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Title: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 07:17:19 AM
Greetings
There are some inconsistencies in the history of Overlord run 3, as listed in Alex's post on SaberForum.com http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14674#msg14674 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14674#msg14674) screenshot http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Alexspost.png (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Alexspost.png)
Overlord run 4 main thread.
http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.0 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.0).
A very inaccurate and disturbing post by Darth Wraith http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14697#msg14697 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14697#msg14697) screenshot http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Dwraithspost.png (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Dwraithspost.png)

Alex is probably not aware of them, as they occurred in council chambers at FX and Alex was not a Mod at the time.
The staff at FX went above and beyond trying to get the OV3 to it's customers. This I witnessed first hand.
Some examples:

Luke Skywalker offered to Fly out and pick them up, pack them and ship them to Me in FL or US HQ, TWICE... on his own dime. Several other prominent members, local to installer D offered to drive and do the same. All offers were refused.
Casey of Gemini concepts sent 200.00 to provide shipping costs for the sabers. These funds were never recovered.

Vader's Vault, Gemini Concepts, LDM/General Greivious offered to help with installs for free, if only the sabers could be organized and sent.

Of Note Arbiter Obi-Wan Kenoboi(2x sabers), and Mod Qui-Gon Jinn(1xsabers+US 2.0 soundboard) never received their sabers or a refund in the hopes that installer D would complete and ship them. There may be others, but I am not aware of them.

To get the Ball rolling, Yoda the FX-Sabers.com Site owner had to contact Installer D directly to get the sabers shipped to me in FL.
I was the public face of the run at this point and received a ton of PMs and angry, and  posts from members demanding updates. The package I received was contained 15 hilts, an incomplete set of parts and only 6 orders.

I had to start a thread to get the remaining orders, and then verify them. While doing this and waiting for parts time marched on. I accepted NO new clients and cleared my build log, so I could give the OV3 my full attention. It was a loss of income.

After a few months, I contacted Yoda and Alex, and informed them I was was send all the info and parts to US HQ as they had the parts to completed the run and get the sabers out. I then proceeded to accept new customers and rebuild my reputation among the community.
My involvement did not end there. I repaired 2 Overlords at Alex's request as warranty claims. I was not compensated for this.
If you wish to learn more about the history of OV3, please check this link. http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0)

I wish you the utmost success with Overlord run 4. My first non replica custom saber was an Overlord from run 2 with a US 1.1 installed. A wonderful saber, and I'm sure newer customers will agree. If you need measurements, for the emitter I have one left.

@Darth Wraith
Godwin's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)

  
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 There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

/This was posted on saberforum.com, but has been removed. http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg19241#msg19241 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg19241#msg19241)
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on June 22, 2011, 07:30:08 AM
Thanks for setting the record straight Jango...many of us who were Overlord customers caught in that debacle were not aware of all these details. I as one can only say to all of you who with the best of community spirit tried so hard 'behind the scenes' to make that unfortunately messed up situation right...it IS appreciated. Merci Beaucoup, Muchos Gracias, Thank You!
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: ANAKIN SKYWALKER on June 22, 2011, 07:37:33 AM
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=129.0

This link no worky.  Was the post deleted?
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Jaden Korr on June 22, 2011, 07:38:14 AM
I did not purchase an overlord, however I was a moderator during the scandal, and I saw firsthand what went down.

I wont go into detail but I will say this "aristocracy" that is accused of exisitng here, was the only people going to bat for the customers, and the only party making such efforts to bring a just resolution to the whole situation. From some offering to meet Derek in person and help ship them, to other offering their services with no expectations of compensation, to a few sending in their own money to pay to have the items shipped to the customers, of which nothing was shipped and money gone.

Thats your so called "Nazis" at work.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on June 22, 2011, 07:51:18 AM
I just want to add that I even chatted with Derek in the spring of 2010 when he expressed an interest in exiting the hobby with a clean slate,  in case he ever decided to return.  I offered to DRIVE there and pick up the rest of the orders in person,  as he is located only a few hours from me and he balked at the suggestion,  which leaves it open to interpretation as to whether or not he  actually still had possession of the Overlords and their assorted parts.

