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Title: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yoda on June 27, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
Just to give everyone a "heads-up"

A friend of mine is planning on posting some concepts for "real" lightsaber technology.

He is also assisting in developing some new products we can actually use :D

But in any case this may be the Delusions of grandeur but it will be a serious discussion
about real physics and possibilities (however dangerous they may be) so...

A) please stay on topic when it starts  ;)

B) don't try this at home :D

C) be open minded and courteous  :)

Remember a real Lightsaber would be a very dangerous military application so don't
expect there to be a Graflex list any time soon (or ever) but do put on your physics
hat (or robe hood) and explore the possibilities.

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Super sith 22 on June 27, 2007, 05:30:32 PM
i always thought that you could use a very thin bar of whatever material can stop the beam to be spring loaded in the hilt ready to shoot out and come thogether like a very tiny, yet long, hasbro blade. the bar would have a tip at the end made of the same material. then the beam would be on a seperate switch relay. the beam would come out around the bar.

Iv'e thought of the "beam" being plasma but that is actualy not what i thought it was. (it's a small beam of fire and air) the military already has "lasers" in the burning field. but it would take so much power and electronics in the hilt you would get about three feet before you run out of body power and ignite untill the battery dies after 3 seconds :D

just my idea

Now That's a mouthfull! :P
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: BEN KENOBI on June 27, 2007, 06:03:47 PM
 ;D
Thanks for the heads up master yoda and I'm looking forward to this!!I for one will stick to the custom sabers of yours due to the fact I value my hands lol!! :D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on June 27, 2007, 06:28:10 PM
That sounds facinating and I look forward to it. :) Though I think I'll stick to polycarbonate, wood, and steel! ;D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yukiel on June 27, 2007, 06:41:38 PM
This is gonna be fun to partake in. yay!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: JediKnightGuy82 on June 27, 2007, 07:25:17 PM
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj134%2Fjediknightguy82%2Frealsaber.jpg&hash=ce8418fe3ce360c56c4a374f209d11eb3599f507)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/jediknightguy82/realsaber.jpg

So, in order for a real saber to work, we'd need to stop the laser from going infinitely. Therefore, a mirror or reflective device of some kind would need to be affixed at the desired length to redirect the laser. I am no expert in physics or science, so this is just me throwing out ideas. However, I doubt you can redirect a laser back into itself, so it would need to be offset somehow. Also, there could be some kind of energy collecting device at the end of the laser that re-energizes itself perpetually. Woah, I just blew my own mind right there. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Super sith 22 on June 27, 2007, 07:40:58 PM
^ that's like what i was saying but my "reflective material" was under the beam and at the tip so i guess no stabbing also if you invented perpetual energy i belive you'd win the nobel prize and any other science ginius (i probably spelled that wrong) award hehe.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Jedi Farmboy on June 28, 2007, 02:07:51 AM
Well I guess, and this is coming from someone who dropped physics at the first chance he got, that the idea bhind the "fixed length" of the blade is that it is a burst of energy (or light) that is almost immediatly retracted and sent back out in a loop, which is the star wars explanation of how it works, but thats impossible right?
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: vivan_cygna on June 28, 2007, 02:29:10 AM
The feat of having a ray of light looping back to it's source may not be impossible with the recent research of light property and how to manipulate it. Some says that light (photon) is a matter nevertheless. But the feat of dueling with a ray of light is impossible, for light does not have a physical property.

This is an article I found in the net a long time ago......

A NEW ELEMENT FOR A NEW WEAPON

Master Obi-Wan Kenobi described a lightsaber as “an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.” Contrary to what the name might imply to the uninitiated, the deadly blade of a lightsaber is not actually made up of pure light. By consulting with official records (the recently released DVD trilogy), we see that a lightsaber blade performs feats that no mere beam of light is capable of: parrying similar blades, casting shadows, and stopping in mid-air a short distance from its source (Figure A).

Lightsaber blades actually have solid metal cores. This central part of the formidable weapon is made of a single element, metachlorium (Me), number 138 on the periodic table, whose discovery shattered all materials records for melting point and cohesive energy. An energy cell powers three pumping lasers that are focused onto a coupling crystal at the base of the blade core, allowing a unique electromagnetic frequency to travel along the blade core as surface plasmons. Waste heat causes the blade core to rapidly expand by a factor of four or more, until it reaches its full size.

Magnetic suspension (which produces the weapon’s characteristic hum) physically isolates the Me rod, containing the intense surface oscillations safely on the blade exterior. Some electromagnetic energy escapes as light in a color corresponding to coupling frequency, but the core contains almost all of it until coupled to another object, at which time plasmon energy and blade heat enables it to slice through steel like a knife through butter.

Credits:
Joseph F. AuBuchon and Joel Hollingsworth
Graduate Student Researchers
Materials Science and Engineering Program
University of California, San Diego

Illustration:

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Oohh.. no no, I don't believe any of it. It's just another Delusion of Grandeur.  :D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Pantsless on June 28, 2007, 03:23:31 AM
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj134%2Fjediknightguy82%2Frealsaber.jpg&hash=ce8418fe3ce360c56c4a374f209d11eb3599f507)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/jediknightguy82/realsaber.jpg

So, in order for a real saber to work, we'd need to stop the laser from going infinitely. Therefore, a mirror or reflective device of some kind would need to be affixed at the desired length to redirect the laser. I am no expert in physics or science, so this is just me throwing out ideas. However, I doubt you can redirect a laser back into itself, so it would need to be offset somehow. Also, there could be some kind of energy collecting device at the end of the laser that re-energizes itself perpetually. Woah, I just blew my own mind right there. Thoughts?

Optic fibre dude,

My thoughts are that if it has enough enery to cut through a blast room door the energy would vaporise the person using it
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: JediKnightGuy82 on June 29, 2007, 04:11:43 PM
I think it would be fairy easy to create a laser saber set-up like above, albeit without the cutting. Is there a good way to make a laser visible the entire length short of smoke or fog?
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yoda on June 29, 2007, 04:51:14 PM
3PO that looks like an interesting concept.

Once my friend posts his topic you'll all get a better Idea as to what the concept entails...

But do be aware this is not going to be a topic about mirrors and beams, it will be about
energy containment and how to create something that won't be harmful to the user etc...

Hopefully he will have this thesis together soon and post it so we can discuss from there.

Physics Teachers and Science Majors/Professionals are encouraged to enter the discussion
and please I can't stress this enough.

Serious concepts and discussion only  8)

Threads considered off topic or non relevant will get deleted because this will stand a s a reaserch
thread for those interested in participating :)

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: SAESEE TIIN on June 29, 2007, 05:31:03 PM
Me and my friends were talking about magnetic suspension with a heated element about a year ago while we were at a science engineering competition.  The one thing we couldn't figure out was how you could use an acclerated particle thats inside a magnetic field to cut something without being released from the field and harming the area around it, that article you posted C3PO was quite interesting.  I believe there were universities that actually attempted something similar to what you posted.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on June 29, 2007, 10:52:59 PM
This was wrighten up by jedi hilt over at tcss and I think that it could actually possibly work but heh I sure dont have the cash to even try to build somehting like this.

Quote from: JediHilt
The design looks something like this I will explain all the parts and the reasoning behind them in this post.

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 My research originally began with German U.F.O's. I noticed that their craft would glow colors like red,blue,green,and purple (my mind automatically thought "LIGHTSABER" :twisted: ). Allied bomber pilots would often run into remote controlled drones that used this technology they called them Foo Fighters. The technology was designed by a man named Viktor Schauberger an Austrian scientist captured by the Germans during the war for his work on things related to Diamagnetism link:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=viktor+schauberger. Diamagnetism is basically the ability of a substance to repel magnetic fields and shield gravity in a strong magnetic field in this link you can research this effect:http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html and in this video you can see a frog defying gravity inside of a strong magentic field http://www.hfml.ru.nl/pics/Movies/frog.mpg Now moving on to how all this applies to my design the battery powers the motor and the motor spins a turbine that is nothing more than disk with an egg on it as you see in the picture this is spun inside of a cylinder full of water it produces a special vortex. (this effect can be demonstrated at home using a tall glass full of water, an egg, and a spoon to spin the water counter-clockwise) If you take a copper coil and submerge it in running creek water it creates a proton electrical current in the coil this is due to the vortex movement of water made by rivers and streams a vortex enhances waters diamagnetism so by increasing the power,RPM,size and so on this effect of a water vortex can be multiplied this is what the egg turbine in the picture does it spins the water into a vortex inside of a copper coil producing a high voltage of protons this is fed into the emitter. If you remember Bodi's design(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn68%2FM9man%2Femiterbest.jpg&hash=6bc0f75249c83c2429b0a1ebd4a78e2b13895194) this is basically how my emitter works now notice the superconductor a superconductor is a perfect diamagenetic diamagnetism repels magnetic fields therefore repelling the electric arc of the blade only my design uses a water vortex instead of a superconductor to produce diamagnetism (https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn68%2FM9man%2Femitter2.jpg&hash=e44a8ef3737de31b193b83912afce6a172d89aee)(arc spins around giving the blade the apearance of being solid) and one other difference is my design doesn't need a plasma injector my  emitter makes it's own plasma Bodi's arc blade uses electrons my arc blade uses protons therefore emitting protons and air is negatively charged and you know what happends when a proton and an electron combine you get hydrogen gas and hydrogen gas under a high voltage turns into hydrogen plasma. excess voltage from the emitter is fed down into the circutry which acts as a voltage regulator for recharging the battery that is powering the motor so if atleast you partially understand all that the cycle goes like this: Step1/switch activated connecting power from the battery to the motor.  Step2/motor spins turbine producing a water vortex which produces diamagnetism which produces proton voltage in the copper coil. Step3/emitter arcs the voltage in a circle and the diamagnetism of the generator relflects the arc out making it extend producing a blade and the protons emitted by the arc produce hydrogen plasma. Step4/ excess voltage from the emitter is fed down to the circutry to be regualted and fed into the battery for it's recharging to continue powering the motor. Step5/ cycle repeats untill power is cut from the motor.
 
Googling these search words might help your understanding:

Viktor Schauberger
repulsine
trout turbine
German UFO
Foo Fighter
diamagnetism
diamagnetic UFO
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: The Abbot on June 29, 2007, 11:04:26 PM
3PO that looks like an interesting concept.

Once my friend posts his topic you'll all get a better Idea as to what the concept entails...

But do be aware this is not going to be a topic about mirrors and beams, it will be about
energy containment and how to create something that won't be harmful to the user etc...

Hopefully he will have this thesis together soon and post it so we can discuss from there.

Physics Teachers and Science Majors/Professionals are encouraged to enter the discussion
and please I can't stress this enough.

Serious concepts and discussion only  8)

Threads considered off topic or non relevant will get deleted because this will stand a s a reaserch
thread for those interested in participating :)

MTFBWY
always
YODA

wow I can`t wait for this..
I would be happy with a retracting sword.
But a non deadly beem of light that looks cool while spinning would be awesome.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on June 30, 2007, 01:22:33 PM
Hello, everyone. I'm Bodi, and as Yoda told you, I have some pretty cool things to show you. Thank's Mike!

