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Offline tigerwoods3423

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Vintage Graflex Experts.....Did I get a MONSTER steal on eBay?
« on: January 12, 2018, 01:23:18 AM »
Hey everyone,

I've been working on filling out my man cave and wanted to add a Mark Hamill autograph because...well, for obvious reasons. I didn't want a run of the mill picture or action figure. I wanted something that would stand out. Then a lightbulb went off....an autographed lightsaber! I did some searching and all of the PSA authenticated ones were way out of my price range. Then I stumbled across something more in my wheelhouse.

eBay auction: #302585383059

The seller describes it as a replica lightsaber signed by Mark Hamill inscribed "Forcefully" to "Richard" with what also might be a George Lucas signature. I'm pretty familiar with original trilogy signatures so I knew the Hamill was the real deal by the naked eye. The seller's suspicions in the description were correct as the supposed George Lucas sig wasn't even close. I made a couple offers and we came to an agreement that I was comfortable with. I couldn't wait for it to get here. Shortly after buying it, I bought a ANH conversion kit from Roman Empire to complete it once it arrived (can't wait for it to get here).

Fast forward 3 days...

The hilt arrived today and quickly after unboxing it, I thought it was pretty beat up with a generic blank bottom and a shiny strip on the clamp. The first thing I did was use some Bar Tenders Helper to remove the fake George Lucas signature as well as the name "Richard" because...well....I'm not a Richard. As I started to look at it a little closer, I started to get hints that this might not be a replica. I took the hilt apart and noticed rust and battery residue with more scratching that indicated years of use....but I'm still not sure. I know things can be "antiqued" to look old. I started to look at the shiny stripe where the Graflex logo would normally be and realized that it was actually a strip of lead tape. I peeled it away and...



Then I took a closer look at the bottom. It wasn't blank after all...more lead tape. I removed it and the D ring that was incorrect for ANH saber and what was revealed?...



So there you go. The seller mentioned that he got this from someone in "the industry" and had Hamill sign it at a convention in the 90's in Anaheim. I think when he referred to it as a replica he just meant replica in a sense that it's not one of the real props from the movie. I'm under the impression that it's actually a real vintage Graflex 3 Cell signed by Hamill. Hopefully someone who is an expert on vintage Graflex can let me know once and for all. Let me know if you need any more pics or have any questions. Without further adieu, pics...



















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Offline Scorpion

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Re: Vintage Graflex Experts.....Did I get a MONSTER steal on eBay?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2018, 01:45:10 PM »
It looks like a vintage from what I can see,
Thereís a pin in the bunny ears usually itís a screw if itís a rep it also has the battery connectors which is good.
So yeah Iíd say itís probably a vintage
However to me the signature looks like it was written recently  itís not faded or anything, if mark really did sign it or not is anyoneís guess.
I would have thought a marker pen on the metal body would have been scratched or faded if it was signed back in the 90s but you never know.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 01:47:16 PM by Scorpion »


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Re: Vintage Graflex Experts.....Did I get a MONSTER steal on eBay?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 02:14:28 PM »
Post a pic of the graph to Star Wars Autograph Universe on Facebook.  They have some very knowledgeable guys who can easily spot fakes.

Or, you can ask @Hammilhimself on twitter.

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Re: Vintage Graflex Experts.....Did I get a MONSTER steal on eBay?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 05:20:47 AM »
Depending what you want to do with the handle, you might be force to do an ESB or TFA/TLJ because of the holes in the pommel.

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Re: Vintage Graflex Experts.....Did I get a MONSTER steal on eBay?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 05:45:16 AM »
It's vintage.
Whether or not Mark actually signed it or not doesn't really mean anything without photographic proof and authentic documentation.
But you got it at a great price considering how the prices have gone mad lately.
I don't know, i gotta bad feeling about this!