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Title: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: KingOfDathomir on April 06, 2013, 01:48:18 PM
Now that all previous media related to Lucasfilm (Lucasarts, ILM, and Lucasfilm Animation) have had all their projects and assets cancelled, sold to third parties, delayed indefinitely, and/or otherwise "resolved", Disney has announced its intentions for the future of the franchise. Most of the material, if not all future media (at least for now), will be sequel trilogy focused.

One of these projects appears to be a cg animated post-Rebellion era series similar in layout to the Clone Wars, and will also feature iconic characters from the OT. It will see our heroes and their allies in the Rebellion as they hunt down the remnants of the Empire in events directly following the destruction of the second Deathstar, and may foreshadow the events in the sequels.

Okay, so no Papa Palpatine. No Vader. So are all the villains going to just be Imperial officers? Sure, Thrawn was cool, but if his back was against the wall he didn't possess the means to stand up to a fully-trained and armed Jedi Knight, though he would have most likely died trying. Next we have the delicate issue of just which characters will be in the series. Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, Lando, Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar, and Wedge will likely make up the mainstay of the cast, but also to consider are other honorable mentions like Garm bel Iblis, Boba Fett, Rahm Kota, Starkiller, Maris Brood, Kyle Katarn (my pick ;)), Jan Orrs, and the RotJ ghost-Jedi trio. Less likely to appear (but possible) are Ahsoka, Ventress, Maul, clone-Palps, and any surviving recurring clone character from CW.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: IndustrialAction on April 06, 2013, 02:40:26 PM
It'll be interesting to see if they decide to wipe out the whole EU or integrate that stuff into the series.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Subvirtua on April 06, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
My guess is no EU if only because Disney might have to share some revenue with it's creators. I don't think Disney like to share ;) .
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Deke on April 06, 2013, 03:02:41 PM
My guess is no EU if only because Disney might have to share some revenue with it's creators. I don't think Disney like to share ;) .

Nope.

When they wrote under the Star Wars license, the rights to those characters/stories belongs to Lucasarts, not the creators. So no, they don't have to get paid.

The best we can hope for, is that the major characters stay, but get new story (ie Jaina, Jacen, Anakin (less likely), Mara and Ben). Everything else is highly unlikely I think.

Anyway, on topic, whats the source? I saw Dave Filoni talking yesterday about developing a "new" show for lucasarts animation now that clone wars is done, but no confirmation on what it was.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: KingOfDathomir on April 06, 2013, 03:08:17 PM
I did mention Thrawn but only to express why Imp officers would make poor dramatic villains (PT political villains ne1?--no thx), but some may notice I didn't mention Mara. Its because I'm already prepared to see Disney butcher the EU. Lucas would've done the same, but at least now Disney will put some more creative talent to the franchise (hopefully).

Edit: source is Comic Book News
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: WEDGE ANTILLES on April 13, 2013, 09:37:36 AM
new details are emerging about the upcoming/planned SW animated series:

the title is SW:Reclamation.   

the first few pages were posted online by a disgruntled LFL employee.

read them here:

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Star_Wars_Reclamation_An_Animated_Series_151068.asp



it seems to merge the "SW:1313" storyline into the rebellion-era (?) -- my guess, the prequel-era "1313" video game will be re-purposed to fit the new storyline, and will still be released -- but in the ST-era instead.
(suddenly..  I can see why they cancelled the game -- for a complete overhaul into the ST-era -- "1313" will support the new animated series).
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Starwinder on April 13, 2013, 12:31:10 PM
Hmm ... an interesting article.  Thanks for posting the link Wedge.

I don't know ... color me skeptical, but i have a hard time believing these draft pages are genuine Lucasfilm material.  References to 1313, a character named 'Calrissian', the main jedi character turned away from training because he's "too old," (really? the New Republic isn't hurting for more Jedi?) yet his master "taking it upon himself" to train him, plus the usual 'mysterious Mandalorian' character all just seem to point to a fan-made draft that uses too many familiar themes to hide a lack of creativity. 

Additionally, Leia's story centers on hiding the cover-up of her relation to Vader (presumably because of the political fallout) as well as "her attempts to ward off other scandalous indiscretions from her past..."?  Sounds way too serious/dark/political for a Star Wars animated show.  Especially considering Leia is one of our heroes and is more concerned with the well-being of the galaxy than her Organa-Solo 20 ABY (or whatever) ticket.  I'm not saying this angle couldn't or shouldn't be done, but it smacks too much of trying to capitalize on themes/shows popular in our culture today and it immediately made my trained writer-senses tingle.