I'm really excited about becoming part of the great community I see here. I did do some posting over at TCCS earlier this year and I see that some of my material (design images) has already been posted here, based on the imaginative reengineering of jedi hilt at tcss. I'll address that later, along with current ideas about real saber design, but first I would like to lay out my design, so you can see the original concept, and I will do my best to make it a little more understandable than the posts I submitted at TCCS.  If you have any problem with the material being too complex, let me know and I will do my best to simplify it.

First, a little about me...

I was seven years old when Star Wars was released in theatres in 1977. It had more impact on me that I can put into words, as I know it did many of you. Star Wars ignited something in me to pursue the things have shaped my life.

A love of science. A love of the martial arts. Naturally these took me to Zen, Taoism, Buddhism, religion and spiritualty in general, psychology, parapsychology, among myriads of similar disciplines.  Anything and everything that touches on the potential and meaning that lies within each of us in any way consumes me.

I am certainly no master of any of these disciplines, but as I continue to try to piece together my understanding of reality and humanity's place in it, it becomes more and more clear to me that there is an evolutionary leap in spiritual understanding that is occuring in the world.

I find that significant and I believe (although maybe I'm quite literally crazy to do so, and admit this) that while in my opinion George Lucas failed somewhat in his vision with the prequels (not that they weren't still pretty good), the first three original movies were .... prophetic. I think that he tapped into something that reveals one possible expression of that evolutionary leap mankind may be on the road to making.

Anyway, the whole point all this is that, to me, there is a symbol of that possible human leap. There is something that I can point to in a Zenlike way and say there it is, in its suchness.

The lightsaber represents a tangible expression of something I cannot put into words, at least, not well, as this weak attempt to do so shows. The lightsaber represents the physical expression of all that defines what I want to be, and I cannot express the meaning that such a thing has for me, only say that I feel compelled to walk this path, and that I believe it is a path with heart.

So, I would like to share an engineering idea I have for real lightsabers. This is mostly speculative, mostly just imagination, although the science is fairly sound, and I have some experimental reasons to believe it could work, although there would be a great deal of research needed to actually bring it to reality, if it is in fact even workable.

Some considerations and criteria:

The following points are those which MUST be considered in any attempt to seriously construct a working device. They are implicit in the nature of what we are attempting. Consider this to be a checklist we can use to sift through ideas. Any model which purports to be valid and workable MUST adhere to each of these points and solve the difficulties inherent in them or it simply is not feasible. We will be examining some design models later based on this list, and constructing our own model with it in mind.

Point # 1 - Power

Any model we can consider will almost certainly require large amounts of energy. Since we have a limited amount of space for the power supply, it is of paramount importance that any method of generating the blade be within the limits of the amount of power we can supply.

We can easily calculate an upper limit to how much power we can supply in the amount of space available. So the first question we must ask of each model is this: Does the design allow for the blade generating portion to be powered from a supply that can fit in the handle along with it and the controls?

Incidentally, power and energy are not quite the same thing. Energy is the capacity to perform work, power is energy acting over time. For more information on this topic, as well as the distinctions between volts, amps, watts, joules, etc., which seem to give people some real problems, I will post some basic info later, if needed.

Point # 2 - Size of Blade Generating Apparatus

The other side of the power issue. Once again, we are working with a limited amount of space. It does us no good to have a plausible means of generating the blade, if the gear to do so fills a room, or if it cannot fit in the space we have left after putting in the power supply.

Point # 3 - Safety

Even if we have a method of generating the blade within these parameters, if it inundates the user with x-rays or some other harmful radiation, its no good. If the device works, but the handle becomes red hot during use, its back to the drawing board. And so on. We must consider any unintended side effects and either eliminate or minimize them to an acceptable level. While a lightsaber is, of course, by definition, an unsafe device, we must still ask, "Is this model dangerous or harmful in a manner we didn't expect"?

Point # 4 - Current Technology

It goes without saying that the apparatus must make use of existing technology or at least be plausibly within reach of existing technology. This seems so obvious as to be silly, yet many models ignore it. Research along new lines of thought is perfectly acceptable, but we must have a basis for believing that it will yield results, and some practical means of attaining them.

Point # 5 - Adherence to Design Goals.

This point also seems so obvious as to be redundant. However, it seems to be ignored frequently, so here it is. Is the design we have for a working lightsaber actually a design for a working lightsaber? If so, then the blade must have the following characteristics:

Solidity - The simplest way to express this is to say that the blade must be able to deliver kinetic energy as well as cut through an object. A less technical way to express this is to say that if you strike an object with your saber, and it doesn't cut it, it will bounce off, and the object will have a tendency to go the other way.

Rigidity - The blade must not bend. If it has some slight give to it (like a really hard rubber baton or such), this may be acceptable, however, it must be strong, and have the ability to resist considerable  force.

Destructive Potential - It needs to be able to quickly cut through most, if not all objects, like....well....like a lightsaber

Defensive Potential (see solidity) - The blade must be impenetrable to other lightsaber blades as well as material objects (if they are not cut immediately, of course).

I'm really not worried about 'blaster" bolts, since at the present time, there are no such thing as 'blasters'. Although we do have lasers, you don't see them much in handheld weapons at this time. In addition, I somewhat doubt that there would be many, if any, who would actually possess the qualities needed to perform such a feat as blocking 'blaster' bolts at this present time, even if lightsaber's and 'blaster's' were both real. We'll beat that horse when we come to it.

Length - The blade is apx. 70 - 80 centimeters in length, and remains constant in attributes from the first centimeter to the last. This means it does not fade or change down the lenght of the blade.

This constitutes a good starting point from which to consider our models and ideas.The above points are not negotiable. They must be adhered to or the design is flawed. However, there are certain additional points which are preferred, but may be variable, as long as all of the above are met. For example, it is preferable that the blade be more or less pure energy. I would rather not have a telescoping rod, or other physical medium involved in any way in the blade itself, but if it works (in accordance with above), its a possibility. It is also preferable that the device be electrically powered.

Let's begin with a very incredible man by the name of Nikola Tesla. Tesla was a Serbian/American inventer who quite literally changed the world. In spite of this, many people have never even heard of him! I think this is a great tragedy, considering that if it were not for Tesla, history and the world we live in now would be a very different place.

Tesla was born on July 9th, 1856 in Austria/Hungary. Among his many accomplishments was the invention of radio. Yes, radio, and no, it wasn't Marconi. Though Marconi was given credit for inventing radio, the US Supreme Court later recognized in 1943 that Tesla's patent had priority over Marconi's, who incidentally was a student of Tesla's. Can you imagine a world without TV or radio?

Tesla also invented the fluorescent light, and this was at a time when Edison was still trying to perfect the filament light bulb!

Take a look at any wall in your home. In fact, what is your computer plugged into right now? An AC wall socket. Guess who invented the polyphase alternating-current system we use today? Tesla. As a matter of fact, Tesla also invented a means to supply power to homes WITHOUT WIRES, and even built a tower and demonstrated it's workability.

Tesla also invented the principle of the rotating magnetic field, induction motors, and other forms of motors, and most electric motors used today are no different that those shown in his patents.

Tesla had over 600 patents to his credit, including a telephone repeater, high voltage/frequency power supplies (Tesla coils), remote controls, robots and many many others. It is entirely possible that he was the first man to detect radio waves from space. Tesla was the first to suggest the principle of radar.

Tesla took the first X-ray photographs, and his designs for "individualization" introduced the principle used in logic gates in computer circuitry. And the idea of breaking up signals, moving them around in frequency or time, lies at the heart of present-day communications security.

Tesla holds the first patent for a vertical takeoff/landing craft, which he received at the age of 72. Among his most amazing inventions was that of particle beam weaponry in the 1930's!

Tesla dragged the world into the 20th century while he was alive and pushed it into the 21 century from the grave. Hard to believe? Yes. True? Absolutely. Do some research, read some books, check out some Tesla links on the web, and see for yourself. Then write a letter to the Smithsonian and the history books, and ask them why Edison gets all the glory, while the one man most responsible for our technological status as a species is hardly mentioned.

Tesla died on January 7, 1943 in New York City, almost penniless.

Tesla's work provides us with several concepts, which, when taken together, allow us to imagine a possible means of designing a real lightsaber.

The first, and most important concept is that of turning energy into a field with matter-like properties of solidity and rigidity, a force-field.

Tesla found that as an electrical arc's vibrations were increased in frequency, the arc began to act strangly, almost as if it were becoming solid matter rather than simply energy. This of course, is not surprising in light of Mr. Einstein's later demonstration that matter and energy are really different forms of the same thing. However, whereas Einstein simply demonstrated this mathematically, Tesla demonstrated it experimentally.

Taking this further, we can postulate that if we had the ability to create a high enough frequency electrical arc, it would not be simply an arc anymore, it would be a force field, in the shape of a thread. Let's call this the Tesla effect.

We are talking about extremely high frequencies here. Much higher than we have been able to create thus far. I'm sure the waveform is important, too. You can research this in Tesla's work, but there is not a great deal of info on this to be had, more or less just a mention of the effect. However, it provides us with a beginning.

Let's assume, for the moment, that we could create an electrical arc at a high enough frequency to achieve this effect. How can we make a blade shape out it?

Well, let's now look at Tesla's concept of the rotating magnetic field. All electrical motors today use this principle. It is based on the fact that a coil with a 90 degree out of phase electrical current running through it produces a spinning magnetic field. Could we use a spinning magnetic field to spin our arc thread into a circular field?

There is one final concept to be understood, which comes not from Tesla, but from current research with superconductors. We know that a superconductor will reflect magnetic fields. Could we use this effect to reflect our spinning circular force field arc out into a blade shape?

Lets put it all together...

My blade emitter design is as follows:

The inner electrode is surrounded by a circular outer electrode as illustrated. The lower orange portion represents the superconductor which is being used as a magnetic mirror. The outer brown ring represents the stator coils. An AC voltage is applied to the electrodes at the lower end of the Tesla Effect range, which along with the introduction of certain plasma catalyst materials into the arc stream provides us with the 'Tesla Effect' plasmoid arc, or tesloid.

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As the tesloid rotates,

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the magnetic field it creates is reflected from the superconductor underneath and the tesloid is repulsed in the opposite direction of the emitter.

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As the tesloid continues to expand, the alternating current and frequency is increased towards the higher end of the Tesla effect and power range, and the field repulsion in conjuction with this allows for the growth of the blade.

Please note - this is NOT a 'containment field'. It is merely the principle used to elongate the blade. At full extension, the AC reaches its peak for power, speed and TE.

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Some Design Problems

Power - very large amounts of energy would be required. Typically, in a normal arc, apx. 1000V (1KV) is needed to produce an arc of 1 mm in length. Since our tesloid is apx. 1400 to 1600 mm in length (to produce a 70 to 80 cm blade) this would mean we need a voltage of between 1400 to 1600 KV or 1.4 to 1.6 MV (million volts) if it were a normal arc. Various factors, however, such as frequency, for example, reduce the voltage needed, and I estimate our tesloid of the required length would need around 100 -500 KV, which while still extreme, is somewhat less daunting. Amperage, on the other hand, is another matter, not yet figured, hopefully will be very low.