So,  while I am still out a couple hundred dollars worth of saber and soundboard,  I'm just chalking it up to experience and moving on.  It's in that past,  and I'd like to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 07:57:04 AM
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=129.0

This link no worky.  Was the post deleted?

whoops, Fixed
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0)

Big section. lotta posts. happy reading
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Jin Ke on June 22, 2011, 08:16:26 AM
I don't really think the point of bringing this issue back up is to create a war of forums.....   ::)   The point of the Jango's post is set the record straight on a issue that we would never like to see happen again... 
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: ANAKIN SKYWALKER on June 22, 2011, 08:18:20 AM
I don't really think the point of bringing this issue back up is to create a war of forums.....   ::)   The point of the Jango's post is set the record straight on a issue that we would never like to see happen again... 

Yeah, I wasn't trying to say he was, just pointing it out.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 08:33:30 AM
No, I'm not trying to start a forum war. Just setting the facts straight.
Lots of members tried to help get run 3 out the door and/or lost money on it, and that should be acknowledged.

I do not believe 90% of the thread insults the fX-sabers.com community and staff. Maybe just a post or two.
They are a nice welcoming community, just maybe a little to much roleplaying.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 09:21:07 AM
Screw it, you guys REALLY want to re-hash this after all this time?   I was just trying to give the people on my forum a little hint at why the Overlord is a sore spot for me without re-opening the wound.  My post was purposefully vague so as to not call anyone out, but I can see such simple nuance is beyond some people.  Of course, Jango, you helped out considerably and did your part.  Did I not thank you enough those years ago?  Do you need public recognition now from people who have no clue who you are?  I didn't take anything away from you, it's like I said in my post:

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Everyone did what they were supposed to do except one of the people entrusted with assembly.


No, I didn't go into further detail, but a dissertation on the subject isn't warranted for a group of people who were not there at the time.  Most of them had no clue what the Overlord was, much less who any of the people you mentioned are.  Why bring up all that unpleasantness?

The only other thing I said that you touched on was:

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Of course, Ultra Sabers stood behind the project, so I had to compensate for all the stolen parts out of my pocket alone.  No one else involved with the project had to bear any of that burden.

I'm pretty sure this is true unless other people chipped in to pay for stolen parts that I am not aware of??  Did anyone happen to pay for my lathe?  You can just paypal it to me, thanks.

The other "contributions" offered up were indeed offers, but not ones that could be taken up on.  Offering to help, and actually helping, are two very different things.  Offering to help build sabers to which the PARTS WERE STOLEN, doesn't help because the sabers can't be built... you know... because of the stolen parts?  Sending a thief more money... uh huh... that doesn't help.    He already stole my lathe, my parts, and ruined my rep - you think he would care about your 200 bucks??  

Offering to meet said thief at his house??  A guy that was described as "unstable" and "brain tumor guy"....  bad idea, you think??  The good intentions were appreciated, but the loss I suffered from him stealing my lathe and the tooling was a couple grand alone, not to mention the missing hilts, LEDs, sound boards, etc...  And I had already paid Derek to build ALL the Overlords, so I was out that money, too.  Now when did I ever come to anyone and ask for help covering those losses?  Never.  I paid for all of it.  Like I said, I didn't put the burden of the stolen parts on anyone else - and that's all I was saying.

Now, if you want to get all over me for not going into detail, what you said here should infuriate Mike and me both:

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Yoda the FX-Sabers.com Site owner had to contact Installer D directly to get the sabers shipped to me in FL.

Uhm... no... It wasn't just "Mike called Derek and he did it".  No.  We tried that, numerous times, and Derek lied to us and then just started ignoring us.  We had to make a pretty drastic commitment to get it resolved.  Mike and I both had to threaten our once close friend that we would fly up to Muncie and actually press charges of grand theft against him.  And it couldn't be some idle threat; we had to actually commit to doing it.  We had to get the cops on board, push to have a detective put on the case and then make sure the DA would actually issue a warrant and have it executed while we were there.  This was no quick process; coordinating with law enforcement isn't as easy as it looks on CSI.

But we finally got our ducks in a row, we made the threat and put our cards on the table...  only THEN, did 15 of the 30+ hilts make it out of Derek's.  Yeah, Josh, we were a hair away from hopping a jet across the nation to have one of the most prominent members of this community, and a friend we knew for years, thrown in the slammer.  Who do you think would have financed that little excursion?  You?  "The Council"?  And I was fully prepped and ready to do it because I said I would do whatever it took to get those sabers - and many people refused refunds, they didn't want their piddly 140 bucks, they wanted a freakin Overlord and didn't care what xxx it put anyone through to get one so long as they got their precious!