The mysterious Mandalorian character named Manco (rhymes with Jango?) sounds like a character i came up with in middle school, complete with "a bionic arm that morphs from blade to blaster and back again."  Seems way too over-the-top.  He is a deadly force to contend with ... but let's not forget that he's also difficult to read!

I wouldn't mind being completely wrong about all of this.  To play devil's advocate, it is a concept draft after all, so plenty of things are subject to change.  And I'd love for a good quality animated Star Wars show to be on the air!  I just hope this overview isn't an indication of how the show will be written...
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: KI-ADI-MUNDI on April 13, 2013, 12:52:03 PM
I'm not buying that either... The lone Robin Hood character dressed in black with a Lightsaber gee I wonder who that is?... :o
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Starwinder on April 13, 2013, 02:59:09 PM
Oh yeah, i had forgotten about that part lol!  Clad all in black ... armed with nothing but a lightsaber and an astromech droid...  The mystery is killing me!!  :-X
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Cad Bane on May 20, 2013, 08:26:40 AM
http://tvline.com/2013/05/20/star-wars-rebels-series-disney-xd/
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: lgtsbr on May 20, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
I just saw the announcement, I'm actually hopefully optimistic about this.  Maybe a Vader hunting down whats left of the Jedi Order, that has the potential to be really good.

Dave
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on May 20, 2013, 12:06:20 PM
I'm glad to see that the early days of the Rebellion will get some much deserved on-screen coverage. And it will help the transition out of the PT era back towards the OT and then ST eras.

The early Rebellion era lacking many Jedi will likely mean few to no new lightsaber designs for us here to replica, and Rebels may refocus the drama towards ships and piloting and space battles perhaps...but that might be okay too eh?
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: lgtsbr on May 20, 2013, 01:13:31 PM
I'll flip the coin, and I'm not trying to start a arguement, but we don't really know how many Jedi, or ex-Jedi, survived Order 66, so there might be some new designs, more than any of us think.  This time frame has not really been fleshed out.  Perfect example, Ahsoka, she walked away from the order so she may have survived the purge.  Maybe she tries to 'rally the troops', think of the story arc there for a second because she probably has no idea that Vader is Anakin.  Ventress is still out there.  So is, I would assume unless they executed her, Bariss who was arrested at the end of the Clone Wars series.  Who really knows how many Jedi/ex-Jedi did the same.  Maybe they will flesh out Yoda's and Obi's self imposed exile/hiding.  I believe that there had to have been more Jedi that survived.

Mara Jade is another example that comes to mind, the Emperor's Hand.  How many other force sensitive, lightsaber weilding, wrecking balls are out there.  Did Vader actually teach a apprentice?  How many times did the Emperor try to replace Vader with a younger version just like he did Dooku?  Did Vader try to overthrow the Emperor?  The possibilities are endless on what could be out there.

Or, not better for us Saber collectors, how about a young Han Solo story being fleshed out.  Or more Boba Fett (not the whinny kid).  Or, dare I say it, they left the Maul story wide open after The Clone Wars series, will they play that out?  Could you imagine the hunter Maul would make?  One of the last lines Palpi said to Maul was that he had plans for him.......

Dave
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: hedgehog1 on May 20, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Well, it looks the the name for the animated series will be: STAR WARS REBELS

http://starwars.com/news/new-animated-series-star-wars-rebels-coming-fall-2014.html (http://starwars.com/news/new-animated-series-star-wars-rebels-coming-fall-2014.html)

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The action-filled series is set between the events of Episode III and IV -- an era spanning almost two decades never-before explored on-screen. Star Wars Rebels takes place in a time where the Empire is securing its grip on the galaxy and hunting down the last of the Jedi Knights as a fledgling rebellion against the Empire is taking shape. Details about the show are a closely guarded secret at this point.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Telestar on May 20, 2013, 08:51:43 PM
This is encouraging.  After the untimely death of Clone Wars I hope this Rebels is at least of the same caliber.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: hedgehog1 on May 21, 2013, 12:34:23 AM
Video of the folks who are doing 'Rebels':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bdfFos3PYQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bdfFos3PYQ)

Folks from clone wars are working on it, others from disney animation are also part of the team.

