that way with the Sam Peckinpah ending. I think that's a big reason it did well. Looking forward to TLJ. 

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« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2017, 06:14:54 PM »
I'm glad they made Rogue One and that they took chances on trying to do new things with the franchise.  I just didn't care about the characters at all.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2017, 07:51:36 PM »
I liked the ending of Rogue One and thought it did a nice job tying in to SW Ep.IV ANH. I agree with Psab that it was good they took some chances even though the R1 characters were not very memorable and also imo not nearly as interesting as the characters in Ep. VII TFA - I think Rey, Finn and Poe are worthy successors to the OT triumvirate and well acted even though the story in TFA was rather disappointing [and Ren is just not as menacing as Vader and imo never will be; they shouldnt have shown Ren's face in TFA at all that was a terrible error]. I can only hope that with Ep. VIII TLJ maybe oh please this once they will get good characterization AND good storytelling in a new SW movie done right. Well I can hope eh?
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »
I disagree about Kylo Ren, I thought they did a great job with him. I think the writers of TFA knew they were never going to make a villain as intimidating or iconic as Darth Vader, so did the opposite: they went with the flawed, Vader wannabe that is Kylo Ren and gave him an unstable, makeshift lightsaber to match his fiery and uneven personality. Hopefully we get to see his further training in this movie, I think that would create a really cool dynamic seeing Rey and him grow stronger at the same time.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2017, 03:14:26 PM »
It would be cool to see Kylo train with Snoke the way Luke trained with Yoda in Empire.  Just the Sith version.  That would be a really cool story reversal.

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« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2017, 01:30:54 PM »
That would be cool but I'm imagining a training montage similar to RockyIV  :cheesy:
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2017, 04:24:59 PM »
Kylo Ren's unstable lightsaber reflects his unstable personality? Hmmm that makes perfect sense form a character-creation point of view, so I'll give JJ and co props for that.

Yeah I'd like to see Snoke training him in TLJ too - we've never really seen what SITH training is like onscreen so that could be a really interesting addition to the mythos.

It could be interesting if they alternated between scenes of Luke training Rey and Snoke training Ren to highlight the similarities and differences...wouldnt have to necessarily be like the Rocky IV alternating Drago and Rocky training montage though that could be an option or they could alternate longer scenes but to contrast the probably brutal training methods of the Sith with those of the Jedi could be very dramatically valid and really ought to be done to distinguish Rey and Ren further before their inevitable final showdown whether in this or the next movie. 
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #85 on: June 10, 2017, 09:19:08 AM »
do we know for certain that Snoke is a "sith"?
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi
« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2017, 10:00:34 AM »
do we know for certain that Snoke is a "sith"?

no because JJ Abrams said that Snoke and Ren aren't sith