Again, pardon me for not making every single thing we do a public affair.  I know yall THRIVE on every juicy bit of drama there on Jerry Springer Sabers, but to me and most civilized people I know, this type of unpleasantness is on a need to know basis.  But since you, Allaerra, and god knows who else is xxx bent on coming to my forum and stirring this up all over again, well, there you have it, the wound is open to fester once more!!  You really think this trip down memory lane betters your community?  If so, then it's no community I want to be part of.  My community likes to focus more on the positive and have fun... because lightsabers are supposed to be fun, or have you forgotten?

To be honest, I really don't care anymore.  Have your drama, eat it all up, choke on it.  It's like vitamins to you people.  My original post was made over a month ago; I had forgotten all about it, but I can always count on the team here to drudge up old forgotten grievances...  go team.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: IndustrialAction on June 22, 2011, 09:46:55 AM
EDITED.

Decided I don't feel like being involved.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Jm419 on June 22, 2011, 09:51:22 AM
Guys, we don't need a wedge between two of the most prominent forums.  This doesn't have to be my forum vs. your forum, our guys vs. your guys.  

I think it's hard for anyone on either side to have a good idea of everything that went on.  From what I'm reading, it seems that everyone (save one installer) performed admirably to get this run out, and many people lost money - some more than others - but it looks, to me, like everyone did their very best to help save the run.  Of course one perspective is going to be different from another, right?  We all had different viewpoints, and of course, they're not going to line up 100% of the time.  I was a brand new member here when this was starting up, and I didn't really have any idea what was going on - but looking back at some of the histories, the only point that I can really see is that one person took money/parts which didn't belong to them and ran - which is really the cause of all this arguing, isn't it?

Everyone tried their hardest to get these out.  I understand that those efforts were mildly successful.  Is it necessary to continue pointing fingers, calling names?  

Come on.  This is supposed to be fun - now let's just agree to disagree and move on.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Alcfalath on June 22, 2011, 09:53:09 AM
Ultra,

A civil tongue was used on your forums, trying to help explain past events to the over excited, jubilant, and impish members getting a tad too fanatical and jumping to conclusions, as well as trying to curb nasty insults and insinuations that were being spread by a member of both forums. Please consider that your last post is, regardless of your point of view, out of line and im sure a breach of the CoC. A civil tongue would be appreciated here as well.

Personally I have no personal beef with anyone in this issue on either forum. However, I think some people need to read all the posts, write up their long winded replies of angst and butthurts, take a nice 'cool-off' walk away from the screen, then come back. Re-read everything that was just written, and ask themselves.

"Is this the person I want to be, and for people to see me as?"

If not, re-write or delete. However if you can still justify pressing enter, then do so.

In any case... just like you have said numerous times... enough with the drama.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 10:01:55 AM
@Ultra, I did not know the level of effort in "forcing" D to send the parts. Yoda, D, or even yourself never spoke of it.

My purpose was to educate.
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There are some inconsistencies in the history of Overlord run 3, as listed in Alex's post on SaberForum.com
Alex is probably not aware of them, as they occurred in council chambers at FX and Alex was not a Mod at the time.
That's all. Both to you and your forum members.
In the end, Ultrasabers stepped up and got it done. No one is denying that.


Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
I didn't post a history, I posted like, 2 paragraphs bottom lining it and the few details I gave were true.  Excuse me for not laying out a case file and posting the minutes, but a complete account would take pages.  And I didn't even read all of Wraith's post and didn't even know you were responding to a post that was made a month ago on the 2nd page of a 5 page thread.   ::)

But if it bothered you, you could have contacted me.  

Why is it I can call you when I am going to release a Sith Stalker inspired saber, just out of courtesy and respect for your work on the cannon version, but you can't contact me if you have a problem with a post on my forum?  Why do you have to make your very first post an argumentative rebuttal to a post made a month prior?  That's not respectful, that is coming into my house and picking a fight with one of my guests.  Call your post whatever you want, but respectful it was not.

Whenever I have an issue with a post made on this site, I just call Mike.  You can call me, too, I know you have the number, and I know Josh does too.  He butt-dialed me May 31st, 2:41pm PST.  Yeah, dude, check your call log, it's there.   :D
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Darth Raijlin on June 22, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
I thought I did a good job in organizing "Overlord Run 2" I must say so myself.  *pats on the back*.

