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Well Master Yoda's asked me to post this for him and, oh well, here it is:
YODA wrote:
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Hello everyone:
Well I'm finally done with my HYPERDYNE conversion that I installed in
a Vintage Graflex and styled it as an ESB.
I'll start with the Electronics:
All the electronics are a High Quality Surface Mount system that is as
well put together as any other similar Radio control type electronics that
have low mounted components to improve their shock resistance.
The Blade Boards, V2 Blue.
3 individual PC type strips connected by teflon jumper data type cables.
Blade Tubes, are simply Dual Nylon tubes.
The Driver, V2.
Includes most all features imaginable with the different core pulse
rates and my favorite...
the movie flicker effect.
Slow, Medium or Fast Blade Ignition speeds and a selectable 9 levels of
brightness.
The Sound, Amplified L6.
That elusive snap hiss start-up sound many have been wanting is very
movie accurate
The Battery, 11.1 Volt and Charger.
The Battery is a relatively compact 3 cell unit and comes shrink
wrapped and pre wired.
The charger is an easy to use AC/DC alligator clip type.
So on to the installation... This required having numerous spare MR
parts around to complete and the conversion took along time to do because it requires hand
fitting and refinement to the users personal preference as you install it.
I wanted it to be as perfect as I could ; ) and to fit it all with in
the Graflex and have the blade be easily removable simply by loosening the
set screw (Red button ESB glass eye ANH).
First I decided to use an MR type of tube instead of the Nylon so it
matched my other sabers.
Both types Diffuse equally well... you may still see some slight hot
spotting from the LEDs but it's acceptable once the effects are used.
If your going to duel with it, use the Hyperdyne tubes as it makes a
stronger set up.
The MR set up is weaker and harder to do but looks nicer if the intent
is to just display it.
I used the inner diffuser foam and diffuser tube that I fit into a
custom length polycarb tube cut to match the blade boards.
The Blade board jumper wires (teflon strip type) are a bit long for my
taste and I actually cut them down and stripped the ends and re-soldered the connections to allow the
boards to but together.
This set up is not as duel worthy as leaving the length of the strip in
place... but it allowed me to significantly reduce the dark spot created by the gap of the strip.
(I may eventually replace the teflon strips with a different type once
I find an acceptable replacement to allow it to flex more again, but as I said... mine is for display so
I'm not worried about it.)
Then I used an MR Blade Bottom connector to fit the Hyperdyne blade
plug into.
(Both the Nylon and MR tubes could be made to accept the bottom plug)
If you want your Blade to be used for Dueling then go with Hyperdynes Dual tube setup
as it will allow the blade to take the impacts it was designed for.
Th Dual Nylon tubes provide a strong set up and will take a lot of punishment.
I just wanted the polycarbonate look to match my other sabers.
Which is one of the nice things about a Hyperdyne as you can build it the way you want 8)
I also used one of these types of connector housings to mount the
driver plug into the Adapter in the Hilt.
I used a Graflex shop adapter because it's a deeper socket and allowed
me to hide the entire plug in the hilt as well as have a space to seat the custom made
housing for the inner plug coming from the driver.
I then moved onto fitting everything inside and quickly started to run
out of room as I got near the bottom, but everything did fit once I shortened all the necessary wires
and routed the recharge plug in a housing to hold it.
In typical saber layout fashion the Driver and sound board sit under
the adapter and the battery is at the bottom on top of the speaker.
The entire assembly is held in place by a plastic tubing that is used
for protecting the long flourescent bulbs.
I simply cut it to wrap the correct diameter and used 3M VHB Double
sided tape to adhere the tube to the upper mount and act as a support for the inner
electronics.
This also eliminates the possibility of any electrical components touching the metal shell of the
inside of the hilt.
After all was said and done (2 weeks later) I was able to start testing
it out.
The Battery takes about 3-4 times to charge it to get it primed enough
to hold a good charge. (typical of many "rechargeable" of amy make-up)
So here are my findings...
At Max Brightness Level 9... drains the battery way to quickly and puts
out more heat than one would want so I don't recommend using it at the brightest level.
It's simply not needed once the rest of the effects are set and an
acceptable brightness level for the blue is between level 4 - 5.
This will keep things running for approximately 35 minutes with flicker
and flash effects constantly going being triggered as well as multiple ignitions and shut downs.