This is a close to a 'dream team' as we could get for Star Wars animation. 
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on May 21, 2013, 07:20:18 AM
Filoni would not involve himself in this if he hadn't received assurances Disney would at least equal the quality of TCW, otherwise it would damage his professional reputation to do a lower quality show than he'd done before. Disney for its part knows that they need this to be good to reassure fans that the ST will be as good or [I think we all hope] better than the PT. This will be seen as 'writing on the wall' for the future of SW under Disney's banner so it HAS to be good. A 4 billion dollar purchase won't be risked on substandard animation; this WILL be at least 'good'.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: hedgehog1 on May 21, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
... This will be seen as 'writing on the wall' for the future of SW under Disney's banner so it HAS to be good. A 4 billion dollar purchase won't be risked on substandard animation; this WILL be at least 'good'.

I very much agree.  When you spend 4 billion on a property like this, you ar not in a 'half-measure' mode.  This is a best-foot-forward project for both the animation and movies, and I expect they will will fully rise to the occasion.  Disney knows it can make the 4 billion and much, much more back only if they are good stewards of this galaxy far-far away...
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: KingOfDathomir on May 26, 2013, 12:27:05 AM
Now that the timeline for this series has allegedly been pushed back into "the Dark Times", hopefully we'll see some of the open-ended elements from the former series wrapped up. And I have to disagree with their not being many jedi involved. If I'm not mistaken, at least a couple of hundred jedi survived Order 66 and threatened his grip on the galaxy enough that the Emperor needed to issue a "purge" to further eradicate them.

I personally hope that Shaak-ti, Kenobi, Kota, Dass Jennir, K'kruhk and the Jedi Caravan, Ahsoka (and maybe the Onderonian rebels), and Ventress, among others, make an appearance. All of these characters, as well as many other Jedi, are still alive and kickin during the early years of the Empire.

I would love it if the first season maybe ties up the few loose ends (if any) the bonus episodes of TCW don't, since it wouldn't be too much a stretch on the current timeline.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: JANGO FETT on October 13, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
NYCC Rebels trailer, and new villain Empire's Inquisitor
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who’s assigned by Darth Vader to hunt down the remaining Jedi.
Darth Vader, Dark lord of Delegation.  ::)

Trailer Star Wars Rebels: The Empire Returns - YouTube (http://youtu.be/NX1uCXVg9ug)

Hotlinked
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fspinoff.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fstar-wars-rebels-grand-inquisitor-570x380.jpg&hash=ce6569479b59b0f149abfe1313b6ccbd9094ac95) (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/star-wars-rebels-grand-inquisitor-570x380.jpg)

I'm not liking that saber. It looks like the General Grievous spin toy.
http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=64C2B735-19B9-F369-10A5-11F9347A0932:en_US (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=64C2B735-19B9-F369-10A5-11F9347A0932:en_US)
I hope he does not store it on the center of his shoulders like a tron disc. :(

Original article NYCC | ‘Star Wars Rebels’ Reveals Its ‘Marquee Villain,’ (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2013/10/12/nycc-star-wars-rebels-reveals-its-marquee-villain-the-empires-inquisitor/)
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: nartules on October 13, 2013, 09:58:34 AM
I just want to see Darth Vader clash with his old Padawan
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on October 13, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Total MEH on the goth/tim burton-esque 'inquisitor'...why do some people think there is something 'menacing' about whiteface? Looking like a clown, week old fish or someone who hasn't seen sun in 20 years doesn't impress me as dangerous LOLOL. But hopefully the rest of the series will make up for the dubious aesthetic sensibilities of some art director with a clown-phobia who saw too much Tim Burton dreck growing up.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Psab Keel on October 14, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights."  - Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 4: A New Hope

So this series is going to keep with the idea that they can mess with the continuity as much as they want, just for the sake of being able to create new unnecessary characters.  What about that whole, I don't know, rule of two thing they established in TPM.  And doesn't it pretty much take away a HUGE part of what made Vader so evil, in that he had to farm the task of Jedi hunting out to a ton of other people.  Like he couldn't handle it personally.  And here I honestly thought the villain would be Vader taking charge of the Imperial forces, showing them conquering system after system, not just hunting rogue Jedi.  And we would FINALLY see the Rebellion form (like we should have with the prequels), fighting off the tyranny of the Empire with small victory after small victory.  Because remember, the first large victory for them was written in the opening crawl of A New Hope. 

But no.  We get another crappy villain of the week, who is assigned to do things by characters we ACTUALLY want to see.  It's just unnecessary.  We'll see the Emperor farm the tasks to Vader, who will farm the tasks out to whoever the new villain is.  If I wanted to watch CSPAN, where we watch Congress get nothing done, I could do that any time.  I'll more than likely be skipping this series too.