LOL ... some of the ways I did it even stuck, like color coordinating the PAID list and such.

"One" of the few good things I did as Vader I guess.  LOL ... anal retentive in organizing things.   :D
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Shadeslinger on June 22, 2011, 10:15:16 AM
Yeah, so I hate to derail, but since we're in this section of the forum...has anyone seen an Elder w/ sound lying around here anywhere??

...just kidding. ;D
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Darth Raijlin on June 22, 2011, 10:22:53 AM
Shade, if you find it ... it's probably next to my JSS (no not Judge Sabersmith) Anakin AOTC conversion ....   ;)

If you find it, could you send it to me.  Eh ... nvm.  I wrote that off a long time ago.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on June 22, 2011, 10:29:26 AM
One thing's for sure, this is the longest Internet outage in the history of the state of Indiana!  Can someone please make a phone call and get a truck down there already.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 10:33:39 AM
Threadjack breaker.

I do not see the disrespect, unless you are referring to my response to Darth Wraith's post. His post was out of line and up for almost a month, and condoned. :o
That part of my response could have been removed along with his post, and I would not have minded.
His post was out of line and up for almost a month. I felt his needed a public reply with examples to show it is not true.

Next Time, if there is one, I will use the report to moderator function or call.  
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Master Jedye on June 22, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
The other "contributions" offered up were indeed offers, but not ones that could be taken up on.  Offering to help, and actually helping, are two very different things.  Offering to help build sabers to which the PARTS WERE STOLEN, doesn't help because the sabers can't be built... you know... because of the stolen parts? Sending a thief more money... uh huh... that doesn't help.    He already stole my lathe, my parts, and ruined my rep - you think he would care about your 200 bucks??

Actually, I (along with others) sent him money.  We didn't send money to a thief, as you say....he was a "friend" and a mentor to many of us.  As I'm sure you didn't send a lathe to a thief...right?  None of us could have known what Derek would have done and how poorly this would reflect on the community.
Please don't trivialize my contribution because to me... that was a lot of money.  A lot of money on something that I had nothing to do with, other than to see the fiasco finally over.   I sent him that money because he said everything was ready... he just needed to ship it out but he had no money.  So I paid for the shipping of all those sabers, he told me it was 22 sabers.  (Bear in mind, I never ordered an Overlord... again, I had no stake in this, other than to see it over).   I just wanted to help a friend out of a rut.  Again, at the time, he was a friend.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Jaden Korr on June 22, 2011, 11:23:08 AM
I do not see any drama or disrespect here...

Misinformation was posted on your site. People from here posted very polite and curtious posts on your site just simply stating that what was stated was not necessarily true, and they did it without attacking anyone. And their posts were deleted by Alex, promptly, while Darth Wraiths posts remained, and Alex's post that agreed with and supported Wraiths also remained. So you see if there was any disrespect and/or drama it was Alex's doing. Thats not an attack either just a very obvious observation.

I believe it was only right that those "nazis" and "aristocrats" post here, on there own turf, to set the record straight.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Gil Gamesh on June 22, 2011, 11:41:52 AM
I'm quite surprised at the hostility spewing forth in response to non-inflamatory posts and posts of clarification across different boards these days.  I saw the response given Juliajulia there yesterday.  I read the ones here.  Very sad coming from what I thought were  mature venues.  Makes me feel like I'm at the Jr. High lunch table arguing over who is Justin Biebers biggest fan.  Or jockying for the back seat in the bus.  That seat is taken already though, cuz I'm the coolest kid on the short bus, sorry.

I'ma just say this: feedback is feedback, and as much as someone may not like it, if there are positive or negative things to say, they will find an outlet to say them and someone not liking it only hurts their image by responding out of anger or emotion to said feedback. 
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 11:48:58 AM
You were another victim, I sympathize, and I do not belittle your loss.

I was just pointing out that your loss didn't help things, despite your best intentions.  It's regrettable.  I'm not being hypocritical, me losing my lathe didn't contribute, either.  Well, I guess we contributed to the tragedy of the whole thing, but not to the resolution.

