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Offline Maverick Hunter

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2017, 08:21:45 PM »
Very disappointed in this movie   :sad:

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 10:38:12 PM »
For me there’s a lot of questionable stuff in TLJ
SPOILERS!!!!

who was snoke ? And his story?
Leia turning in to Mary poppins ?
Luke’s cop out fight with Ren he should have went out like a legend!
And I don’t believe luke would have contemplated killing Ren when he saw the dark side in him thats just not luke imo,
Reys parents being “nobodies” big let down there if that’s true or was Ren telling lies?
The fact that there was no big OMG Reveal moment
The forced comedy ??

Although I left the cinema pumped for it once I got home and started to think about it I started to question a lot of it.
The next move has a lot to answer and a lot to tie up where’s the threat now? Who is the threat? Is it Ren vs Rey or will they just set it up for more star wars movies?

I need to watch it again which I will do on bluray
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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 08:00:24 AM »
I loved it. I didn't care for Casino planet plot. But besides that it was wonderful.  I wish I had a better glimpse of Ben's/Kylo's blue saber. It looked exactly like his current saber but silver and no vents or damage.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2017, 08:25:33 AM »
I loved it. I didn't care for Casino planet plot. But besides that it was wonderful.  I wish I had a better glimpse of Ben's/Kylo's blue saber. It looked exactly like his current saber but silver and no vents or damage.

Yeah, I mentioned on another forum, I fully expect to see a run of Ben Solo Padawan hilts within six months!  :cheesy:

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 08:53:52 AM »
Indeed- my missus has spotted that Phoenix Props have already said they're going to adapt their Kylo v2 into a Ben Solo!
Also,I loved the movie (although the aforementioned Canto Bight section was utterly pointless filler,yawn).Multiple viewings needed!

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2017, 10:46:32 AM »
I liked the movie. The second viewing was much better. The comedy was forced. Luke throwing the saber was bad. That could have been a emotional,and profound moment. Luke thinking of killing Ben didn’t make sense. He risked life and limb to Bring Anakin back, and he’s just going to kill a kid on a hunch?

I knew Snoke would be killed by Kylo,but I thought it would be in the next movie. They told us he is Luke in Reverse.  He needs to be the main villain at some point, and Snoke was there to prop him up. The trailers have hinted at this tention between them. Dark side  training is filled with animosity between the master,and student.We finally got to see the natural course of this.

I thought Luke would die,but in the next movie. He needs to leave for Ray to realize her potential. His death was strange. I would of preferred a big lightsaber battle with Ren with his ultimate sacrifice. It would of furthered Ren’s menace, and this movie needed a kick butt lightsaber duel.
The best part of the movie is breaking the idea that you need a special birth to be special. Anyone from anywhere can posses great force ability. The boy at the end with the broomstick as a saber looking at the stars was great. How many kids have pretended something was a saber. How many people on this sight have done that.
Star Wars is now in uncharted territory. It is both exciting,and unnerving.  Rey has the Jedi text. Hopefully in the next movie she will be our window into jedi myth and mysticism. The audience can explore and learn this with her. However, they should have done better fleshing this out with her scenes with Luke.
Anyway, I hope JJ Brings back some of the magic. If I was JJ I would be texting Rian FUs. I have no idea where they are going to go from here.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 11:03:45 AM »
I really liked it despite some hammy moments. Princess Leia flying through the vacuum of space was without a doubt the most bizarre thing to happen in the entire series thus far. But the heavy cruiser going to lightspeed was the best thing to happen in the series thus far so it balances out.

To my mind the series has always had a lot of comedy in it, just that I didn't get most of the jokes in the original trilogy because I was a child when I saw it. Watching it with my wife as an adult (who had never seen it before) I was surprised by how many jokes were in the original trilogy. That said, the opening scene with Poe was a bit over the top. And while not comedy, the entire bomber scene made no sense... Why are bombs falling in space? And why are those bombers moving at what looks to be 10 miles per hour? Anyway despite those things the movie still comes out on top in my mind. I for instance really liked Luke's explanation of why he ran away and loved Ren's character decisions in betraying snoke but still being evil. Great example of being able to see the future but not knowing the future.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2017, 11:15:27 AM »
Loved it. I went in expecting a continuation of TFA's remake of ANH, and I was quite pleasantly surprised that it wasn't a remake of ESB. I'll agree that the forced comedy was stupid  but hey, it's Disney. If it worked in Marvel, they'll just keep ramming it in all their intellectual properties, right?

I do not like TFA. I don't care much for JJ Abrams and his ridiculous unsolvable mysteries that he keeps setting up, building up, and never, ever resolving in a manner that would ever live up to the hype (Cloverfield and Lost, anyone?) So I was just so glad that TLJ just answered most of the "mysteries" he set up without letting him ham it up for some major letdown in EP IX.

Didn't think much of the casino planet stuff, or the weird pacing of the film with the whole fleet chase thing. I'm really not sure that Luke should have died, either, although, he's one with the Force now, I'm pretty sure he'll be back as a ghost in EP IX. Also, I don't know why, but I was really angry they just killed off admiral Ackbar so like that.