Electrodes - The electrodes will be required to withstand a large amount of heat and stress. Not the full force of the blades power, but still enough that their composition will constitute a problem. A plus in this area is that since the point of contact is constantly moving, only a portion of the electrode is in contact for any given instant, therefore the stress is mitigated over a comparatively large area.

Superconductor cooling system size problems. - Currently superconductors require very low temps to operate. This means installation of a cooling system, probably liquid nitrogen. Given that the blade emitter itself will be relatively small, this may not be insurmountable, but I'm sure will bring a host of problems, absorption of waste heat reducing performance, etc.

Insulators - Insulators of an unusual sort will be required, given the attributes of the device.

Interaction of the rotating field with the magnetic mirror problems

Interaction of the field coils with the magnetic mirror problems.

Field coil induction problems.

Size of components is a big problem.

Weight of the finished device - it would be difficult to keep the weight of the device within reasonable specs.

I hope that this serves as a decent introduction to the topic. I will go more in depth into the idea as we go along, and if there are any questions or comments, I would love to hear them! I look forward to discussing this with all of you, and hope that we can, at the very least, have a lot of fun talking about it.

For those of a more technical frame of mind, other backyard inventors, etc. - I have a list of research and design goals and protocals to investigate actually experimenting and engineering along these lines as well. Not for the faint of heart!

Thanks!

peace,

Bodi
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yoda on June 30, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Thanks for posting that Bodi 8)

I think this will help spark some interest amongst the others here of like minded
concepts that have validity and could be developed for practical uses.

Like we had discussed the other day... a Lightsaber would be an alternative to the Jaws of life mechanism
uses for opening crushed cars as well as numerous other cutting applications where length control for
cutting depth is required as well as it's obvious weaponry applications if it can be wielded properly ;)

MTFBWY
always
YODA
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: SAESEE TIIN on June 30, 2007, 01:35:04 PM
I also highly reccomend researching Tesla as there is some amazing info on the guy.  My first stop was researching him on Wikipedia last year when we discovered one of our classmates looked identical to Tesla.  Some of the stuff will blow your mind and could possibly be applied to this very subject!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: LANDO CALRISSIAN on June 30, 2007, 02:32:07 PM
Hello Bodi.
Good job and great to see someone else giving the props to my man Tesla. I don't understand how I went through high school in the 80's and only herd of the man that laughed in his face, Edison.

I like you your concept and use of Teslas' research the only thing that I see as needing more consideration is how much power not just Volts but watts will it take to create a "blade that could cut and melt on contact. Tesla himself did great experiments with voltage and frequencies with amps were under the threshold of harm on the human body. We could theoretically increase the voltage to 1000v with the use of a transformer but the amperage required would not be there. Watts in = Watts out. We could even create a simulated phasing using DC inverters like Veriable frequency drives (VFD)but again that would require a little bigger of a hilt ;D.  However with the use of VFD's in computers now for cooling fans, the technology is getting more compact.

You have defiantly put more thought into it then myself and I believe you’re on the right track. If you do end up building one I think for my own sake I'll stick to the polly blade. I like my limbs.
Great job Bodi
And welcome.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yoda on July 01, 2007, 09:58:41 AM
I think the power conversion would wind up "improving" as it was developed.

Just like the theoretical sabers described in the EU it would start as a backpack to power it and as
power technology improved it could for see it being reduced in size. ;)

But to get the blade working  :) that is the first step...

Realistically it would be hooked up to a much larger machine for generating the power as a cutting tool
as that would allow for a repeated controlled testing environment to expand on it from that point.

I think also more important is the considerations of how the energy it emits will affects it's user.
That will play a crucial role in it's "practical development" ;)

Or at least the hand held version :D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on July 01, 2007, 12:00:56 PM
If power is a problem, what about stun guns?

http://www.betterhomesecurity.com/_1,000,000_Volt_Small_Fry_Mini_Stun_Gun.php?ref=1mil (http://www.betterhomesecurity.com/_1,000,000_Volt_Small_Fry_Mini_Stun_Gun.php?ref=1mil)

They get a million "claimed" volts out of three 3v batteries.

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on July 01, 2007, 01:35:27 PM
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If power is a problem, what about stun guns?

http://www.betterhomesecurity.com/_1,000,000_Volt_Small_Fry_Mini_Stun_Gun.php?ref=1mil

They get a million "claimed" volts out of three 3v batteries.



Hello, pianoman, good question.

In order to understand why this wouldn't work, you need to understand a little bit about the difference between volts, amps and watts.

voltage, measured in volts, is the amount of potential difference between the positive and negative sides of a circuit.

amperage, measured in amps, is the amount of current flowing through a circuit.

power, measured in watts is the actual amount of energy (or charge, or joules) flowing in a circuit over a certain amount of time.

you cannot express the power available in a circuit with volts or amps alone, because neither of these is an expression of power.

however, volts times amps = watts, which is an expression of power.

You can make almost any voltage you want, with transformers and multiplication circuits, but there's a trade off. Every time you make the voltage go up, you make the amperage go down (Ohm's Law). I won't get too technical here, but if you like there is wealth of information on the net concerning electronics/electricity and how it works. Use any of these terms to search.

Anyway, back to the stun guns. The power they have comes from those batteries, and this is limited, and is somewhere around milliwatts (thousandths of a watt). The circuit steps up the voltage, quite possibly to a million volts, but when it does, the amperage drops just as low as the voltage goes high, and so no matter what the voltage ends up being, if you take it times the amperage, you will always get the same amount of power out (milliwatts), or less.

One million volts at one millionth of an amp isn't too scary.

One million volts at one amp would vaporize you.

Now, as regards the saber design, it will require lots of energy, but much less than one might think, because it operation of cutting does not depend on brute force, so to speak, but rather on efficiency.

Think of a knife.

If you try to cut by pushing straight through what you're cutting, you'll more likely smash than cut. If you draw the sharp edge horizontally accross what you're cutting, on the other hand, it will slice through. Have you every seen those vibrating knives chefs often use? They cut like a dream, because they are moving that sharp surface back and forth many times a second, and it takes relatively little power to make a clean, deep cut.

In the same way, the tesloid thread in our blade is rotating at extremely high speeds, anywhere from approximately at least 50,000 to 100,000 revolutions per minute, or faster if we can get it to.

So, no, stun gun power supplies won't work, but thats ok. We have lots of other options...

peace,

bodi










Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on July 01, 2007, 01:46:25 PM
I didn't think it would, but Im glad you could explain that. I had a slight understanding about it but not the exactly.

Heres a question to you Bodi,


 Maybe the power cells in the lightsaber aren't very large, or large ones aren't needed because it doesn't waste much energy. If the energy was looped down into the saber it could recharge it as it uses energy. Therefore you would only need enough power to start the cycle and then it could keep itself going?
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on July 01, 2007, 02:14:42 PM
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...large ones (power cells. sic) aren't needed because it doesn't waste much energy.

That's the goal to reach, yep!

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If the energy was looped down into the saber it could recharge it as it uses energy. Therefore you would only need enough power to start the cycle and then it could keep itself going?

Another good question.

This, unfortunately, won't work. The tesloid thread is simply a conductor (although a very special and unusual one). If there were a way to recover the energy back out of the circuit, and use it again, you would have a perpetual motion machine of (I believe) the second class, which is prohibited by the laws of thermodynamics. Energy used is energy used.

Now, what one could do is to make the thing very efficient, so less power is needed, as stated above. This is what we will try to do.

peace,

bodi

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: LANDO CALRISSIAN on July 01, 2007, 03:45:46 PM
Energy used is energy used, very true and thus the problem with a perpetual motion machine. There would have to be a generator to charge the amount energy loss. More space needed and today I don't know of any 1:1 electric generators available. This is why we pay so much for power from the electric companies.

However energy is not created or destroyed it only changes from one source to another. So if you could use a small amount of stored electrical energy to start a reactor that would change the energy around us (combo Tesla and Einstein theories) you could have an almost endless power potential the blade. This would be something like Ramjet technology. This would be also way above me. This is kind what I think would need to be done for space travel. Use what's rapidly available.

One thing I thought of is what if light particle could be bound together like fusion. Creating a solid. I know this is not today technology. I don't know how much damage that would do at the blade though. However robbing that much light to solidify a blade would probably cause a light Of issues to the environment around you.

P.S. That is why stunguns don’t kill. Not enough amperage.

 
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on July 01, 2007, 05:18:42 PM
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So if you could use a small amount of stored electrical energy to start a reactor that would change the energy around us (combo Tesla and Einstein theories) you could have an almost endless power potential the blade. This would be something like Ramjet technology. This would be also way above me.


and me too!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on July 01, 2007, 06:13:38 PM
Ah Nick Tesla! What a guy! Truly an Icon of the technological age!

In regards to a backpack sized power supply as Yoda mentioned. A good example of the size limitations would be the generators for modern plasma cutters. About 15 years ago, they required a power source the size of a Mini Cooper. Now they are quite compact; about the size of a Mid to full tower computer case.

If the power supply could be made workable for a design such as bodi's, then as Yoda stated, it could be a matter of a few years until you see the same type of scaling in the size.

This is a very interesting topic. I will be watching this with GREAT interest!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: vivan_cygna on July 01, 2007, 08:42:10 PM
Me and my friends were talking about magnetic suspension with a heated element about a year ago while we were at a science engineering competition.  The one thing we couldn't figure out was how you could use an acclerated particle thats inside a magnetic field to cut something without being released from the field and harming the area around it, that article you posted C3PO was quite interesting.  I believe there were universities that actually attempted something similar to what you posted.

I think it is the superheated material that cut things. The accelerated particles are just used to heat up and "enlarge" the material and are being bursted into, so that the material also served as the containment of the particles.

Yeah, it would be very interesting to find out what being researched at the universities.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on July 02, 2007, 05:14:17 AM
Ya know Ive been thinking and I would be happy if all out technology was abel to get us was something like the beating sticks the cops have in futurama.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Yoda on July 02, 2007, 05:16:55 AM
Hmmmm energy conversion :o
A mini portable but not so nuclear reactor  ;)

could it be... conversion = acceleration or possibly acceleration = conversion

Conversion from acceleration would need to be self sustaining and limiting and hold containment
and retain form upon contact.
Sounds rather organic in nature as would be a "piece" of a lightning bolt.
But a bolt that is self grounding by reaching it's limit, thus a possible containment of length.


I think we still run into the factor of, Lightsaber = Glowing user :D


I keep getting drawn back to the possibility of a metallic compound being able to be the missing
element that makes it all stick ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on July 02, 2007, 03:04:36 PM
Well when I was on the carnival years ago I had a solution for when we dident have eletricity.

a Marine battery a 6plex multy plug and a battery recharger.

Maybe theres some way we could shrink this down alot.

That way the charger will recharge the batteries while your have it on and maybe a secondary switch to turn the recharger on at night.

But maybe the batteries will have to be protected some how and the recharger must be a smart type to keep from an over charge and explosion.

Theres these batteries that run on butain fuel but I dont know how thoes are gonna work out for us,

http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2920
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on July 04, 2007, 12:18:04 PM
Here are some extracts from a lecture of Teslas concerning the principle of solidifing an electrical arc through the use of extremely high frequencies. This is the lecture that first prompted my idea for the real lightsaber design.