Derek's landlord, ISP, and phone company can chime in here anytime...
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on June 22, 2011, 12:44:39 PM
I had no intention of actually going to Derek's house,  I had tried to get him to meet me halfway in Fort Wayne at a,neutral site like a restaurant or store and exchange the saber and other parts.  He also explained to me the situation on that lathe.  I said no because if he still owed you money on it,  it would be no different than stealing it from you myself.  I still wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt up until them,  but soon after I gave up on him,  and now see him as the thief everyone else does.  I would personally like to consider the matter closed and move on.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: COUNT DOOKU on June 22, 2011, 12:47:47 PM
I know nothing about the past overlord runs except from what I have read from members on this, and Ultra's Forum...

However, I find it interesting that Ultra has responded venomously and sarcastically in every response... and the "elitists/Nazis" have been most civil and reserved in their posts regarding this topic...

Something to think about...
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 12:56:20 PM
A very inaccurate and disturbing post by Darth Wraith http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14697#msg14697 (http://www.saberforum.com/index.php?topic=1331.msg14697#msg14697) screenshot http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Dwraithspost.png (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/OV4%20thread/Dwraithspost.png)

See, man, this is why I simply can't believe a thing you say anymore.  You seem to come at me with a legit concern - you don't like the word Nazi being thrown around, it's hurtful to Jews, or as you put it:

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Darth Wraith's post is offensive to any member of the Hebrew faith that is aware of the full meaning of the word Nazi.

I wondered if the Soup Nazi caused you the same amount of concern, but then you hit me with:

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For the record my girlfriend is Jewish.

Ok, fair enough, I remove the post.  And what do you do?  You make a screenshot and post it for all to read.  You even upload it to photobucket, thus ensuring it lives on for all eternity in Google's image database.   ::)  Oh yeah, that really brings down that cruel message of hate...

Why did you want me to remove the post if you were just going to make a permanent copy on this forum?  You gotta know images never get deleted once published on the net, it gets cached a billion times and will always be retrievable from then on.  Only teenage girls with camera phones don't know this.

If you wanted the post removed for the reasons you stated, you would be GLAD it's down, you wouldn't be immortalizing it.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 01:17:09 PM
It's in a locked non public photobucket album. Only those with a direct link can view it.
Would you prefer I had quoted the entire post at the being of the thread?

Since the can of worms is open by your posting my PMs out of context, here's the full account.

My PM exchange with Alex on SF

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I did not break any of the rules of your forum or state anything that is not untrue or verifiable.
Darth Wraith's post is offensive to any member of the Hebrew faith that is aware of the full meaning of the word Nazi. Letting his post stand will cost you more than it gains

Weather you realize it or not ALL of my actions concerning Ultrasabers and it's staff have been to make it better. Dealing with customer services issues by deleting them or being belligerent is wrong.

Sincerly,
Josh
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Had you actually read the rules, you would have posted an acknowledgement in the thread as instructed.

Your post was removed because you came here for the sole purpose to argue/cause drama.  Your post served no other purpose but to cause more unpleasantness among the community here.  That violates the very first rule.  This is not a drama forum.  You have TCSS, JSS, and FX to cause all the drama you'd like - that's what they are good for and it's what those forums promote and thrive on.  I don't tolerate that shell here and I'm not going to let a bunch of butt-hurt FX-Sabers mods stir up shell over a 1 month old post regarding something that happened years ago.

BTW, have you EVER seen me wander into another manufacturer's forum and start shell with them?  No, you haven't.  But so far it's been Vader's Vault here this morning starting shell, and now you.  Even Tim and I have enough civility to stay off each other's forums.

Frankly, Allaerra making an account just to post her BS this morning was a xxx move, and you doing it too... well, yeah... xxx move.

If you want to bring something to my attention that bugs you, you got my number, so does she.  If you can't bring yourself to call, don't post it on the forum.

Now then, if you actually want to interact with members of the community here, feel free.  If you were just hoping to "set things straight" with that Overlord topic, you can just move along.  It's a sore spot for everyone.  I stopped posting about it a month ago, follow the lead.

As for Wraith's use of the word Nazi; you're the only person to even mention it and I have a hard time believing that National Socialism keeps you up at night.  Perhaps you hate Seinfeld and Family Guy and you're just projecting?
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My purpose was to educate and refute Darth Wraith's post.
He said the Staff at FX is unhelpful. Untrue, and you know it. Or at least now know it.
You posted the cost of the run was all on you, also untrue.

By not correcting your own post when with the facts you insult the ones that help BOTH of us out during OV3.
By letting Draith Wraith's post stand you condone it.