The battles were good. That lightsaber duel in the throne room was awesome (and I imagine that we're going to see some Praetorian Guard weapon builds in the gallery in the next year), so was Crait. I did think something was up when Luke drew a graflex with a blue blade. I wish we'd have had more space battles, though. This new trilogy is seriously lacking in starfighter combat so far. the bomber stuff at the start was cool, they really nailed the WWII aerial combat vibe, there was just not enough of it.

the one thing I was expecting that did not come to pass was a role reversal. I had this unshakable feeling that the film would end with Rey and Kylo swapping alignments, and that the final shots would be Rey training with Snoke and Kylo returning to Luke, then cut to credits.

Also, it was good to see Yoda again. A nice surprise.

Oh yeah, biggest disappointment for me was the score. I don't know if it's John Williams getting old, but TFA and TLJ's music have both been really, really weak. there's nothing new. nothing memorable. None of the intricate leitmotif work from the prequel soundtracks (heck, even little leitmotif work at all, I can't think of a single character's tune from TFA that returned in TLJ. Rey had a quite memorable one in TFA that just vanished) none of the great, bombastic themes of old (the March of the Resistance is ok, but it's nowhere near the Imperial March, or even duel of the Fates or Battle of the Heroes.) I was more impressed with Michael Giaccino's Rogue One score than any of the new main series music.
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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2017, 12:10:38 PM »
Very Disappointed.  My main reason is the ruining of the storytelling of a 9 episode arc.  No one can "ruin" Star Wars for me, because I will make my own cannon from what I like. 

I have walked out of every main episode of this saga with a burning desire to see what was next.

Episode 1 - Anakin is going to become a Jedi knight, how is this going to look?

Episode 2 - The clone wars have begun, and Anakin is going to fall.  How is this going to look?

Episode 3 - The Empire is born - I would love see the drama of the years in between ROTJ and ANH

Episode 4 - The Rebellion strikes, Luke is becoming a Jedi, and Vader is still out there, Mad.  What will happen?

Episode 5 - Don't even need to mention this one

Episode 6 - The Empire is Defeated.  How are our heroes going to live and how will Luke pass on what he learns?  What new conflicts must they confront.

Episode 7 - An awakening with many mysteries.  Who is Rey?  Who is Snoke?  Why is Luke in exile?  Will Ben Solo be redeemed?

Episode 8 - Our hero Luke has run away, considered killing his nephew, kind of returned to help them escape (though really didn't do much), and "dies".  Never established any connection to the new characters.  Ray is a nobody.  Snoke is "who cares".  Now what?  Han is dead.  Luke is dead.  Leia, is not coming back.  Maybe Rey will duel Kylo and beat him in Episode 9.   Oh, we have already seen that.  I have a "head cannon" that could solve this mess, but the story really  seems to end here.   Even Rian Johnson has said, he meant this story to be "self contained."  I have no desire to see what is next.  Of course I'll watch the next one, but I am hoping for 2 more good "anthology" films between Episode 3-4 (A Vader story, and a Kenobi story) and that will be my "nine episode" cannon. 

There are a laundry list of other issues with this film, but this is the main issue in my head.  The story that TFA set up was ultimately just thrown away.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 09:02:04 PM »
My thoughts. I liked it okay.... I didn't think it was special. There was much I liked, some I did not for much of the same reasons I think most have. Particularly the over use of comedy, the whole casino plot line, didn't like some of the new characters etc. I didn't particularly like the Leia floating scene and could have been done way differently to be more impactful and less awkward looking. There is a lot of diverging from what original fans know of star wars and the same can be said of when the prequels came out. I think that can be said of every iteration of star wars here on out, because you can be sure that Disney has no plans on limiting the production of more movies. It will be new, it will be different, especially since every saga with have new writers, new directors, new producers for each series, movie, and xxx director changes while filming a movie (Han standalone). After thinking about that I started getting a little peeved, until I started thinking about it from a different angle. I Think its kinda like being an adult and going back to your home town. You can go back to your home and reminisce all you want and remember the good ol' days, visit your friends, visit your favorite hang outs, but its not the same you can't ever go back, not really. Its in your heart, in your memories but that's it, that's where it exists now. We want the original series reincarnate but lets face it, that's something that maybe unattainable. It was a different time, a different place, I for one was a different person (a child). Maybe if I got what I wanted I could be let down, or might even feel its a counterfeit imitation of the originals, who knows. After thinking about that I started thinking I should start viewing the new content as just that. New. Something not bound by confines of what I thought it should be. There's a dialog between Luke and Yoda's force ghost that kinda stuck with me a little bit for a few different reasons that I think could apply here. I'm sure I'm butchering the line but it was something like "its the greatest test of the master to see its student become other than them" or something like that. With that I'm going to see it again this weekend and watch it from a new certain point of view.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2017, 05:28:11 AM »
I have decided to see the movie again this week, to catch some of the small things I feel I missed. Wanted to make two additional points beforehand.