The Shock sensor is mounted to the board so it takes a good whack of
the hilt to trigger it but this can be remedied by removing it from the board and attaching
leads that will allow the installer to mount it in a more sensitive manner.
MY personal settings are Movie flicker effect and Level 4 brightness.
I like the way it came out and it definitely is the brightest blade
available with the most effects built in to a complete working system.
My only suggestions to Hyperdyne were as follows:
(1) make an "optional" one piece blade board for eliminating the Gaps
for the purpose of display if not being used for dueling.
(2) Separate the shock sensor from the board so it can be mounted in a
more sensitive user defined location.
Other than that it's really up to the user to be familiar with the
system in order to achieve optimal operation and installation.
Also by making the blade plug in and out as I did adds convenience BUT!
Even though the housing for the inner plug in the hilt is held by a set
screw...
It's still plastic holding onto metal and if some one didn't know to
pull it straight out gently and decides to twist it around... it could dislodge from the screw and
it will ruin the inner components installation integrity.
So my advise is if you plan to make a similar "plug in" removable
blade.... Be careful with it when plugging in and out.
The only way to remedy this is to make a special adapter that would
have a channel in it that would match up to an alignment guide that would need to be glued
to the blade.
It would have to be a special design specifically for this application.
All in all I'm pleased with the set up, but it's not for the faint of
Patience of installation nor is it for the faint of wallet because...
at $505 for the system $120 for a Vintage Graflex $50 for Grips and set
screw eye or button, Graflexshop adapter $25. $10 in misc plastic parts... AND you'll need
spare MR parts. Then of course... there's the time it takes to do it.
Let's just say it's not cheap by any means and you really should have
experience soldering and installing to attempt this type of customized installation as I did with this
Vintage Graflex.
HOWEVER....
If all your doing is simply plugging everything in and sticking it in a
hilt with the fixed blade method it would be a lot easier as the Hyperdyne instructions on the
disk show you to do.
Essentially you can pull it out of the box and charge up and plug it in
and it will work. It all amounts to the installation integrity which is up to the user.
If you have an extensive or elaborate Lightsaber collection and want to
see how different it is in comparison to the Stock MR Sabers in your display... then this System is for you.
The attached pictures will show you a visual reference as to how mine
was done.
Also attached are the picts of the Hyperdyne, MR and My Graflex Luxeon
for brightness comparisons.
Both the Hyperdyne and Luxeon make the MR blade look weak and
underpowered.
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Now on that note since I know everyones going to ask my opinion...
Hyperdyne system addresses the flex issue but is still a Saber blade
with electronics in it. As much as I like the way it looks, I wouldn't duel as hard or as much
with it as you can an empty blade.
Hence why I feel the types of sabers are in different categories...
LITERALLY
Compare the brightness all you want... but structural integrity are two
separate worlds and to compare or even debate the two is pointless.
"Empty Bladed Sabers" or "Component bladed Sabers"
A Luxeon is simplicity (at it's finest in a Graflex of course) and much
cheaper/easier to replace the blades and maintain it.
The Hyperdyne is a more complex system that requires more user
interface and because it's a component blade It shares this category as the MR does.
But it has all the features and advantages many originally wanted to
see in their MRs.
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I've added this to my collection in my favorite type of hilt... now I
need to find just the right place to display it.
May The Force Be With You
always
YODA
AND NOW TO THE PICS:
click to enlarge!
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MOVIE FLICKER EFFECT TEST VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEcPtpoMHqc
--- levelnext says: WOW Thanks Master Yoda for keeping us posted! That's a sweet saber.
may the force be with you all.
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Thank you very much for posting that Levelnext 8)
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my pleasure!
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Interesting that the Luxeon is not as bright as the stock MR, the Hyperdyne looks awesome, is this site going to offer the converison here
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Truly magnificent.
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wow!
i want!
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I disagree with the note that states that the Luxeon make the MR saber look underpowered. In the picture to me it looks like the MR blade in brighter than the Luxeon, I have never liked the bright base which I know can never be eliminated, the Luxeon looks even lite but the MR looks brighter, the hyperdyne looks great but at a very expensive rate.
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absolutely beautiful....That is the best saber I have ever seen in my life!
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how is it fighting with
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Looks much better than the Luxeon , I like the fact that it doesnt have the bright base.
What are the measurments of the blade?
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WE NEED A VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saw this coming a mile away, I did. [/Yoda] ;D
But that's because I frequent Jim's Hyperdyne forums. ;)
A MOST IMPRESSIVE conversion, and I love the way you went about doing it, great job Yoda!!