For the record my girlfriend is Jewish.
 

Alex's reply.
A refutation is by definition an argument.  You came here to argue.  If you wanted to educate, you could have added to the conversation without agitating it with refutations.

The staff at FX is by and large an unhelpful group of narcissists that are only needed because Mike doesn't know how to program his own anti-spammer bots.  Some exceptions exist, of course, but unfortunately, you are known by your associates.  I know this all too well... I had Emory...  ::)

I said I had to compensate for all the STOLEN PARTS out of my pocket alone, not that I bore the cost of the entire run - that would be absurd.

Nothing in my post is untrue, but I didn't go into gory detail, either.  Why would I with a bunch of people so unattached to the event?

I haven't even read his post all the way, it's long, hard to follow, and he's just a kid.  You want me to remove it?  If that will make you feel better, I will.  There, done.

She is?  Is this the same girlfriend or a new one?

If attacking my integrity and honesty is the way you wanna go. We can take this further.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
I know nothing about the past overlord runs except from what I have read from members on this, and Ultra's Forum...

However, I find it interesting that Ultra has responded venomously and sarcastically in every response... and the "elitists/Nazis" have been most civil and reserved in their posts regarding this topic...

Something to think about...

Yeah, or, maybe you could think about this:

The FX-Sabers staff created this thread in the best interests of the community?  How so?  This drama isn't on my forum, it's on YOURS.

If either one of these people had truly been concerned/hurt/whatever - they both have my number, both have my email, both could have solved this amicably by simply contacting me, and this would have taken place professionally behind the scenes - just like Yoda and I do all the time.  

No, they chose the public route instead.  Do you think Tim would ever come on my forum and start arguing with one of my customers?  Have I ever gone into another manufacturer's forum and started arguing with them and their patrons?  Absolutely not.

Demonize me all you want, but I'm not the one who brought this bag of dog poop into your living room.

Oh, and Jango, point remains, if you were so upset by the Nazi stuff, why screen shot it and publish it?  We know why.  You're a drama queen.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: KI-ADI-MUNDI on June 22, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
No I think it's better that the post of Darth Wraths is out there for all to see what you find as acceptable on your site...  I think your post after should be documented as well... You only took those posts down today not because you wanted to show your understanding for how someone could be offended... but because you finely saw how ugly those words are and you wanted to hide them...
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: COUNT DOOKU on June 22, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
I know nothing about the past overlord runs except from what I have read from members on this, and Ultra's Forum...

However, I find it interesting that Ultra has responded venomously and sarcastically in every response... and the "elitists/Nazis" have been most civil and reserved in their posts regarding this topic...

Something to think about...

Yeah, or, maybe you could think about this:

The FX-Sabers staff created this thread in the best interests of the community?  How so?  This drama isn't on my forum, it's on YOURS.

If either one of these people had truly been concerned/hurt/whatever - they both have my number, both have my email, both could have solved this amicably by simply contacting me, and this would have taken place professionally behind the scenes - just like Yoda and I do all the time.  

No, they chose the public route instead.  Do you think Tim would ever come on my forum and start arguing with one of my customers?  Have I ever gone into another manufacturer's forum and started arguing with them and their patrons?  Absolutely not.

Demonize me all you want, but I'm not the one who brought this bag of dog poop into your living room.

When I originally read this thread, I saw it as an informative post. Letting many of us who are ignorant know exactly the history and relationships between this run of  sabers. I did not see any fault of yours in the thread, as it was stated you were most probably ignorant in the proceedings. I did not see in any way drama, personal attacks, or unfairness.

Rather, I saw clarification of the past runs and a blessing on the V4 run of the Overlord.

You are correct, many things  the go on should happen behind the scenes. Consumers do not need to know every little political detail that goes into a business. I think also though, the customer should be aware of some things that pertain to risk. It is my understanding with the last run not every customer received a saber. Regardless of who is to blame, they should be aware of that, and take that past history into consideration.

I cannot speak for Tim, nor is he part of this discussion. I am not part of a saber business, so I do not have the authority or experience to effectively answer this question.

I do not attempt to demonize anyone, nor make anyone seem better than they are. I take facts, feedback, and people's words, and make an observation based on those criteria. I did not say you were wrong, merely noting your responses were not kind and emotionally packed. I also noted the others were not. That's all.

Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
If attacking my integrity and honesty is the way you wanna go. We can take this further.

