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Title: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller™ complete build log
Post by: STARKILLER on May 13, 2011, 07:00:24 AM
I had posted this elsewhere, but just realized that I spaced putting it over here :-[ This post will detail the Vader's Vault Starkiller™ journey from it's inception all the way through the build steps so that all of you can see everything that went into, and goes into  this run and other runs that are of this complexity.

This post will also make it's way over to the RPF to honor both Ace and Erv', as such, there is some basic explanations that I know you all know, so just bear with me. Thanks for reading.

From Dream to Reality: The Ultimate Starkiller replica lightsaber.

Back in 2008, when The Force Unleashed video game concept art and photos were shown, the first thing that caught my eye as a 'saber freak was of course Starkiller's lightsaber. It was dirty, used, and had elements from classic lightsabers seen in the original trilogy of movies. It also had something that at the time was relegated to photos in the visual dictionaries and comic books: an exposed crystal chamber. Needless to say, I immediately wanted this saber, but more than that; I wanted to MAKE this saber, and I wanted to make the best one ever to be made. So we began the process of planning a small run. During this time MachinedFX (aka tatoosby5 on ebay) was well on his way to scamming hundreds of unsuspecting buyers out their money by not delivering his sub-par product. We were  one of the lucky few to actually recieve ours from him. It was.....disappointing as a product. Very thin layers of tubing glued togther and not very accurate to the game shots or concept art, we now we knew what NOT to do with our run. As time went on our interest list for our supposedly secret project was growing. It was also becoming apparent that our original vision of what we could handle on our own with manual machines was not going to be enough for the growing list of interested people. It was at this time that I went to Erik of Orbital Machining and told him of my plight. He agreed to the monemental task of bending such sheer amount of metal to his will to make my vision a reality. I sent him a rough Paint sketch of what I wanted and through many back and forth conversations, he brought forth his engineering prowess and CNC godliness to make it happen. What we ended  up with was a run of 25 sabers designed from the bottom up to be a functional, accurate, and realistic piece of art. Designed with cues from both the in game shots and the original concept art, and powered by the best lightsaber electronics in the world, this is the Starkiller by which all others will be judged by.

 I will now take you on the journey of the Starkiller replica lightsaber, from drawing to finished product, complete with a build log.

Here is my original rough Paint sketch that I sent to Orbital machining.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Alans%20Concept%20Drawing/Starkilleroutline.jpg)


This was mainly to show Erik how I wanted the saber to break down, and how I wanted the chassis to function. Needless to say, changes were made to the design for functionality, but the final product ended up being strikingly faithful to my original vision. This is a testament to how well Erik can take a simple drawing and make it work.

After some talk back and forth Erik sent me these models:

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With the design finalized, money changed hands and materials were ordered, let the swarf fly! At this point we began to think about what we want to include with this beautiful piece. We wanted the lucky 25 people to have something great to display it on, and a great display stand is a natural given. So we went to Halon Customs who do our everyday custom acrylic stands and told him what we wanted for design elements. He came up with this and we were floored:
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Since each saber was numbered, we wanted the stands to also match the saber and Halon customs made 25 individual numbered plaques to go with each stand. As things were starting to come together, we get in progress shots from Orbital and we start getting really excited:
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Machining%20in%20Progress/100_6257.jpg)

The optics module/heatsink, the chassis headpiece/crystal holder, the top and bottom greeblies and the support rods.
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Numbered engraved grip bars.
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Mounted grip bar.
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Hilt blank before milling.
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Pommel cap with sound vents.
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Completed rear grip with pommel screwed on.
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Crystal chamber fitment.
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Chassis and electronics mockup (no Ultrasound boards were used in the final product).
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Completed hilt group shot.
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Completed hilts, and all components ready to go off to the anodizer.

We went with anodizing on this run for two reasons, it finishes more consistent than powdercoating, and we could get a more realistic copper color than with powder coating. Oh, and also because we didn't want to have to do all that freakin' powder coating  :021:

After months of work, and the geological epoch that passed waiting for the anodizer, we get our boxes in the mail of completed hilts!
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/047.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/041.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/039.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/044.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/038.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/030.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/027.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/026.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/They%20have%20arrived/023.jpg)

By the Gods, they're gorgeous! Now we can't just go shoving any old lightsaber soundboard in there, and we didn't want to use gutted Force FX soundboards at all. What we wanted for the best Starkiller replica, was the best lightsaber soundboard on the planet: the Plecter Labs Crystal Focus Version 5. This was Erv's newest version of the CF, it is smaller, more powerful, better sounding, and packed with TONS of new features. We just had to have them for these babies! The package from France arrives:
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The odd soundboard out at the bottom is the Plecter Labs Petit Crouton, a midline soundboard developed by Plecter Labs in coalition with a group of sabersmiths. We also offered this soundboard as a configuration.

Vader's Vault Starkiller™ Design© 2010 by Vader's Vault.  All rights reserved.  All Vader's Vault designs are the Intellectual Property of Vader's Vault.  Any use without express written permission can result in legal recourse.

Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: STARKILLER on May 13, 2011, 07:01:32 AM
After much more ordering from Mouser and Digikey, we were ready for the arduous task of tackling the install. Due to the nature of the design and the desire to not have any wires showing in the crystal chamber, channels were made under the front shroud to allow the wiring to be concealed underneath. This came at the price of being very tedious to wire and install the electronics. Everything worth having is worth doing right though no matter what right? Now, on to the installation of electronics and the finishing of the Starkillers!