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But by far the better way—the ideal way—would be to reach sufficiently high frequencies.  The higher the frequency the slower would be the exchange of the air, and I think that a frequency may be reached at which there would be no exchange whatever of the air molecules around the terminal.  We would then produce a flame in which there would be no carrying away of material, and a queer flame it would be, for it would be rigid!  With such high frequencies the inertia of the particles, would come into play.  As the brush, or flame, would gain rigidity in virtue of the inertia of the particles, the exchange of the latter would be prevented.

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The demonstration of the fact—which still needs better experimental confirmation—that a vibrating gaseous column possesses rigidity, might greatly modify the views of thinkers.  When with low frequencies and insignificant potentials indications of that property may be noted, how must a gaseous medium behave under the influence of enormous electrostatic stresses which may be active in the interstellar space, and which may alternate with inconceivable rapidity! The existence of such an electrostatic, rhythmically throbbing force—of a vibrating electrostatic field—would show a possible way how solids might have formed from the ultra-gaseous uterus, and how transverse and all kinds of vibrations may be transmitted through a gaseous medium filling all space.  Then, ether might be a true fluid, devoid of rigidity, and at rest, it being merely necessary as a connecting link to enable interaction.  What determines the rigidity of a body? It must be the speed and the amount of moving matter.  In a gas the speed may be considerable, but the density is exceedingly small; in a liquid the speed would be likely to be small, though the density may be considerable; and in both cases the inertia resistance offered to displacement is practically nil.  But place a gaseous (or liquid) column in an intense, rapidly alternating electrostatic field, set the particles vibrating with enormous speeds, then the inertia resistance asserts itself.  A body might move with more or less freedom through the vibrating mass, but as a whole it would be rigid.


If you would like to see the entire lecture, it may be found here - http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

peace,

bodi


Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: TheNewWinduMaster on July 20, 2007, 09:23:52 PM
Although I haven't read the entire thing, you did bring up some decent points. I'm pretty sure what you are talking about would cost over 20,000 dollars to create, but it seems kind of logical. But magnetic fields don't always work the same ways as Lights. Your talking about having a container to hold this "light" and project it to a certain area. While physics is my major knowledge, I know this is impossible for this generation. I'm sorry but unless you have access to materials we dont, it just isn't possible.

Things written in science don't need funding. And they dont need 100s of people which is what you need. Plus, the blade needs to be even on the sides, and this wouldn't be easy.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on July 21, 2007, 09:23:25 AM
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Your talking about having a container to hold this "light" and project it to a certain area.

Hello, Windu.

I'm sorry, this is not at at all what I'm saying. I don't think you have quite grasped the concept.

Also, I never said it was anything other than an interesting idea...

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on July 21, 2007, 10:48:26 AM
If I understand this concept correctly, the idea is that it is a form of containment field created by light at high density using the superconducter to stretch the field into a specific shape. i.e. Lightsaber blade.

Basically "Charging" the light into a focused beam using a magnetic field caused by refraction at a specific frequency?

:-\
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: SAESEE TIIN on July 21, 2007, 10:22:39 PM
I'm not sure if thats it Tyranus as you can't use a magnetic field on light as its not been proven to be either a particle or wave.  It seems as though its saying you would need to charge a material to get the light it produces (or rather energy) up to the highest frequency possible.  In this case it is talking about a gaseous material, almost like a cathode ray of high spectra elements.  It seems almost the only way to make a lightsaber is to put large amounts of energy into a material to produce the rigid flame as mentioned.  The light given off would simply be energy given off by electrons jumping orbit levels.  This leaves you with a magnetic field once again, or electric field.  I could be wrong though as I haven't done anything too much with physics for the past 2 and a half years, I've simply been doing work on electrochemistry and thermodynamics.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on July 21, 2007, 10:57:35 PM
I dunno I'm tired and it's not making any sense now. it did earlier when I first read the post a while back. Maybe I need sleep... ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: bodi on August 13, 2007, 09:26:08 AM
Let me see if I can simplify the explaination.

The basic concept is really pretty simple.

The blade is nothing more than an electrical spark (arc). Very much like what you get when you create a spark between two wires, using a transformer, or even a battery. It is an unusual spark, but just a spark.

We know that the higher the voltage, the longer the spark we can make. So we calculate the length of spark we would need, and design a generator to produce the voltage needed.

At this point, its still just a spark, not a lightsaber blade.

To get it to act like a lightsaber blade, we have to first increase the frequency of the current supply. When we reach a high enough frequency, the arc takes on the properties we are looking for. At the high frequencies we need, the arc is no longer just a gaseous plasma. It becomes 'solid' and 'hard', from the point of view of its physical properties.  It's the high frequencies that give the spark the 'solidity' and 'hardness'. We are really just turning the current on and off super, super fast, in a certain way.

There is no containment field. The arc maintains itself, it holds itself together, there is no need to contain it.

Each individual ion (charged particle) in the blade is held to the others in a manner similar to the way magnets hold onto each other. The blade does not need a containment field, and does not have one.

We do need to shape it, though, otherwise we would just have our 'solid' arc zipping between two electrodes.

The magnetic mirror does nothing more than push the arc out into a blade shape.

This is possible because we spin the arc, in exactly the same way a rotor spins in an electric motor, with a rotating electromagnetic field. The magnetic field is only needed to spin the arc, not to contain it. In fact, the arc is generating its own magnetic field, which pushes it away from the magnetic mirror (through reflection - like polarities repell each other), out into the blade shape.

It's just a very special kind of shaped and spinning electrical spark. Extremely high voltage and frequency. It's not made of light, although it emits light. It's made of a sort of condensed super plasma, which contains itself.

Does that help?



 



Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Raijlin on August 13, 2007, 11:49:27 AM
Nice...in theory.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: JediKnightGuy82 on August 18, 2007, 02:42:25 PM
If this is an electrical current, could it, like lighting, jump to another contact point i.e. a person or part of a room and cause damage?

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on August 18, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
In theory it would self contain, due to the high frequency and velocity used to form the plasma field. So effectually creating it's own gravity (in a sense).

If this is the case, perhaps our "lightsaber" design here, could theoretically be used to contain a fusion reaction... Or perhaps I am thinking a little too "fourth dimensionally"...

I haven't slept for 48 hours now, so neurons are acting a bit "bouncy" right now, and it's hard to focus. :-\
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Ketme-Hamje Traya on August 23, 2007, 05:59:04 AM
In a very basic BASIC context, it is similar, but not quite the same as how a fluorescent light might work.

But taken a step further as so it has no need for a solid material to contain the gasses that would be super charged at a high frequency. This mass of gaseous particles eventually become rigid at a certain frequency and as an after effect, produce a corresponding light pattern coherent to the gas used in the arc.

In other words the light part of this theoretical lightsaber has no part in the actual resistance or cutting ability of the blade, the true cutting force would be from the massively high frequency of the now rigid gas. This high frequency equates to a hyper fast cutting blade much like that used by chefs to make almost perfect cuts with little effort, also in other words, for those that are on the edge of understanding. The gasses are charged so much that they are not only rigid, but they also produce if not are isolating at extremely high rates of speed.

Did that about dummy it down and sum up the basic concept?
(My love in school was Science from kindergarden to my senior year)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Matrix_tjb on September 16, 2007, 01:41:18 AM
So has anyone here really put any extensive thought about how to realize the icon of most of our lives the Lightsaber.
I have done some thinking on the subject and have come up with a few theories of my own. I am a firm believer that a lightsabers blade isn't a laser that its plasma perhaps ignited by a highly focused high powered laser as we know that plasma can produce a cascading reaction as long as the ignition source remains constant (the laser helps here...lol). We also know plasma can be influenced by magnetic fields. Thus all we would have to do is figure out how to get a magnetic field to create a blade like structure. My theory here is have a rotating field generator that sends out one pole on one side of the emiter and the other pole on the other side but have this emitter send out powerful bursts of the fields to meet at a set distance thousands of times a second at the rotation of the emitter ensures that no gaps are left in the EM field. we know that a magnetic field wont stop on flesh or most other objects but tith the EM field fliping poles so fast its likely that another blade will be stopped I dont thing they would creat a violent repulsion because they would attract and repel thousands of times a second they would just not be able to pass eachother. The only problem with these theories is the power requirement and the size of the equipment needed to do this but as things get smaller and faster I can see this being possible soon hopefully before my time is up.

Feel free to punch holes in this theory as much as you like its been a work in progress in my head for quite some time and now its time to see if anything else can be worked out here.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on September 16, 2007, 01:56:50 AM
You should have the topic moved to here.

http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?board=67.0
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Matrix_tjb on September 16, 2007, 02:03:06 AM
why should i have that done?
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on September 16, 2007, 02:32:40 AM
Cause there is a topic about real lightsaber thoughts and such.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Cuke on September 16, 2007, 04:30:19 AM
I think maybe your pretty right. we could use one of the high powered green lasers that can burn things and have it shoot through a crystal or diamond or gem and such (whichever works) and see how that happens. if it makes the laser more spread out then like in star wars you have a secondary crystal that re refines it and makes it the beam we have all come to love.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Matrix_tjb on September 16, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
well i was mentioning the laser as a means to ignite the plasma and sustain it. the laser would have a tight focus and basically disperse almost totally a few inches away from the focal point reducing the risk of blinding your self
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Ketme-Hamje Traya on September 29, 2007, 09:50:51 PM
I still think the Rigid Gas theorem is more plausible with todays tech and certainly cheaper and much easier to produce the same effects.

What is the first thing you think of with EM fields, I think of "MAGNETS! Holy *explicative deleted*!!!" then I think of the POWER needed to run an Electro-magnet to make the field, finally I think of how much we don't know about controlling EM fields in the first place. The possibility of a catastrophic chain reaction with the hypothetically controlled EM field and the super heated plasma becoming unstable are very high and pose a potentially deadly threat if not threatening to injury.

Although both theorems include Plasma in their respective equations, the EM field theorem includes a variable that is for the most part, hard to control in good conditions as EM fields have a tendency to spread rapidly and uncontrollably.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2007, 07:45:06 AM
I also highly reccomend researching Tesla as there is some amazing info on the guy.  My first stop was researching him on Wikipedia last year when we discovered one of our classmates looked identical to Tesla.  Some of the stuff will blow your mind and could possibly be applied to this very subject!

HAHA i come from the same country as Nikola Tesla, He was a Serb, Like me.. thus making me super duper smart! ;D... Looks like I will be the one to create the FIRST lightsaber, Hmm? :D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Raijlin on September 30, 2007, 09:42:40 AM
Tesla at times was brilliant, and at other times quite the kook and nearly insane.

** Looks at the above post and ponders that thought. **
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2007, 09:46:08 AM
Haha yes true, But he was around in the 19th-20th Century! SO really, Much could have changed throughout the generations. My parents were both Serbian (Dad %100, Mum %75) So that leads me into the %87.5 Zone. (If your not counting my grandparents :P). But I was born in Australia, But that doesn't mean anything because its the blood that counts ;D I'm just an Australian Citizen, Thats all ;D.

 ~ Oblivion ~
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Raijlin on September 30, 2007, 10:00:44 AM
 >:(

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Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2007, 10:06:16 AM
Ouch  :-[
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on September 30, 2007, 11:23:36 AM


>:(

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Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: HAN SOLO on September 30, 2007, 06:16:40 PM
I have been assured by the Emperor that this thread will continue in the direction of a "real saber concept". ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthmorbius on September 30, 2007, 09:50:44 PM
Now back to the topic at hand. :)

Are there any other ideas?