Why dance around this, Josh, just by creating this thread you made your intentions pretty clear.  You fired the first shot across the bow and when given every the chance to let it die, you "unjacked" it to get right back to the drama at hand.  

You want to go to war; you saw a good excuse to get into the limelight again and you took it.  Perhaps before you commit Mike's site to this war, you should consult with him first?  Hard to do since he's out of town, but that would be the proper thing before turning something that doesn't belong to you into your own little battlefield of righteous indignation.

No I think it's better that the post of Darth Wraths is out there for all to see what you find as acceptable on your site...  I think your post after should be documented as well... You only took those posts down today not because you wanted to show your understanding for how someone could be offended... but because you finely saw how ugly those words are and you wanted to hide them...

LOL, you actually think I would remove those posts for fear of public opinion?  You obviously don't know a thing about me or my forum posting history, bub.  Did you get into this hobby yesterday?  Those posts were up for a MONTH, and I only took them down because of Josh and Deanna.  That's all I cared about.  It bugged them,quite a bit apparently, so I took them down.  But hey, if you want those posts to be out there for all to see, Deanna and Josh should encourage me to reinstate them, right?

Come on, how disingenuous do you think they are?  They would never tell me it's ok to reinstate the posts when they were so adamant that the proper thing to do would be to remove them.  Doing so would sound almost political...
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Nightwing on June 22, 2011, 01:47:11 PM
Honestly, I hate this thread. 
I saw some of the original problem unfold, or maybe it was just residual, im not sure, but I thought it was over.  Any way, I hate how permeant members of this hobby have turned from people helping each other (anyone else remember the donation saber??) to attacking each other.
I understand that the original purpose was to set the record straight, but why not leave it at that?  I love and visit both forums frequently, and have no negative feelings towards either side, but everyone who is hurling an insult is at fault right now. 

Please, for the love of the force and the hobby, just stop.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 01:48:27 PM
I was done after this post.
http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=31241.msg423589#msg423589 (http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=31241.msg423589#msg423589)

Your post attacked my motives for doing this, which I stated earlier in the thread.
I have not called you any names or maligned your forum in any post.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on June 22, 2011, 01:48:45 PM
@ Ultra

I have stayed out of this thread so please stop dragging me back into this.  I told you privately why I posted on your forum.  I appreciate you removing Darth Wraith's post and your post trashing the staff here.  Thank you for doing that.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Ultra on June 22, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
Alright, that's enough beef for one day.  The offending posts are gone, so that should be the end of it.  Peace.
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: Luke S. on June 22, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
The FX-Sabers staff created this thread in the best interests of the community?  How so?  This drama isn't on my forum, it's on YOURS.

If either one of these people had truly been concerned/hurt/whatever - they both have my number, both have my email, both could have solved this amicably by simply contacting me, and this would have taken place professionally behind the scenes - just like Yoda and I do all the time.  


Actually the drama started on your forum.  Allaera posted some facts since the post of wraith was attacking our site and the facts weren't close to true.  We all know that your forum will be white washed. Sure we have some drama but we don't delete threads that are negative to our site or products.  Case in point. Allaeras post.

Jango didnt fire the first shot across your bow.  That was done by you that also prompted wraiths post.  You even admitted that you " opened up the can of worms so wraiths post could stay".  You admitted on your own forum that you shot first.  BTW I still think Han should have shot first. Don't blame it on jango especially when you already admitted fault.

If wraiths post was up that long than that should be a pretty good indication that none of the mods here are registered there. If we were this would have come out minutes or hours after the post.

Everything jango said about me was true.  I offered to fly from CT on IN on my time and money to box everything up take it to my house and ship it to the appropriate party.  I offered twice. I was also the last one to speak with Derek. He called me out of the blue when artvic sent him money for shipping again that was stolen.  Dt said I was one of the only ones he trusted and wanted me to help him get everything out. After two long winded phone cons in one week he once again disappeared never to be heard from again.  

This is actually a pretty tame thread compared to some we've had.  No one has sworn at me yet.  Should we add politics and religion to really get it going?

Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: COUNT DOOKU on June 22, 2011, 02:34:01 PM
Uh, Luke, The dude said he was finished...
Title: Re: Overlord Run 3: A History lesson & FX staff involvement
Post by: JANGO FETT on June 22, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
I think this has run it's course.

Locked.