-Kyp
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Wow. :o That thing is fantastic!
The Hyperdyne system is def the brightest saber out there, but at that price, I would be way too afraid of breaking it to even use it.
That said, it is a dream saber for most of us, IMHO, and I like to think that I will get one 'one day'. 8)
Let's see some demo vids, I haven't seen a vid of a V2 Hyperblade yet, and would like to see what its' capabilities are. ;)
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I also noticed in the pictures that the blade is well secured , Looks sturdier that the MR
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OMG!!!!! Can we expect a Video master Yoda.
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Amazing conversion :o That removable blade makes it the perfect saber. Simply astounding- Yoda you should definitely offer a conversion service. You could charge whatever you wanted because that is just perfect.
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I disagree with the note that states that the Luxeon make the MR saber look underpowered. In the picture to me it looks like the MR blade in brighter than the Luxeon, I have never liked the bright base which I know can never be eliminated, the Luxeon looks even lite but the MR looks brighter, the hyperdyne looks great but at a very expensive rate.
My take on this. I think people sometimes get the wrong impression about Luxeon sabers. In 90% of the pictures you see the saber is either against a wall or laying on the ground. This very much adds to the flare at the base os the blade. When you are holding the saber normaly [in the air] you really dont see the flare that much. Thats just my opinon.
BTY Yoda, that saber rocks.
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I had a Luxeon and the base had a flare in it with or without the background, I am not knocking the craftmanship in making or constructing luxeon saber I think you and Ultra and all the other builders out there do great work, but its a technology that I dont have much interest in, I think MR stock sabers are better with one exception they can break but I have dueled with my MR sabers hard and not one except for my Mace ROTS has ever had a light break, flicker or turn off completly
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Thanks for the compliments everyone... 8)
The Purpouse of this Site is just this... for those who want to know to be able to make informed buying
decisions to help assist enthusiasts determine what's right for them.
I do concur with JSS and ULTRA and TCSS and CORBIN and My own FX-SABERS GRAFLEX Luxeon conversions.
There is still no substitute for the durability and ease of Luxeon operation, including blade removal replacement
it's also the most cost effective for long term ownership overall.
The Hyperdyne represents a different category like the MR as I've said and it appeals to the collectors that
want to have it to ADD to their collections.
I don't think there are many newbies that rush out and spend close to $1000 on their first Lightsaber.
Remember... Like all sabers does look brighter in the pict than real life, but the picts can give you gives a decent
comparison in luminocity for those who are used to looking at these types of picts... compared to their in person
visual effect.
It really is a lot brighter than an MR... but it doesn't have the clean look fo a luxeon or the corbin like core
which is my personal favorite look for any saber.
(untill a real one is developed ;))
The owners I've talked to that have them agree that they'd rather use their Luxeons for dueling and save their Hyperdyne
for a brighter one of a kind display piece, usually in their favorite type of hilt.
Of course there are those who use them for dueling but I've not talked to them about their experiences yet.
The Hyperblade System is expensive and need to be assembled and maintained correctly in order to be enjoyed
to it's full potential and It adds a brighter LED piece to the collection.
I'll see if I can get some kind of Video together this week? ;)
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are the hyper blades removeable
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Resident Evil - Yes the blades can be removable. They connect with a multi pin plug. ;)
Master Yoda - I look forward to that video. :o
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video would be great yoda! i look forward to it too.
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Wow! That looks amazing.
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whoa so its like a luxeon that rocks
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Well, not quite like a luxeon. More like a mega bright and durable FX with a blade that just unplugs. Awesome piece of kit.
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yep we definatley need a vid ;D
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yep we definatley need a vid ;D
I second that. ;)
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I think I have a multi pin plug :o
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the blade is "replaceable"
it is only "removeable" if you make is so as I did ;)
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Here's a small update: uploaded a test video clip on YouTube for Master Yoda, no sound at the moment but we will be adding more later. Located on the review post. Enjoy!
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It wasn't loading for me... but thanks for doing it Boba :)
Anyone else able to see it? If there is a problem with the size, I'll try and make it shorter ;)
I'll try posting the link here again...
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Okay now I see it and it works fine...
I'll try and do some more comparison Vids next week ;)
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No problem Master Yoda ;)
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That Looks awesome and extremly bright in the video.