I have noted that in previous posts, a power supply large enough to run this would require a lot of work to get it small enough to be feasible.

Really, I don't think it's too far in the fututre. If people can make modifications to a laser pointer that can BURN things using only the compact power cells they require, then a power source for a working lightsaber of the initial theoretical design in this topic is not too far-fetched.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Shui on October 13, 2007, 04:56:49 AM
Master Obi-Wan Kenobi described a lightsaber as “an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.” Contrary to what the name might imply to the uninitiated, the deadly blade of a lightsaber is not actually made up of pure light.
yeah, its blade is just some energy, no matter what the name says. I think that its called lightsaber simply because the energyblade glows
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Shui on October 16, 2007, 09:33:16 AM
 Hey i have found a good pic of lightsaber innards. ;D http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Lightsaber-cutaway.jpg (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Lightsaber-cutaway.jpg)
I didnt send the pic here because i didnt want any trouble with the copyrights. ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Cuke on November 01, 2007, 02:35:11 PM
Why don't we try a different approach. I don't think it will work  ;D but why don't we start really small and then get bigger. Instead of going HUGE and then trying to reduce size. It's a lot easier to make something smaller than bigger.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Ketme-Hamje Traya on December 03, 2007, 03:02:33 AM
well, it's already been done..half ways atleast. It's called a Plasma window, it has real plasma as the barrier between the two sides and is very very small, about the size of the American Dime coin or smaller. Sadly this one little window requires a HUGE area to store the gases for the window and a large ammount of energy to make it all happen.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: LANDO CALRISSIAN on December 03, 2007, 10:25:38 AM
baby steps. It all start somewhere. Today a warehouse of equipment to create a 0.5" plasma window tomorrow it will be a 5 and up home experiment for $5.99. exclusive at Radio Shack.





Well maybe not tomorrow. ::)  This one may take a standard galactic week. ;D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on December 04, 2007, 11:50:10 AM
one terrestrial hour?(mib line)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Guardian on January 21, 2008, 08:01:38 PM
I watched a Star wars special on the History Channel one time

I don't remember to many specifics, but they said a lightsaber could be possible if it were plasma

The only problem is that with todays technology it would take an entire building to house the equipment to make the blade

Oh well, maybe someday...
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Matrix_tjb on January 21, 2008, 09:31:57 PM
Now if we can only use antimatter energy to produce the suns energy in a package the size of 2 d cell batteries....lol
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Sidneyious on January 21, 2008, 10:59:31 PM
I think its more possable to make a futerama version than one that can cut thru everythign butitself.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: lowandheavy on January 22, 2008, 03:30:19 AM
Wow, I never saw this before. huh. Well, I had pretty much the same I dea as Matrixtjb, the power source I would use would be Fusion though. We had been working on fusion for sometime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Naven Cordama on July 12, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
This might be a slightly old topic but it could use some ressurecting. The following is not by me....

The Star Wars design of the lightsaber is not practical. However, you can use technology that exists today to build one that is practical and would work. There are two main ingredients to a lightsaber: a high-voltage power source (AC) and a strong electromagnetic field. With these two raw ingredients, a saber can be constructed.

Lasers are pretty much out of the question, simply because one too many vibrations could cause misalignment resulting in damage to the saber and possibly yourself or another. So in essence, all you need is those two ingredients. But I've been researching this for almost 8 years now, and have only recently found a way to implement conservation of energy, and that is in the form of resonant frequencies.

If you wanted a saber to be powerful, you would want the output energy to be easily achieved and sustained. Researching on that premise alone, there is promise in the concept that resonant frequencies would provide sort of a "lubricant" to lower the resistance in the "machine", so to speak. If you wanted a third ingredient, resonant frequencies would be the way to go.

I've been as forthcoming as I can be. The rest is up to you. Do your research. Learn about EM fields and resonant frequencies. Figure out how to attain a high-voltage power source that will an essence put lightning in a bottle - it's easier than you think. Get a team together. Teams work wonders
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Silkvein on July 15, 2008, 07:11:01 PM
Except for the fact that there is currently no technology available that would be anywhere near as compact as you would need and would create a cylindrical electromagnetic field.  To top it all off (literally) you would have to devise a method of placing a cap on the cylindrical field to avoid massive amounts of energy spilling out the top of the blade.  There are ways of solving the cap idea (ie: the design concept for the bloodbeam katana) but in reality, scientists are just now experimenting w/ shape manipulation of EM fields.  Also, the equipment involved in shaping such a field would fill up a decent sized conference room and requires external EM sources as well as the internal generator.
Maybe in 200 years.  For now, we get to pretend... which isn't all that bad.  Just not very useful when a platoon of storm troopers is raining blaster fire upon your head.
We stand a better chance of constructing a vibro blade in the near future rather than a lightsaber.
I've heard theory of using multiple lasers set at an extremely rapid and controlled strobe to ignite molecules in the air.  They are currently using said technology in experimentation for hologram projectors.  As is the case for most applications, the equipment is bulky and stands a slim chance of being stuffed in a lightsaber hilt any smaller than a louisville slugger.  Might make a decent LightClaymore though   ;)


Peace,
Silkvein
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Naven Cordama on July 22, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
And that pretty much sums it up

Lightsabers are a ficitional weapon that cannot be created
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Post by: Naven Cordama on July 22, 2008, 10:38:36 AM

Man you people need to get a job! ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on July 22, 2008, 02:45:52 PM
And that pretty much sums it up

Lightsabers are a ficitional weapon that cannot be created

Man you people need to get a job! ;)

I take it this is meant as a joke?   ???

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Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: vortextwist on July 22, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
Plus double posting is not looked highly upon!
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Post by: Sidneyious on July 22, 2008, 03:26:06 PM
And only mods can have more than one sig pic.
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Post by: Ketme-Hamje Traya on July 22, 2008, 06:56:54 PM
I know the concept of cracking down on post violations is necessary, and I do have to agree with the mods.
Try to keep it on topic and try not to kill a thread with a demeaning comment like:

And that pretty much sums it up

Lightsabers are a ficitional weapon that cannot be created

Man you people need to get a job! ;)

We are trying to think openly about possible theories, not definite factual methods, although those methods do hold some ground in said theories. We also try to point out how many of our theories have flaws and how improbable they may be to one or another, however, we don't undermine another's opinions.

To be brief:
Try to be more cautious when posting in the future.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: MoonDragn on September 12, 2008, 12:44:16 PM
Well heres my 2 cents for whatever it is worth.

Most of the almost possible ideas here involve plasma and a magnetic bottle of some sort. However a magnetic field cannot be shaped in a cylinder like that without something to generate the field on that end. I really don't think this particular idea is feasible.

I've actually given the idea of lightsabers alot of thought over the years and I see a few possibilities.

The laser idea would work if there were ever a possibility to make short duration Photons. Photons that burn itself out after a certain distance etc.

Unfortunately with photons, they really never burn itself out. Thats the reason they travel millions and billions of light years through space.

That doesn't mean you can't make a weapon out of light.

Look at this : http://www.i4u.com/article14324.html  (http://www.i4u.com/article14324.html) and  http://www.i4u.com/article14561.html  (http://www.i4u.com/article14561.html)

Bright enough to burn.


If you notice in that example video, it only burns at a certain distance away from the paper. Imagine a flashlight intense enough that it can burn up to say 36 inches; Throw out some particles that shows where the light beam is and you essentially have a lightsaber.

Of course, you could do this with a laser, which is just coherent light.

Another idea is to emit a stream of low energy electrons in a triangular cone shape that would deflect the photons at a certain distance from the emitter scattering them and thereby reducing their intensity.

http://www.phys.ualberta.ca/~gingrich/phys512/latex2html/node102.html (http://www.phys.ualberta.ca/~gingrich/phys512/latex2html/node102.html)

Lastly how about nano machines that can fly, and fly in a pattern in the shape of a blade over the emitter. They would arc plasma from the emitter between each other to form the blade surface.

Nothing is really impossible, just a matter of technology being advanced enough.







Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: TheChosenOne15 on November 17, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
just a thought that i had today in my physics class:

realistically, even if one were to create a way to form the blade and control its length like in the films, you wouldn't see the blade grow in lengh because the blade is made of pure light energy packets called photons. now since a photon is light energy, they are travleing the speed of light, therefore the blade would seem to instantaneously appear. so all-in-all the luxeon LED saber is more realistic than the power up/power down sequence of the MR or Hasbro sabers.

now what would be interesting would be if one could somehow control the photons' speed. hmm good luck slowing down the fastest thing in the universe. haha

MTFBWY
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Jedi10096121 on November 17, 2008, 10:27:03 PM
I have put a lot of thought into this subject myself and have come to realise that such technology is practically impossible to create in something the size of a lightsaber, however plasma being a dangerous substance which would electrocute, burn and even kill you, the concept of having a blade of pure energy with capabilities proposed in the movies would require an unreal amount of energy. but!

it is possible to have some form of microwave emmiter focussed on a flame or some other over excited gas to form plasma, and plama with its properties makes magnetic alignment possible, but how to produce a magnetic field without all the extras at the side of the blade to contain it is another question. however the whole idea is a bit forward and most of us public would never be able to own one for it would be considered the same as bomb/firearm constructin if not worse!!! so until such technology exists and the human race is responsible to handle such device! look what we did with nuclear power the moment it became a reality!!! however im quite happy with the force fx for my enjoyment, at least only the saber can be killed!!! there is much to say but it will turn up in some sentances or another.

i do hope such a weapon is developed though it would be an immense addition to humanitys innovative side! p.s. i think old george lucas deserves to have the first one if it comes sooner, who knows!!!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: TheChosenOne15 on November 17, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
it is possible to have some form of microwave emmiter focussed on a flame or some other over excited gas to form plasma

kind of like a pilot light if you will

it seems that a lightsaber or almost any other form sci fi weaponry has been deemed impossible by today's technology, but prior to the turn of the 20th century (as if it were oh so long ago) it was claimed that it was physically impossible for man to fly, it was said that it was impossible to split an atom, but i believe that it is the duty of physicists and engineers to challenge what is thought to be impossible, and if the wright brothers or einstein himself hadn't challenged those impossibilities then the world of today would not exist. my point is that as long as something is within the laws of physics then it's possible. so our beloved lightsabers, blasters, phasers, or what have you are all possible and whether or not they're created is up to mankind's diligence in challenging and overcoming the impossible.

just a few of my thoughts on future of technology

MTFBWY in your quest for the impossible
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: MoonDragn on November 18, 2008, 01:17:51 PM
actually, recent research has proven that you could simulate a realistic lightsaber like effect, by ionizing the air into visible light. By changing the focus, you can change the distance the ionized air is affected, creating a lightsaber effect.

However, I don't know if this would ever be powerful enough to do the same cutting the lightsaber can do.

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on November 24, 2008, 07:02:24 PM
Swirling in and around one another, a plasma’s charged particles interact constantly, giving rise to localized attractions or repulsions. External energy splashing against the plasma --- say, from a potentially disabling, concentrated burst of microwaves, or perhaps even from certain varieties of particle-beam weapons fired from military bases on Earth -- could be caught up within the plasma’s complex electromagnetic fields to be dissipated completely or deflected into space.

