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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2018, 04:21:00 AM »
I much prefer JJ to Rian for directing these movies but in retrospect I don't really like what he did with TFA either. Not as much as I dislike the plot of TLJ though. TFA begins by saying the empire control the galaxy. This pretty much destroys any notion of a "chosen one" or bringing balance to the force which Luke was trained for, and accomplished when he defeated Vader and the Emperor. TFA's beginning craps on the hopeful end of ROTJ and the last 20 years worth of Star Wars fan theories and (now) non-canon lore. Disney only understand money and as long as "fans" keep paying to go to the cinema they will churn out whatever they like. The main storyline of Star Wars is pretty much dead at this point so we will never get the story we wanted. It's sad but regardless of how amazing E9 may be, it's pretty impossible to make it any good with the main characters all being dead.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2018, 09:24:17 AM »
I much prefer JJ to Rian for directing these movies but in retrospect I don't really like what he did with TFA either. Not as much as I dislike the plot of TLJ though. TFA begins by saying the empire control the galaxy. This pretty much destroys any notion of a "chosen one" or bringing balance to the force which Luke was trained for, and accomplished when he defeated Vader and the Emperor. TFA's beginning craps on the hopeful end of ROTJ and the last 20 years worth of Star Wars fan theories and (now) non-canon lore. Disney only understand money and as long as "fans" keep paying to go to the cinema they will churn out whatever they like. The main storyline of Star Wars is pretty much dead at this point so we will never get the story we wanted. It's sad but regardless of how amazing E9 may be, it's pretty impossible to make it any good with the main characters all being dead.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2018, 01:28:32 AM »
Star Wars is dead and Rian Johnson killed it. 

I will not bother buying this movie and I'm honestly considering skipping Solo and Episode 9. 

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2018, 09:04:30 AM »
for me,  my 'Star Wars' is like a neglected houseplant that hasn't seen sun or water in a long time.  it is withered and near-death, but there's still a tiny bit of green left on one of the leaves.  if someone were to rescue it / water it /nurture it, and place it back in the sunshine, then it might just survive.  it's not completely dead yet, but it is definitely "near death" and running on its last legs.  so to speak.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2018, 04:25:21 AM »
Now that RJ is writing 10-12 I'd be placing that neglected house plant out in the next lightning storm and hope that Yoda can guide another lightning bolt to it like he did to the tree in TLJ and burn it to the ground putting it out of its misery. It's dead mate, it just doesn't know it yet.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2018, 08:32:25 AM »
I was horrified that they signed on RJ.  I expect Solo will not make the opening day truckload of cash it should have.  Certainly plenty will flock to see it, perhaps even many who didn't even see TLJ, for the nostalgia.  Donald Glover will certainly fill some seats, and perhaps Emilia Clarke.

RJ took something once beautiful, with a grain of potential, and transformed it into the kind of "art piece" that makes people say "how is that art?"

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »
TFA was OK. It's criticised as a reboot of ANH but it's tolerable as it was kicking off a new trilogy and had to establish the characters. And there were lots of things that had potential. Who is Rey, why did Luke's saber call to her, what was the relevance of her force vision, how did Maz get the saber, who is Snoke, why is he so powerful, how can he complete KR's training but not be a sith, who are the Knights of Ren, how do they fit in with the rule of two, how was KR talking to the spirit of Vader when the sith cannot become one with the force, is Luke going to kick some xxx in 8 and will we see the 3 force spirits from ROTJ, what happened to the rest of Luke's students etc.

As true fans know SW is really about the battle between the Jedi and the Sith. If you think about the OT, the rebellion is always there but it's something that's going on in the background where as in the sequel movies it's all about the resistance and the Jedi vs Sith is pushed to the background.

The complete lack of respect RJ paid to the rules established in all the other movies is staggering. Obi gave his life to protect Luke as it was believed that Luke was their last hope but now we learn that if Luke was killed then the Force would have just created another wonder baby.

People say the Finn and Rose arc was irrelevant and I agree it was but just about every part of the movie was irrelevant or should have been done differently. Take any scene like say... Yoda's spirit. Yoda acts like a giggling 5 year old which he was only doing in ESB as he was trying to sum up Luke and not give away the fact he was a Jedi Master. He then said how much he missed young Skywalker giving the impression he hadn't spoken to him since ROTJ which amazed me as spirit Obi was popping up all over the place in the OT. Yoda burns down the Jedi tree which was empty, criticises the Jedi texts saying their not worth reading and then tells Luke to train Rey who's already leaving or left and then Luke forces himself to death afterwards anyway so as much as I loved seeing Yoda in the movie I was left thinking, like most of the movie, what was the point.

KK and her cronies all pat themselves on the back because they break records but that's only because we don't know it's crap until after we have paid to see it, but it's showing in their toy sales. They are blaming the economy and SW fatigue but it's because TLJ wasn't very good. Maybe someone should start an online protest with a commitment not to see the Ep9 for at least 2 weeks after it opens, that's the only way they will take notice $$$.