What a shame.  It could have actually been good.  This just seems like more of the same.   
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Master Finariel on December 18, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights."  - Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 4: A New Hope

So this series is going to keep with the idea that they can mess with the continuity as much as they want, just for the sake of being able to create new unnecessary characters.  What about that whole, I don't know, rule of two thing they established in TPM.  And doesn't it pretty much take away a HUGE part of what made Vader so evil, in that he had to farm the task of Jedi hunting out to a ton of other people.  Like he couldn't handle it personally.  And here I honestly thought the villain would be Vader taking charge of the Imperial forces, showing them conquering system after system, not just hunting rogue Jedi.  And we would FINALLY see the Rebellion form (like we should have with the prequels), fighting off the tyranny of the Empire with small victory after small victory.  Because remember, the first large victory for them was written in the opening crawl of A New Hope. 

But no.  We get another crappy villain of the week, who is assigned to do things by characters we ACTUALLY want to see.  It's just unnecessary.  We'll see the Emperor farm the tasks to Vader, who will farm the tasks out to whoever the new villain is.  If I wanted to watch CSPAN, where we watch Congress get nothing done, I could do that any time.  I'll more than likely be skipping this series too.

What a shame.  It could have actually been good.  This just seems like more of the same.   

Personally, in reply, I don't think it's wise to pass such harsh judgement on a series that we barely know about. If this was a promo for the clone wars before it came out and it was a picture of Asajj Ventress standing with a bunch of droids, I wouldn't start writing off the clone wars and Asajj as "crap" because say "they did not follow the rule of two set up in TPM". once it came out we learned that she was an assasin, and not an official "apprentice" in many ways the same as Darth Maul had been. And also I would like to ask why you deemed the characters (all of which besides the Inquisitor they have yet to create) as unnecessary? Starkiller was in the civil war era as well, a gap in canon galactic history we have yet to learn much about. (Besides the period at the very end where the OT is at) So I feel there is plenty there to expand upon as long as they don't mess with the flow of the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy, thus I can agree with you on that concern. I just find it confusing how you basically, from a teeny bit of information, wrote out the series as a definite worst case scenario. I think for any fan of any series production must take in new material with open mind. Not necessarily being open for the series' flow to be messed up, but being open for new material being presented so that the producers have something to work with more freely, because I'm sure we all would get ticked off in one way or another if they tried to make Darth Vader the major villian. Darth was George's villian, Simon Kinberg, most likely in the spirit of keeping that way, is probably creating The Inquisitor as a way to give himself a villian to work with while keeping the flow of the Star Wars universe.
I mean no disrespect or offense with this reply Psab Keel, I just wanted to present my alternate, but not completely opposite view for discussion.

~Fin
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: KingOfDathomir on December 19, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
There are no Rule of Two violations that I have seen. Many apprentices during the Rule of Two had their own acolyte(s), aka the suckers, to help them achieve their goals- Plagueis had Venamis, Sidious had Maul, Dooku had many acolytes though Ventress seems to be the favorite by far, and Vader had Starkiller... and now this Inquisitor dude too. Just being apprenticed to a Sith does not also mean that they are Sith either, though their heads may indeed be filled with such delusions of grandieur. The reasoning behind having acolytes is because a Sith, however powerful he or she may be, simply cannot be in two places at once.

As far as 'white-face'-ness goes, pale skin is a well known affliction commonly associated with dark-side corruption in humans. Oh, and we already saw the formal formation of the Rebellion in TFU.

Besides, the Sith clearly only have rules to break them. Inconsistency and betrayal are the only true tenets the Sith even believe in. In summary, they believe that they are "above the law", even their own.
Title: Re: Star Wars "Rebellion" animated series
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on December 22, 2013, 09:38:29 PM
I don't see how pale skin is related to Dark Side corruption.

Yes certain Sith had pale skin but there were other reasons for that; Darth Vader because he was inside a helmet and full bodysuit for over 20 years, Darth Sidious because he kept his "deformed" features hidden under a thick cloak as long, some others wore masks and/or armor that would also keep the sun off them for prolonged periods, Ventress perhaps was pale because Dathomir was gloomy and probably didn't have much UV get through its atmosphere for residents to get a tan...but there were other fully Dark Siders who were NOT white-faced like Darth Tyranus so it is by no means established that turning to the dark side turns one's skin to the clown-white side.