Sounds alot like the blade of a saber...

pulled from  http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html)


All in time.....FYI SHOWS THE CUTTING OF TISSUE...not bad at all just a heads up.

http://www.peaksurgical.com/video/plasmablade.cfm (http://www.peaksurgical.com/video/plasmablade.cfm)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Spaceman788 on December 11, 2008, 01:33:39 PM
HEAR ME OUT!!! I have an IDEA(hear me out)You know those laser cutter things that cut plastic,wood,glass,etc.? Well if someone found a metal that it couldn't cut through and created a hilt to hold the components,and made brace to hold the metal piece up about 3 feet,and aimed the laser perfectly in the center of said metal you would have a working lightsaber
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Kaos on December 11, 2008, 01:43:29 PM
With the recent advances in our technology, I'd say 10-20 years. The Military of course will have the rights to produce it first, then comes the consumer companies that will make it available to the public (us lightsaber aficionados  ;D).
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Delmustator on December 11, 2008, 02:43:49 PM
Until Man is able to produce high energy and control it in small packages, it will not happen.

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Dru-Er on December 11, 2008, 03:03:29 PM
Proto saber then I'm not too pickey!
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheforce.jaymach.com%2Fimages%2FArchaicLightsaber.jpg&hash=dbcd4ceff22d173e119357a906bb2522307dcc06)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: hullbreach on December 11, 2008, 03:35:33 PM
Light sabers are completely unrealistic fantasy contraptions that violate the laws of physics no matter how sophisticated the hypothetical future tech involved is. How could you contain plasma energy in blade form while still allowing that same plasma to come into contact with outside objects? Seems to be the very tech that would make the blade possible prevents it's very usage. And beyond some kind of force field trapping in the plasma, how else would you make it conform to the shape of a blade? You couldn't, is the simple answer.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: MoonDragn on December 12, 2008, 12:00:54 PM
HEAR ME OUT!!! I have an IDEA(hear me out)You know those laser cutter things that cut plastic,wood,glass,etc.? Well if someone found a metal that it couldn't cut through and created a hilt to hold the components,and made brace to hold the metal piece up about 3 feet,and aimed the laser perfectly in the center of said metal you would have a working lightsaber

The only problem with that type of lightsaber is that there would be no cutting edge, it would be blocked by the brace holding the metal piece up.


Light sabers are completely unrealistic fantasy contraptions that violate the laws of physics no matter how sophisticated the hypothetical future tech involved is. How could you contain plasma energy in blade form while still allowing that same plasma to come into contact with outside objects? Seems to be the very tech that would make the blade possible prevents it's very usage. And beyond some kind of force field trapping in the plasma, how else would you make it conform to the shape of a blade? You couldn't, is the simple answer.

Actually, no, after some serious thought, and reading up on the latest advances, I think it is entirely plausable with our current technology.

What you do is to have multiple beams of lasers that ionizes specific locations in the air above the hilt. This set of lasers will create a visible "blade" of light because of the ionized air, at the same time the sychronized laser can cut through objects. Because the laser is normally not powerful enough to cut anything from just one exposure, you won't feel the laser except along the points where multiple beams are focused. There it will combine the cutting power to be strong enough to cut through something.



Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Nuuton on December 12, 2008, 06:09:01 PM
Light sabers are completely unrealistic fantasy contraptions that violate the laws of physics no matter how sophisticated the hypothetical future tech involved is. How could you contain plasma energy in blade form while still allowing that same plasma to come into contact with outside objects? Seems to be the very tech that would make the blade possible prevents it's very usage. And beyond some kind of force field trapping in the plasma, how else would you make it conform to the shape of a blade? You couldn't, is the simple answer.

there is a book titled Physics of the Impossible by Dr. Michio Kaku. he talks about the possibility of a majority of sci fi technology such as starships, robots, phasers, and our beloved lightsabers.  it really puts perspective on technological possibilities. these are just what he calls a class 1 impossibilites, as he has three classes. i really is an excelent read.

-MTFBWY
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Spaceman788 on December 13, 2008, 05:11:09 PM
To the person who said:The only problem with that type of lightsaber is that there would be no cutting edge, it would be blocked by the brace holding the metal piece up.

There would only be one brace up one side.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: MoonDragn on December 16, 2008, 09:26:53 AM
Then the brace would either have to be thin enough or the blade cut thick enough to cut through an object. Or else the brace would get caught every time you tried to swing through something.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Spaceman788 on December 19, 2008, 11:16:35 AM
it is thin enough
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: hullbreach on December 19, 2008, 11:43:31 AM
What you do is to have multiple beams of lasers that ionizes specific locations in the air above the hilt. This set of lasers will create a visible "blade" of light because of the ionized air, at the same time the sychronized laser can cut through objects. Because the laser is normally not powerful enough to cut anything from just one exposure, you won't feel the laser except along the points where multiple beams are focused. There it will combine the cutting power to be strong enough to cut through something.

Hmm, I'm no physicist but it seems to me that you'd still require some sort of chamber to contain the ionized gas -- or else it would drift away with the first swing, and the lasers would need some type of reflector at the "focal point" to prevent the laser beams continuing on into infinity.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Silkvein on December 19, 2008, 12:33:03 PM
The ionization process takes literally microseconds, so it would be useless trying to contain the result. 
The way this tech works is that several lasers "intersect" in the air creating temporary focal points for ionization to occur.  given proper programming, you can work out a set sequence that would create literally thousands of focal points in a given geometric area.

There is already a working model of this tech.  There is even a thread about it in here somewhere w/ a video demonstration of its holographic capabilities.  They're not at a level where they can "cut" anything yet, but the mla (multi laser array) unit is quite capable of projecting 3d ionization holograms into the air.  A blade would be perfectly possible given the proper advancements.  If anything happens w/ this in the near future, it will probably just give us a very bright weightless blade.  I believe laser tech still has a bit to advance before a cutting version is even thought about.

Still.... no more blades.... weightless feel... realism...  All of those things would still be worth the effort in my opinion.  I wish this tech were more commercially available so that we could experiment a bit.

Peace,
Silkvein
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: CybKnight on December 20, 2008, 03:00:55 AM
Well, although it is a nice idea, no fencing would be possible...  ;D
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: DevilGuy on February 26, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
it'd probably be like a really long cutting torch if done that way.

I'd say that the best way would be to use a layered magnetic bottle, an interior bottle that holds the energized plasma that is the "blade" the second bottle would hold a low energy ionized gas that would form an envelop to keep the outside air from interacting with the "blade" (you'd need this so that the atmosphere wouldn't interact with the superheated plasma and start shedding hard rads.

of course to do this you'd need energy in unreal amounts, on the scale of a compact matter antimatter annihilation plant, at which point it'd be more efficient to simply package the fuel as a bomb and drop it on the continent you were mad at...
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: darthtater on February 26, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
I always thought of aving a non retractable saber using plasma cutter technology. I dont draw but i was thinking one thin rod coming out of the hilt with three to five more rods around it in kinda a hexagon fashion. The rods would actually do the cutting like a plasma cutter does but along the whole length of the blade(rods). 
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Nuuton on March 04, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
hi,

i think i solved the plasma container problem:

why not use the recently developed nanotube technology? my idea is to create a nanotube about a meter long.  if one were to run enough electricity through the nanotube allowing electrical discharges on the molecular level thus ionizing the air around it, wouldn't we be controling the length of the plasma "blade." now if we can master nanotechnology, we could even make it retractable.  seeing as the nanotubes are well nano they can be easily compacted into a very small space.  the primary tubes can be extented or retracted by nano-springs (obviously made of a different typs of atom/molecule so as to be less conductive than the blade nanotubes) which can be compressed or allowed to expand. 

all of this however may be in distant future, but progress is being made in nanotechnology.  last i heard simple nano machines such as pullies and such have been created.  progress in only bound by the limits of our imaginations.

MTFBWY,
Master Nuuton

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: RandallFlagg on April 25, 2009, 09:42:46 PM
Please bear with me here. I have to explain HOW it'll work before I explain the WHY.

All matter is surrounded by a kind of cloud of electrons. Everything you see and touch is made of atoms consisting of a certain number of protons, neutrons and electrons, depending on the structure of the atom. Electrons surrounding the atoms are all negatively charged, and repel each other. My fingers are typing on this keyboard with success because the electrons surrounding the atoms of my fingers are resisting the electrons surrounding the atoms of the keyboard.

What if, through some collossal blunder of physics, the atoms of my fingers were surrounded by a cloud of positively charged electrons (Called Positrons)? My fingers would then pass through the keyboard, causing a shearing effect that would seperate the matter at the atomic level, damaging the keyboard as well as my fingers. Reducing both to dust and their meeting points upon contact.


NOW...

According to the canon of the lightsabre, it hums, emits light, cuts through anything except blaster fire and another lightsabre, and generates no heat whatsoever. And, as shown in Episode One, WILL generate heat while cutting into something (The blast doors on the Trade Federation ship).

Let's look at the cutting aspect first. What can cut through anything? Well, if all matter is surrounded by negatively charged electrons, then positrons would be the ideal means of achieving this.

So, the lightsabre blade is not light, not plasma, and not energy. It couldn't be because those kinds of blades would simply pass through each other, rendering any kind of fencing defense meaningless. A positron blade would, however, stop ANOTHER positron blade. It would cut through anything else surrounded by electrons (All forms of matter) with ease.

The rest is a bit on the theoretical side, but here goes:
It would glow due to the positrons shearing the atoms in the air when activated, generating photons of light in a very intense manner. The humming sound would be the sound of this, as you move the blade in the air at a higher speed, the humming sound escalates in tone because the atoms are sheared faster.

Scientists have the ability to control electrons in flight, and it happens naturally (Lightning). What the blade would consist of in the most basic terms would be an arched stream of something called, "Anti-Lightning." This would make the beam into a kind of waterfall -eminating from the center of the emitter, travelling out the length of the beam, then turning back into itself. The positron stream is so small that the effect would make it LOOK like a continuous shaft of light, instead of an arc.

Someday, someone's going to come up with this at first as a replacement device to, "The Jaws of Life," and use it to clear and cut rubble to pull survivors from wreckage quickly. Then, it'll be used in military applications -firing a beam like this would penetrate the toughest tank armor. Thus, blasters are created.

To counter blasters, an armor of positron shielding would have to be built to withstand the blaster's destructive onslaught.

And for lighter and more mobile defense against the blaster: LIGHTSABRES!
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Master Durangus on April 25, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
Just throwing an idea out there, Lightning is the most powerful electrical "substance" out there. One bolt of lightning provides ionization, as well as provides a TREMENDOUS amount of power. Through Lightning Rods (courtesy of Benjamin Franklin) we've been able to somewhat direct and "attract" lightning, but have not been able to fully store the energy a lightning bolt produces.