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Hyperblades still hurt your eyes when watching them on video :D
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I'll be sure and do the next Vid's outside at Dusk, so everyone can get a better View 8)
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Wow that thing looks unreal! Unbelievably bright, and I love the flickering effect. An outside vid at dusk would be fantastic. Let's see you doing some spins with it, Yoda.
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Master Yoda, again congrats on a beautiful conversion! Man, I would love to have a saber in a graflex flash like yours. :o
Anyway, great video. You can certainly see how much ambient light your blade throws out - enough to immerse the user for sure. I personally cant stare at the v2 blue blades without my eyes hurting.
I would love to try and take a 30fps video of the movie flickering effect. I have been wanting to do that myself. That way you can see the detail of the effect. Right now when using my 10fps digital camera the effect is washed out from lack of temporal detail.
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ever think about joining up together and ruling the fx galaxy
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ever think about joining up together and ruling the fx galaxy
and we shall have...peace
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Only if it would bring... peace! justice! and security! to my new... just kidding :D
However!
On that note I have made some suggestions to Hyper about expanding his product line...
Adapting the driver to use his system and sounds with Luxeon conversions 8)
We will see if he is receptive to it and I'll keep people informed ;)
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Where does he get those wonderful toys..oops wrong movie, but still that would be amazing nonetheless.
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maybe then the prices would drop a bit later in the future
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I can only afford the MR sabers, I dont see myself owning a hyper blade just because of the price but I see they are worth it
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Mmmmmmmm... movie flicker! It's everything I hoped for. It even appears random.
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I beleive there is a bit of a cycle to it but the flicker is very random looking.
The pules rates are the ones that are consistent and do look cool but... the ramdom like
flicker effect is really what made me feel it was worth while :)
Along with the Luke L6 sound with the quick start up sound 8)
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the quick start up sound is awesome.
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maybe you and hyper could put your heads together and make a mobile speaker backpack to go with the sabers
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or maybe an FM transmitter in the hilt so that sounds play on any FM radio.
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back pack.....who wants to carry that around lol....
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I personally Like in hilt sound so I wouldn't be back packing it :D
The Blue tooth option is for those who feel they need it and will utilize it
in a public or personal theatrical atmosphere to have the option of building
it that way if your doing events that are actually coordinated...
that's a lot of work though :D
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good point that fm transmitter sounds pretty awesome
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in-hilt sounds are the way to go for me.
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how about both ideas made into one
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I always like the in the hilt sound I am work right now does the video sound like a actual saber or one of the MR sabers
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Yoda,
Is there a chance you can post a sound clip?
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Or better yet, some sweet vids with more detailed looks. ;)
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documentary
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I'm actually going to be "re-doing my blade so it's more duel worthy.
I'll be switching back to Hypers Nylon dual tube set up for strength because the
polycarbonate with the MR foam inside is to flexible and not as strong as it could be.
I'll also be using new wires for the blade connections so... once it's done I'll try and get
more video clips done for posting ;)
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Wow! Congrats master Yoda!!!
This conversion seems to be the ultimate Lightsaber, untill we get some "real one" ha ha ha!!!
It's really far brighter than the MR, and the pulse core effect makes it closer to what we see in the movie!!!
Could make a vid with the clash effect??? It would be nice!!!
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Glad you like it :)
Once I get this blade rebuilt I'll be sure to include the clash effect.
I have to try my other camera and see if I get sound as well.
The clash effect is a little difficult to set off because it's attached to the board
and everything is snug in the hilt and is easier to set it off when tapping the hilt.
I've made my suggestions to hyper how to remedy this and He saw the benefit
of it being on leads so it is seprately mountable to compensate for sensitivity
in these tight fitting applications.
I'll do them with in the week as long as I can get the blade redone okay ;)
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alright :D
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Very nice Yoda-BUT.........................
How much did you spend on that beauty? ;D
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Good to finally see some video of Hyperblades from people who bought/installed/worked with them!
No question that it is bright! Cool! :)
Looking forward to more video, some explanations of settings you chose, how long the batteries will last on brightness level X and so forth...
And Jim--no blinding yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you blind yourself with your own Hyperblade... how the heck are you gonna duel with Mark... uh... or make more sabers? heheh :D
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We need more video reviews please.
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I highly doubt Yoda will be posting another video review of this saber. ;)
Please be mindful of the age of the topic before posting. The last post here was 2 1/2 years ago.