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CFX v10 problems
« on: April 09, 2023, 01:21:19 PM »
Hey Erv and others, I have a new problem with my recently purchased CFX v10 soundboard. I soldered wires for the battery, speaker and MOM ACT & AUX switches to bench test before I install anything in the hilt. When I plug in the battery, it boots up and I get the red light that goes out after the booting sequence like it should. I press the ACT and it powers on with sound. When I tap the AUX, I get blaster. When I hold the AUX, I get lockup. But, after around 15 seconds, I get the power off sound without touching any switches. Then in a few seconds, it powers on and immediately powers off and continually does that until I unplug the battery. Sometimes I will get the "Sound bank selection" prompt and "Deep sleep activated". Neither switches will work until I unplug and replug the battery, but it does the same thing. And I've tried this several times. My solder joints and wiring looks good with no wire or solder on any pads next to them. I removed all wires and examined and all looks fine on the pads, top and bottom. And I use my ESD Safe soldering station as I've used on all mt eight sabers.
Other things I've tried....
Different 18650 battery packs,
Different MOM switches I had on hand,
Three different SIM Cards from other sabers including the one that came with the board,
New wire and no cold solder joints,
Never went above 550* on my iron and I use 60/40 that has a lower melting point than lead-free solder.
I received the board from TCSS around a week or so ago. Could there be a bad component in the board? The only thing I can think of. I've switched everything external to the board to make sure it wasn't what I soldered on.
Any help is appreciated!


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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2023, 12:54:50 AM »
no pictures, no debug !

your switches or the pads have issues, most likely. Try disabling sleep features to double check the 15s thing and see if this is consitent timing.
Bench test the board with just the switches and speakers.
Video welcomed too

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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2023, 11:57:01 AM »




I rewired new switches, speaker hooked up and battery plugged in. Also used the SD card that came with the board. Now getting scrolling through "sound bank selection" prompts, mute activated, voice overs that are from the force1, 2, 3, etc fonts, deep sleep activated.
I took a video, but the file is too large to download. I could send that to your website.
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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2023, 02:33:02 PM »
Ok, I uploaded a video on youtube. Out of focus, but I posted a clear pic of my wiring.
Search David Fick and it's titled CFX v10 problems. let's see if it linked correctly in this post.
I have another video with even more strange things in a bit


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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2023, 02:47:02 PM »
Another video. You'll have to turn the volume up because this is how it recorded.


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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2023, 11:08:45 PM »
remove your switches and clean the pads, macro pictures top and an bottom needed. Your aux pad is possibly fried or shorted, or the switches are the problem (or their wiring)

remove all wiring on the switches and check the voltage on their pads, should be resting at 3.3V.

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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2023, 10:09:27 AM »
I've tried three sets of switches and new wires already. I removed the switch wires from the board and current was steady at 3.29v DC at both pads to switch ground. At first I was getting 0v, because your manuals (page 30 in the v10.005E and page 35 in the v10.007F manuals) shows the fifth pad for ground when using a volt meter. I went to the fourth pad then I got 3.29v, both steady.
I will clean up the pads and get as macro as I can.
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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2023, 01:09:18 PM »
Ok, here are as macro as I can, pics of the switch and ground pads top and bottom. Got as much solder off as my iron and copper braid would remove. They all look clean to me.











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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2023, 12:24:47 AM »
pads look good and if you're reading 3.3V on both act and aux, the pads (and internal connections to the MCU) are good too. Try operating the switches actions with just a piece of wire, one to ground, one to aux. If that works, use tactile switches and confirm
if that works, then it's (it was) you switches or their wiring

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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2023, 04:47:23 PM »
Ok Erv,
Soldered on a jumper wire on the switch ground and the other end was just a 1mm soldered nub to touch the ACT and AUX pads and all was fine. Got ignition from ACT pad, blaster and clash touching the AUX pad and when I powered the board down for a deep sleep, nothing strange suddenly turned on as before. Rebooted fine and was able to scroll through sound fonts just fine.
Then, I soldered on some small tactile momentary switches and all worked fine. Left that going for an hour after I shut down the board and left the cell still connected and no issues.
So, how in the world did this not do that after testing three sets of six 16mm AV momentary switches? And all with the same glitches! My soldering and wires were all redone on every test. What were the odds?
I can't convert to tactile switches because of this hilt I had TCSS drill/ream for 16mm AV switches as my pic will show.
Any ideas anyone.






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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2023, 11:16:21 PM »
if they have "glitches", they offer electrical contacts. If they are shitty switches, then, they are...
I would evaluate them with a DMM and check their pinout, especially if lit switches.

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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2023, 02:21:23 PM »
Well, today I wanted to try the board one last time before I start unsoldering the tactile switches and figure out what type of new switches I want to go with. I plugged the battery in and nothing. Didn't boot, no red light (except for a millisecond), no sound. Tried the jumper wire from switch ground to ACT and also AUX like suggested, but that didn't do anything. tried different SD cards and batteries. Still nothing. I tested volts from the switch pads to ground and got 0.025v from each pad and not 3.3v. I also did a continuity test from the battery Dean's quick connect to the board and my meter beeped showing no separated wires. I think it's the board that should be looked at. We've tried just about all we can.
I'm closing in on the 30 day warranty TCSS states on their site for your boards and TCSS said they farm out CFX warranty work to Michael at plrepairusa@gmail.com  I sent him an email when I first started having problems a few days ago, but he hasn't replied.
What is my next move?
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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2023, 11:30:43 PM »
it makes zero sense and if you don't even get a red light, your board isn't getting power. Check the power reaches your power supply pads before concluding. Boards don't "die overnight"
Besides, it worked exactly as you expected with the tactiles.

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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2023, 11:17:32 AM »
I know it makes no sense at all. I wired up a new Deans plug with new wires and still nothing. Tried a third Deans, still nothing. Tried all my batteries and three SD cards with CFX files from other sabers that work fine. Again nothing. Maybe some board component finally gave out when I plugged the battery in the next day.
I guess I'll have to order a new board and hope the warranty guy will finally email me back. Just bad luck on this board. I've had this happen on the ten sabers I've constructed.



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Re: CFX v10 problems
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2023, 11:35:14 AM »
my question remains, did you test the voltage map of the board starting from the power supply pads ? As usual macro pictures and or video would help

 

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