I personally do not think the origin of Rey is settled. I do not believe the story Kylo told her and believe in the final film, we will find out dramatically how she fits into this story. I believe this because this is a 9 episode series now and the connection is likely to bridge the entire series from Anakin to Luke to Rey somehow. I do not believe Kylo is the only bridge.

Second, I think I understand the Luke character in TLJ now thinking about him a different way. Trust me I do not like the way Luke’s character was handled in the movie and I think it could have been done differently. I view his character as the old crabby Jedi Master similar to Yoda in ESB. If you look at some of his mannerisms and behaviors as Yoda behaved in ESB, you may view his character differently. He is older, jaded and just cranky.

Just some more of my thoughts before seeing it again. Was going to try and see it today, but I get to see Ferdinand with the Kids instead.  :cry:

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2017, 07:29:44 AM »
overall as a star wars film i liked it. It wasn't a 'WOW' or 'OMG' type of feeling after watching the movie. But for what it was, it was ok. I def. agree with most of the points/disappointments many of you listed. Here was one of my biggest gripes about this movie.

Episode 7 - Han asks Maz "where did you get that?" (referring to Luke's graflex saber)
Maz replies - "good question.. for another time"

2 years later and here is Episode 8. No mention at all from Maz on how she got the saber. I know Maz was in the movie for like only 3 mins, but it didnt even seem like the script wanted to include any backstory whatsoever on how the saber was retrieved after Luke's hand getting cut off. Han has been killed off and he was the one to originally ask how she got it. Luke is now gone (physically), and not sure what they're going to do with Leia in 9, so who will be the one to ask/wonder how the saber ended up in Maz's hands? Rey, Finn and rest of the new crew weren't around during the old rebellion days to know what even happened.

This is probably one of the least points to be pointing out in TLJ. But the fact that it was retrieved and given in 7 to Rey was such a HUGE focus.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2017, 05:01:37 AM »

I left the cinema with mixed feelings.

Let's start with an overall impression: it was a film for grown up. I loved all the unexpected turns in the movie, it was a deliberate cut with the linear events of the other SW movies. It gave this movie a special flavor. I say it even though it is the Space Fairy Tale which I love about SW.
The whole movie told me that there is no black and white. There is a whole range of shades in between. Actions and reactions can be interpreted in different ways. Good intentions can have bad ending, evil deeds can turn out to beneficial. Even whole blocks of the movie can turn out to be utterly pointless because of how events keep changing.

It was kinda strange but also something new that the movie concentrated on the phychological side of the Force instead of the kinetic side like in all other SW movies. Mind reading, generating illusions etc. can be considered to be a higher level of Force usage as jumping around and making boulders move in the air. If I like this new Force concept? Not sure, but it's unique.

I also keep thinking about the way Luke explains the Force to Rey, it's different in subtle ways to how Yoda used to explain it to Luke. Yoda used to say it's the binding force between all living being. Luke does not contradict it but points out that there are dualities and between them is the Force. Which can be interpreted in a way that the Force waxes and wanes. It is the strongest if the struggle between Dark Side and Light Side is the strongest. If any of the side triumphs, it wanes. No matter which side wins, it leads to depression. Look at the tyrannical system of the Empire with all the suffering *Dark side wins) and then look at the Universe we found in TFA (Light side won), it was equally depressing, without any dynamics, old, broken.

Some other thoughts:

I totally liked the way they dealt with Snoke. From TFA is was clear to me that Snoke does not play an important role in the grand scheme of thing and was quite upset about all of this discussions going on about his origin. I felt we should not care. He was a weak character from the beginning, it would have ruined the whole saga for me if they went either one of the ways eg. resurrecting the Imperator, reviving an old Sith Lord etc.

The last half an hour was back to linear story, which simoly did not fit into the movie prior to it. I did not like to see how stupidly the Rebels(?)/Resistance reacted to every turn of events, letting the,selves to be slaughtered.

I kinda liked Luke throwing the lightsaber away. It was in line with Yoda asking Luke if war makes one great when Luke was looking for a great warrior. There is more to a Jedi than a lightsaber. I had to laugh out loud about the only "lightsaber"-duel in the movie between Force users was fought in fact with clubs (Rey vs. Luke).

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2017, 05:29:04 AM »
Hear hear,Obi_1!Everybody seems to be forgetting that Luke throwing a lightsaber away is FAR from being out of character,as proven at the climax of ROTJ.
As for how he faded away into the Force,looking away into the sunset,with his mind on other places?Yoda pointed out that was still his lifelong habit.So for myself,I found Luke's end heartbreaking,but totally in keeping with his character to go out with an act of noble self sacrifice and truly galactic mastery of the Force.An epic lightsaber duel would have been a visual crowdpleaser,for sure... but it wouldn't really have been Luke,to me.

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Re: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Discussion (Spoiler Alerts)
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2017, 10:22:24 AM »
Rey's parents left her at the side of the Grand Canyon and drove away...   

--> WHEN do the JOE DIRT gifs start!? 

I am disappointed in the internet as a whole..  I can't be the only one who noticed :P

Rey shares her ORIGIN STORY with "JOE DIRT" .  ROFL!!

(and somebody said this move was supposed to be "original".   :laugh:   pffft!)

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