If we figure out how to store the energy of a lightning bolt into some form of a battery, we'd have enough power to run a lightsaber, or anything else really. Just an idea :-)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Ketme-Hamje Traya on June 02, 2009, 04:07:37 AM
I think there might be a Florida study on trying to do that as a renewable energy resource, Capasitor/Transformer technology or something to take and hold it.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Koza on June 12, 2009, 01:52:56 AM
Years ago, I found blueprints of a "plausible" lightsaber using a tesla coil. Probably a joke, but I'll post it up when I find it again. I know I saved it somewhere in an archive disc.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on July 04, 2009, 05:06:45 PM
This is my 1000th post so I decided for it what better than to tackle the 'delusion of grandeur' of a REAL 'lightsaber'.

First let me define that I am not going to be too concerned with SW fictional 'canon'...if anyone wants to say "it aint a REAL lightsaber if doesnt have crystals or an 'arc wave' [whatever that is] or doppler hum like Unca George and his FICTION writers said it should" then MTFBWY but I'm coming from this from the "certain point of view" that, to paraphrase the Gump, "lightsaber is as lightsaber does"...I am only considering FUNCTIONAL parameters.

For the same reason I'm qualifying functional adequacy based on performance against IRL materials...not 'tritanium' or 'durasteel' or 'phrik' or 'cortosis'...I'm also not going to look for something that "cuts through ANYthing" since "only a Sith deals in absolutes" but on the other hand if it harms flesh but won't cut commonplace real-world metals like aluminum or steel then functionally its not a lightsaber - to me...imo it should cut with little or no resistance through any normal organic or inorganic materials in our real lives; flesh or fabrics, wood or brick or concrete buildings, car or aircraft or train bodies etc. If you can't cut your way through the battleship Iowa's turret instantly with it that might be ok but if you cant cut yourself out of a car wreck with it then its not functionally good enough to be considered a 'real' lightsaber imo...clear enough?

One last thing...whether it's 'blade' IS light like what Anakin called a "laser sword" or something else that creates a lighted glow as a secondary effect there has to be the appearance of a 'blade of light' - a visibly materially bladed "sword of infinite sharpness" with say a monomolecular/monatomic edge that cuts much like a fictional lightsaber but has no light associated with it in any way would be very interesting as a real weapon/tool but there would be no reason to call it a "LIGHTsaber"....on the other hand it MUST also have the functional characteristic of being able to block and parry other 'blades' of its own type in order to be functionally used like a lightSABER weapon.


Okay now that the caveats are out of the way I'm going to address a couple of possibilities mentioned in SW fiction.

1]

Firstly in 'G-canon' TPM Anakin refers to a "laser sword"...is it possible to build a sword with lasers and would that be a lightsaber?

The standard excuse used by 'skeptic' debunkers pooh-poohing the possibility of a laser sword is their claim that one can't get a laser beam to stop at a meter from the hilt to thus be a sword blade...most debunkers stop thinking right there and are lazily self-satisfied with their naysaying.

I say "au contraire"...there is a simple [which doesnt mean easy] way to get a 'sword blade' using lasers that will stop a meter from the hilt.

Use two - or more - high powered lasers of opposite waveform that are paired and aligned to intersect at a distance of one meter. They will thus not propagate any further because of WAVE CANCELLING...the same principle used in noise cancelling iPod headphones.

If the alignment system is variable and motorized - perhaps using a multi laser array as mentioned or a DLP type multiple micromirror system this could also produce a 'blade extension/retraction' effect.

What it could not produce however are blades that can duel...laser sword blades would pass right through one another and thus be useful as tools for rescue or forestry or other work applications...but not as weapons for duellists.

Possible yes...lightSAW TOOL yes, lightSABER weapon no.

2]

Secondly the EU has referred to "plasma sabers" as a distinctly different technology existing previous to lightsabers in SW fiction...but can a plasma saber be built with the functional characters of a lightsaber?

The standard excuse used by 'skeptic' debunkers pooh-poohing the possibility of a plasma saber is their claim that one would be too impractical to use as a weapon because an enemy could simply throw in a magnet and disrupt containment killing the saber wielder...most debunkers stop thinking right there and are lazily self-satisfied with their naysaying.

I say "au contraire" once again...there is a not at all simple and not easy but possible way to contain a plasma blade such that a magnet thrown in would not disrupt containment. I can't say TOO much because if the other technologies required to make plasma sabers arrive in my lifetime I will want to patent it but I can give you the basic hint...

...multiple magnetic fields moving suchwise that a debunkers magnet or other charged things like another saber blade would be presented with constantly varying and rapidly reversing polarities such that they could not penetrate the multiply redundant containment fields...this would also have the seemingly contradictory characteristic of blades both repelling AND attracting one another...the effect would be, you guessed it, 'saber locks'.

This would make shaping the plasma inside into a 'blade' more difficult but the solution to that is using lasers to ionize direct guide paths for the plasma to follow inside the fields instead of being diverted by/to them..yes the aforementioned technology that would be used in "laser swords' could be applied here.

'nuff said on this because if we ever get the other required technology for power supplies etc I'm going to want to try it...but I'm reasonably certain this would work in principle...practice would require R&D of course.

The other main problem is moving enough mass of hot plasma through the system to cut through dense objects near instantly when needed without the saber being constantly and literally 'too hot to handle'...there is a way around that too and oddly enough it would create a gyroscopic effect within the hilt just as the fictional canon describes...but again I can't say too much in case adequate power and cooling supplies arrive to make real sabers patentable in my lifetime...you might be able to figure it out from that though and if the other enabling technologies arrive later this century after I'm dead good luck to you.


Possible yes, lightsaber-LIKE definitely...practical? not yet, pending a few technological breakthroughs.

And it wouldn't be nearly as efficient as another more advanced possibility that might superced it as a 'true' lightsaber.




SOOOOOOOO here we come to what I consider the most likely way to get a REAL 'true' lightsaber that functions with a performance equal or equivalent to those shown in the movies.

Positrons have been mentioned.

Very close...but no cigar.

I have pointed out for several years and on other forums that 'lightsabers' actually appeared first in STAR TREK in the 60s.

BOO HISS...okay you can all stop throwing rocks at me now.

But it remains that the MOST lightsaber-like 'blade' possible would have to be be one made of exactly what Coomodore Decker described the "Doomsday Machine" used for "SLICING" up planets in the ST TOS episode of the same name.

"pure ANTIPROTONS...ABSOLUTELY pure!"

Unlike a theoretical positron cutting beam an antiproton beam wouldnt 'cut' matter at the electron shell...it would 'sever' matter at the NUCLEAR LEVEL...more pointedly it would literally DISINTEGRATE matter at the nuclear level through TOTAL ANNIHILATION of protons in matter atomic nuclei.

Nothing gets more efficient than that except a whole-antimatter beam which would be spectacularly "unsafe at any speed".

And because of the extreme efficiency involved an antiproton cutting beam could be microscopically fine...

...indeed it had better be because antiproton cutting would release a gamma ray flux...if the beam was thick any Jedi using it would radiation-poison himself whenever he cut an enemy...using a very fine beam however would mean very little total amount of gamma radiation would be released and thus the beam could still be safe to the user.

There would be other secondary effects to antiproton cutting...along with the radiation the disintegrating atoms would release considerable heat that could cauterize flesh wounds...but the heat would be highly localized if the blade was thin enough...thus the antiproton saber would not be 'too hot to hold' in either sense...thus the blade would not 'radiate' heat...but its cuts would be heat-sealed...sound familiar?

Antiprotons would also release light as their electrons were liberated...an aura of intense WHITE light would surround the invisibly thin cutting surface of the actual antiproton stream...sound familiar?

And because it cuts by mutual annihilation of atomic nuclei protons it would cut through almost anything [coincidentally the Doomday Machine was described as having a neutronium hull...neutronium since it has no protons to annihilate is the only form of matter that could resist an antiproton cutting beam] with virtually no resistance possible....sound familiar?

Before anyone suggests an antiproton saber would 'blow up' like an antimatter bomb [it wouldn't] that is exactly why you would use only antiprotons NOT 'whole' antimatter...and only a very thin beam.

What it actually would do is "split atoms" by annihilating protons...not annihilate the entire atom catastrophically like whole antimatter would...but even nuclear fission releases a lot of energy as we've all known since Hiroshima so thats why the beam is very very very thin so it only splits a relatively tiny FEW atoms as it cuts. Very quickly. Through almost anything. With great efficiency.

Oddly enough some the same technical solutions applicable to aforementioned laser sword 'saw tools' and plasma saber 'weapons' could have application in these though sometimes for different reasons...and since antiprotons are negatively charged particles some electronics principles could be adaped and there would be use for beam guidance lasers and the magnetic containment field system would be...derivative...the gyroscopic hilt effect would likely also appear but for a different reason. Delivering large amounts of antiprotons would never be required [and dangerous] and the efficiency of splitting even a few atoms would allow much lower power requirements than plasma cutting to cut through equivalent amounts and densities of material...but as you can imagine a contained particle stream of pure antiprotons would be a MUCH more technically advanced challenge.

And miniaturizing it so an antiproton cutter could be self contained in a 'flashlight' sized hilt would be something probably requiring quite advanced nanotechnology assemblers building tiny cyclotrons or looped double helicoid coil particle accelerators and particle guides at the molecular level...next century probably but I doubt we'll see it in the first half of this one.

Possible? Theoretically yes. Functionally like a real lightsaber? ALMOST EXACTLY so [no crystals though, sorry Unca George]. Practical? Not anytime soon unless the 'alphabet boys' are sitting on a lot of suppressed technology including nanoassemblers and room temperature superconductors - the two main requirements.

'Someday' there will be ABLE to be real lightsabers.

Will there be real 'Jedi' or 'Sith' to WANT them enough?








Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Firedrops on August 01, 2009, 09:20:53 PM
all these ideas are pretty interesting, but i have something to say.
having a lightsaber as a warfare weapon in today's age is useless.
WHY?
our bullets travel much faster than our visible eye can detect, so any bullet can easily hit the person, unless the person is so lucky that the bullet just nicely shoots into the "cutting" part of the lightsaber.
also, even when we develop laser blasters and stuff, it won't be anything like in star wars, the "laser bullets" will only look like a flash of light(well, it is light afterall), instead of travelling slowly like those shown in star wars.

so instead of making a single blade of light, we need a "lightshield" thing. it will still be able to cut through as it will have the properties of a lightsaber, but at the same time blocking/disintergrating physical bullets.

well.. one step at a time though.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Darth Raijlin on August 01, 2009, 09:36:50 PM
Actually, tracer rounds and other forms of technology exist that allow you to track the trajectory of the round.   ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on September 13, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
A "lightshield" probably would be more tactically useful in real life since we real humans don't have Tactical Precognition like Jedi/Sith to be able to intercept the path of bullets. But any technology that could disintegrate bullets in the eighth-of-a-millisecond [assuming sub-4000fps conventional bullets as worst-case scenarioand a six inch safety spacing shield gap] necessary to prevent one from being 'peppered' by HOT vapourizing fragments/gas that could be directed into a presumably discoid-shaped shield would probably also be able to made into a linear 'blade' even more easily...getting antiprotons to 'arc' within a containment field would be a challenge...getting them to SPIRAL out in a >meter wide disc then spiral back in while maintaining containment would be an even greater challenge.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: djobitwan7 on December 30, 2009, 11:40:43 PM
Since Tesla is also the man of discussion, lets not forget that he was also responsible for DC (Direct Current) electricity too. Oddly, he worked for Edison to make funding ( I believe he dug ditches) and just before that (the reason he hated Edison so much) he worked on the problem Edison was having. He fixed it and when said payment was not produced........Tesla left.