All Disney has to do is focus on kick xxx bad guys, the sith vs Jedi and awesome lightsaber duels, that's it... Simple. I'm pretty sure it's irreversible at this point though. The damage is done.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2018, 07:59:40 AM »
I just rewatched TLJ since I had a free rental credit from Google. I was, afterall, exhausted and sick the first time I saw it and had just spent the week moving.  So, with an open mind and a genuine desire to enjoy the movie so many seem to love, I fired it up.  It was even worse than I remembered.  To be honest, at this point it almost seems like many of my friends have seen an entirely different movie than I have.  We must live in some simulated reality and this is one of the experiments The Maker has inserted.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2018, 11:18:16 AM »
Apparenly "subversion" (as in subverting the viewers expectations) is the latest trend in movie and TV making. (You can thank Lost and Game of Thrones for that.) However, after watching TLJ, I am officially over it. Subversion for the sake of subversion is not good story telling.  I will not go see any movie with a "the end will surprise you" trailer and I will not watch any more tv shows with completely random and arbitrary stuff happening.

To sum it up: The plot of TLJ was so bad that it sank a whole category of movies and TV for me. :(


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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2018, 05:47:20 PM »
Apparenly "subversion" (as in subverting the viewers expectations) is the latest trend in movie and TV making. (You can thank Lost and Game of Thrones for that.) However, after watching TLJ, I am officially over it. Subversion for the sake of subversion is not good story telling.  I will not go see any movie with a "the end will surprise you" trailer and I will not watch any more tv shows with completely random and arbitrary stuff happening.

To sum it up: The plot of TLJ was so bad that it sank a whole category of movies and TV for me. :(

To extend that thought, I don't know why on Earth they didn't just put any of the hundreds of EU stories on the big screen instead of trying to go their own way making up nonsense stories with holes big enough to fly an X-wing through. I mean, there is no shortage of pretty good source material. Books have the benefit of being purely story-driven because they can't just throw special effects in your face to impress you. I feel like TLJ is centered around things that would "look cool" and then the story was an afterthought. The whole meaningless casino side quest, it was all just there to look cool and served no purpose whatsoever.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2018, 07:31:41 PM »


KK and her cronies all pat themselves on the back because they break records but that's only because we don't know it's crap until after we have paid to see it, but it's showing in their toy sales. They are blaming the economy and SW fatigue but it's because TLJ wasn't very good. Maybe someone should start an online protest with a commitment not to see the Ep9 for at least 2 weeks after it opens, that's the only way they will take notice $$$.


It's because the quality and variety of the toys has gone to pot.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #72 on: April 09, 2018, 02:55:55 AM »
My mum's reactions when watching TLJ for the first time after briefly watching the previous movies over the years:

- "I think shes Lukes daughter"
- "Fine you just stay there on your rock stupid man" - when Luke keeps dismissing Rey's requests to help.
- "That man is tall and really ugly" - Snoke in the throne room
- "Why is everyone doing their own thing in different places? It's like theres no plan or anything."
- "I bet that girl is his sister" - Talking of Rey and Kylo.
- "I'm 100% sure that girl is his Leia's daughter"
- "This movies depressing, they just keep fighting, losing and dying"
- "okay now she's dead too?" - When Rose saved Finn at the end
- "Wheres Luke!? the movies nearly finished, why even appear in the movie if he isn't going to do anything?"
- "Oh there he is.. Luke Skywalker! what's the point coming now, go back to your Island" - LOL
- "Oh he's not really there is he?..." - followed by a sigh
- "Oh so now he's going to die too"
- She had no final comments on the movie after it finished as if feeling defeated and frustrated by it all.

I love my mum lol

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2018, 09:29:23 AM »
Apparenly "subversion" (as in subverting the viewers expectations) is the latest trend in movie and TV making. (You can thank Lost and Game of Thrones for that.) However, after watching TLJ, I am officially over it. Subversion for the sake of subversion is not good story telling.  I will not go see any movie with a "the end will surprise you" trailer and I will not watch any more tv shows with completely random and arbitrary stuff happening.

To sum it up: The plot of TLJ was so bad that it sank a whole category of movies and TV for me. :(

Can't agree with you and Jake more. Cheap subversion was done over and over through this movie, for no other reason other than to 'trick' the audience. The payoff was less than zero... it actually ended up hurting the entire franchise.




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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2019, 02:42:08 PM »
My mum's reactions when watching TLJ for the first time after briefly watching the previous movies over the years:

- "I think shes Lukes daughter"
- "Fine you just stay there on your rock stupid man" - when Luke keeps dismissing Rey's requests to help.
- "That man is tall and really ugly" - Snoke in the throne room
- "Why is everyone doing their own thing in different places? It's like theres no plan or anything."
- "I bet that girl is his sister" - Talking of Rey and Kylo.
- "I'm 100% sure that girl is his Leia's daughter"
- "This movies depressing, they just keep fighting, losing and dying"
- "okay now she's dead too?" - When Rose saved Finn at the end
- "Wheres Luke!? the movies nearly finished, why even appear in the movie if he isn't going to do anything?"
- "Oh there he is.. Luke Skywalker! what's the point coming now, go back to your Island" - LOL
- "Oh he's not really there is he?..." - followed by a sigh
- "Oh so now he's going to die too"
- She had no final comments on the movie after it finished as if feeling defeated and frustrated by it all.

I love my mum lol

I'm new(er) to the forum and am just seeing this. Had to add my mom's reaction to this as well.

Midway through the movie, I turn to look at my mom and she's sound asleep (I believe this is right around the 2nd or 3rd force conversation between Kylo and Rey).

After the credits roll, we walk out of the movie and I ask her what she thought of it. Her exact words: "It was boring as xxx."

We saw this on opening night, by the way. Still laugh every time I think of her saying this as a trove of enthusiastic fans going marching by to see the movie for the first time.

 

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