I'm not sure of the exact reasoning why Edison got all the glory, but I can remember that Tesla was at times cruel to people. He was brilliant, but he also had a photographic memory. Edison did not, hence his many, many mistakes comparitively to Tesla.

The best achievement, in my opinion was Tesla wanted electricity to be free. It still could be, but that's another frustrating story. Now they mock his invention(s) of wirelessley charging things and it only works when you are close (only 30 ft).

It's a shame that a lot of his inventions will never see the light of day, but if something he mentioned or anything that allows an early version of a lightsaber to be born...I'm all for it! If I had any skills in this department, I'd throw in whole-heartedly.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: General Veers on January 03, 2010, 09:19:56 AM
Is it possible?  Yes.  Is it possible this day in age?  Yes.  I believe I can shed some light on this topic.  Seeing that I have no life this is something I have actually researched.  The technology is becoming available now that we can build some what of a lightsaber.  HOWEVER, the technology isn't caught up enough to where we can make that hilts the size of a flashlight.  No it takes about a 2-4 story building of machinery to make something even close to a lightsaber.  ALSO, if the laser provided by that building and the laser provided by another building full of equipment were struck together, they would not make a clash noise merely meet and pass through eachother or meet and make no sound.  I actually saw this on a History channel show called:  "Star Wars Technology:  Is it Possible?"  Really though folks, through the whole thing I was sitting there saying to myself,  "Who cares if it's possible?  It is a mans brilliant, ingenius idea that we have all come to love."  I was also thinking, " I could be at home swinging one of my PolyC sabers around.  My limbs are very important to me ya know."  Very interesting concept though Yoda.  I will most definatley be following this thread.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Lord_Mobius on January 03, 2010, 10:44:33 AM
I had myself given thought to aiming two or four beams of opposing wavelength to intersect at the 3ft point to create the contained beam but I was always of the thought that the beams would simply pass through each other... however looking at some of the ideas here it really makes me wonder...

My only concern would be, I cant even think of how many times I have grazed my leg or accidentally grabbed the blade... god forbid guy guy wielding this weapon trip or stumble... unless you built in some kind of proximity redundancy device for the holder, you would be in trouble.

still it would be amazing to see it done.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: 4hv on January 10, 2011, 09:17:19 PM
Since Tesla is also the man of discussion, lets not forget that he was also responsible for DC (Direct Current) electricity too. Tesla was the inventor of AC not DC. Funnily enough though, once the war of the currents was over and AC reigned supreme Tesla completely abandoned it, in favor of IMPULSE DC, which was superior. Oddly, he worked for Edison to make funding ( I believe he dug ditches)Nope and just before that (the reason he hated Edison so much) he worked on the problem Edison was having. Improving the efficiency of Brushed DC motors He fixed it and when said payment was not produced........Tesla left. Yep, and then he pooed all over Edisons tech. ;D

I'm not sure of the exact reasoning why Edison got all the glory, but I can remember that Tesla was at times cruel to people.Thats news to me. Brilliant, OCD, and other things, I have never read anything relating to Tesla being unusually cruel to anyone.  He was brilliant, but he also had a photographic memory. Edison did not, hence his many, many mistakes comparitively to Tesla. Edison got all the glory because Edison was first and foremost a business man, and the fact that the powers that be wrote Tesla out of the history books. Tesla was a student of the pure sciences, natural science, whereas Edison was one of applied science. There are nearly no pure scientists these days, its all about the $$. If you can make money off it then you make a science out of it, regardless of whether it conforms to natural law.

The best achievement, in my opinion was Tesla wanted electricity to be free. It still could be, but that's another frustrating story. Now they mock his invention(s) of wirelessley charging things and it only works when you are close (only 30 ft).  I have seen and heard evidence from solid reputable sources which state Teslas wireless power systems are actually in use today, discretely of course, military or large corporations etc. Never for the public, because they cant place their meter on it, and if you cant meter it how can you charge for it! I have a benchtop model of wireless power demonstration I have built that can transmit wireless energy up to 6 feet, for less than 50ma. MIT made a big spectacle of resonantly tuned wireless energy transfer a couple of years ago and made it seem like they had invented it. In reality, they are just touching the tip of the iceberg of what Tesla did.

It's a shame that a lot of his inventions will never see the light of day, xxx straight, he changed our world completely with the ones they did let through. but if something he mentioned or anything that allows an early version of a lightsaber to be born...I'm all for it! If I had any skills in this department, I'd throw in whole-heartedly.

Sorry, I know its an old thread but I just had to add my 2 cents. Tesla was, and still is THE MAN when it comes to this stuff.

There was some talk earlier of using high voltage and high frequency to induce electrical arcs, essentially plasma or lightning bolts. The biggest draw back with this is the randomness at which these arcs travel. If you were holding a Tesla coil tuned to discharge a bolt of 3-4 feet it more than likely would just arc back to your hand, direct path to ground through your heart, goodbye. If we could use some means to guide this arc or confine it then it would be more plausible. Tesla used a strong perpendicular magnetic field in his spark gaps to "quench" the spark, for faster switching speeds. Once the arc stretched across the points it was hard to extinguish, requiring a strong magnetic field or compressed air or suitable dielectric material to break up this action. Rotorary spark gaps were a common method. Funnily enough, everyone seems to think that Teslas air core transformer was designed specifically for display of high voltage arcs, when in fact Tesla only ever let the arcing occur in an attempt to tune his devices. Tesla saw the arcs as an incredible waste of power and worked hard to eliminate this wherever possible.

Ive often wondered how the VTTC (vacuum tube Tesla coils) are able to provide such straight, "sword-like" arcs. It would seem at first that the tubes were necessary for this to occur, however recently Steve ward demonstrated a different switching technique he refers to as QCW (quasi continuous wave) which exceed even the best tubed coils. A short video can be seen here
The straigtness of the arc itself is what is particularly interesting.

Compare it to any of the other coils (besides VTTCs) and you will see the difference.

At least we have the SITH lightning sorted  :D



Regards

Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: nartules on January 10, 2011, 10:29:47 PM
Companies are now trying to invest in producing technology for short wave wireless electricity
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-02/tech/wireless.electricity_1_electricity-low-power-wireless?_s=PM:TECH
Tesla was on to something great, but he had a big idea and pitched it to people with small minds, who were interested in profit.  There was no money to be made in providing free energy to the masses.  People also didn't need electricity for anything other then powering a few electrical items within there household and around town.

Now though, shortwave wireless energy transfer does have a market it can mature in.  People have laptops connected to their wireless internet, as well as cell phones they take everywhere.  The main drop back to these items in the requirement to plug them in every so often, disabling their wireless capabilities.  So companies now are investing in ways to allow these items to power wirelessly.   So far we have seen mats where you can drop your cell phone on to charge them as well as larger items.  The next step would be to set up more mats for you to drop things on to charge, with a central location sending out small amounts of electricity to power things over time.  Imagine coming home from work and having your phone charge automatically, and your laptop would be free to move about the house if you had several central locations to charge it from within the household.

I already have wireless internet, having it charge wirelessly would be nice as well.  Small steps now, which I personally hope will turn into bigger steps later.  Oh and nokia is working on a battery to charge devices with ambient radiowaves - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/10/nokia-mobile-phone

Then I would have no reason to buy a seperate mp3 player other then what was built into my cell phone.

For lightsabers, I think we need to learn how to see the future and make sure we don't cut our limbs off before we actually make a lightsaber that can do it.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on January 11, 2011, 10:05:58 AM

For lightsabers, I think we need to learn how to see the future and make sure we don't cut our limbs off before we actually make a lightsaber that can do it.

Indeed.

Precognition is real, as has been known since the beginning of history as well as to those of us who have experienced it...but AFAIK no one has ever been able to use it reliably continuously enough to be TACTICAL precognition which is what we need to develop to be useful in wielding a lightsaber...until then building a real lightsaw could be useful as a tool for emergencies but NOT practical as a weapon - knowing even without seeing where the blade is and is going to be - would be the key to lightsaber safety with the kind of weapon use seen in the SW films.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Gil Gamesh on May 14, 2011, 11:59:55 AM
I just have to ask, after seeing a bunch of posts from random peeps in the last few months.....What is up with starting an account on a forum and pasting walls of text that mean absolutely nothing?  I figure it's a form of spam, but I fail to see how it is benefitting whoever is doing it.

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I don't get it
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Forgetful Jedi Knight on May 14, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
Gil,

Those are bots that appear to do this to try and compromise the site. Thankfully the mods are great at catching and erasing these threats ASAP. Some even specialize in this I am told.  ;)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Han Skywalker Antilles on November 13, 2012, 09:43:21 AM
Old Thread...I know, but I gotta add my 2 cents. I think as close as we'll get in our lifetimes is a hilt, probably powered by some sort of backpack (protosaber style) with something akin to an old telescoping car radio antenna.

Imagine two of these antennas about an inch apart (in the same hilt, obviously), about 36 or so inches long and joined at the top by an upside down "U" of the same material. It could still telescope up and down into the hilt, except now you have a joined circuit that doesn't require you to break the laws of physics. Whatever energy you see powering this thing, you would have an arc of plasma traveling up one side and down the other, but so close that they blend together to become one, like two water droplets. If you could insulate the hilt enough and make the plasma hot enough...who knows.

This also solves the two beams passing through each other during dueling, provided the "antenna" material is strong enough. Maybe impregnated carbon nano tubes...
You could beat the xxx of them and never damage it...

I'm just bummed that this thread died before I joined...     :(
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Scorpion on November 13, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
i made a fully working saber with a real ejecting blade yrs ago and nobody cared



i made in on april 1st 2011  ::)
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Drazel O'Thumos on November 13, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
i made a fully working saber with a real ejecting blade yrs ago and nobody cared



i made in on april 1st 2011  ::)

How did you do the trick?  :D
If only such an ejecting blade device was possible. That would make it far more realistic (instead of having to attach and detach a blade each time that you want to use your lightsaber).
Maybe using a telescopic polycarbonate tube would be a solution.
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Scorpion on November 13, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
i was just messing around one day, it was one of my empty mr hilts i put all the electronics inside the blade and used an elastic band to eject the blade from the hilt it worked really well tbh but what you couldnt see on camera was the blade sticking out the back of the hilt, id absolutely love a saber that ejected some sort of blade and retracted it it would be soooooo cool
Title: Re: Real Saber Concepts...
Post by: Deceptae on May 11, 2013, 10:12:12 AM
As far as the blade, I would have to say not plasma, but an actual laser. i know what you are saying, "you can't stop a laser," well, yes you can. not yet, but scientists are working on making super-powerful electro-magnetic fields that can slow down lasers by an infinitesimal fraction of a second. eventually, if they continue work, they could actually be able to stop the laser. and maybe after that, be able to fit the necessary junk into a reasonably sized hilt.

as far as keeping track of the blade, the action of the laser burning through the air and making ozone may cause some resistance to simulate weight, but barring that, I would advise becoming powerful in kundalini meditation and making your psychic powers usable.

so, yeah, i think it is possible, and within a century, maybe sooner. well see