The disassembly of parts:
Erik sent us the sabers put together for the most part to ensure that numbered and fitted pieces stayed together, and to make our lives easier (thanks for the chassis Erik, sorry about the arthritis! :011:)

I start with 3 sabers, 3 parts trays and keep the numbered sabers sorted with their parts.
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All broken down.

The first thing to get done is the battery packs. 14500 size Li-Ion cells are individually charged then soldered into a stick pack heatshrunk and installed in the channel through the chassis:

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The tabs are scratched to remove the coating to allow for solder adhesion, then they're tinned. I hold my batteries between to cut pieces of paint stirring sticks with a spring clamp.
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The bridge.
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The positive and negative leads.
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The ends are sealed with high temp hot glue.
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A piece of 3/4" heatshrink is cut to length, fitted over the batteries and then shrunk.
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Battery packs are installed in the chassis.

The next thing that has to be done is the optics module. It has to go in and it's wires run before the shroud piece can go on. However, since there really is no guarantee how the optics and wires will line up after threading the heatsink in, I have to mark and mill a slot in the module to allow the wires to pass by.

For most of the sabers, we're using the LEDengin 10 Watt red LED. It has 4 individually addressable dice. We're wiring one pair in series for the main blade, and another pair in series for the Flash on Clash effect. I keep a collection of snipped resistor and LED legs around for the purposes of bridging the compact LED pads on these stars. The trick with LEDengins is that they sink heat really well and if you try soldering to them while they're on a heatsink, the solder will never bond and you'll get cold joints. I hold my stars in the jaws of my helping hands and warm the bottom of the star first.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/023.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/025.jpg)

After attaching the star to the heatsink with thermal tape I thread the heatsink into the outer can (optics installed too of course). Once I get it snug, I mark where the wires are on the can so I can mill a channel in the can. This allows me to fold the wires up and over the can to get them through the top port on the hilt.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/032.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/035.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/039.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Optics%20Module%20and%20LED/038.jpg)

Next up is the chassis, and the crystal chamber. We had to purchase probably 300 crystals to get ones that we liked for each saber. Once I have one picked for a saber, I grind the end flat on the bench grinder (use a breather, you don't want silicosis of the lung) and fit it to the holder. Then I take my 5mm LED bezel that the holder is threaded for and screw it in. I used a glue stick to help thread it in ( I have also used the end of a pencil).
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/026.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/029.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/027.jpg)

The crystal then needs to be fitted for aesthetics, how it looks when installed and it's orientation. I also need to size, cut and glue in the copper rod spacer that goes between the brass piece on the heatsink and the crystal.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/049.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/048.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/047.jpg)

The crystal is then epoxied into it's final resting place and we move on to wiring the soundboard and the power extender board for the Flash on Clash. To save space, I cut the positive trace on the power extender and used the resistor (2 Watt 1 ohm) to bridge the space. CF

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Once the CF is all wired, I pull all the wires through the wiring duct in the chassis and line them up in the order and orientation that I'll need once I pull them through the other side and after the shroud goes on.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/045.jpg)

The chassis is then secured into the hilt and the wires are pulled through the port on the top of the body with some really fine tweezers.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/050.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Crystal%20Chamber%20and%20Chassis/051.jpg)

I then start by conecting the LED wires from the optics module to the LED wires from the soundboard. I have marked each wire with a code to tell me which lead goes to what. For some reason, no matter what I can't seem to have enough different colored wire.

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Once the LED leads are connected, I pull the slack out through the chassis, making the heatshrunk connections hide in the pocket through the wiring port. It is at this time that the aluminum support rods get put into place as they are partly held in by the shroud.
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Then I tuck the rest of the wires flat and slide the shroud over and put one screw through it to hold it in place.
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Then comes the most compact wiring I've ever done. I have to wire two tactile switches and a 1.3mm recharge port and squeeze it all into a space 1/4" wide by 1.5" long. I start by cutting off two of the switch contacts and filing them flush.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0142.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/001.jpg)

After soldering the switches and the recharge port, I glue the switches down on their posts that keep them at the proper height for the control box.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0152.jpg)

One thing that wasn't apparent during the design phase was that the pockets cut for the tactile switches in the control box, didn't allow for the wiring that has to go between them. It's hard to account for all this little stuff. So, out to the mill I went and used a 9/32 endmill to make a channel between the switch pockets to allow for the wiring.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0032.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0053.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0063.jpg)

I then push in the recharge port into it's pocket. This was such precision machining that it perfectly holds the port in place and then the post underneath it keeps it from moving at all.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0093.jpg)

I then screw down the box over the switches, then I place the aluminum switch hats over the switch plungers.

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I also place the kill key in the charge port to cut power. I haven't yet soldered the positive lead to the board, but the key is there for when I do. It is at this time that I connect the last power lead and pop in a test SD card and test the electronics and look for bugs. Once everything is a go, I snap the speaker into the bucket and move on to the rest of the reassembly.
 
After the hats are in, I snap (yes, snap fit, it's so awesome) the card top in place on the box.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Control%20Box/0133.jpg)

Now it's just a matter of screwing on some greeblies, the bunny ears and the brass replica Graflex pins.

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi136.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq169%2FAJFenderBender%2FVV%2520R%2520and%2520D%2FStarkiller%2520Build%2520Log%2FAssembly%2520and%2520Final%2F0153.jpg&hash=c3b76f54691c9cb787db3b8442cff87d8304f8df)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0143.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0163.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0173.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0183.jpg)

Now it's time for the grip bars.  Most of them were such a tight fit, that when hammered in with a rubber mallet they wouldn't have moved anyway, but I like to be careful so a light beading of Gorilla glue went under each one:
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0193.jpg)

Erik made the replica Graflex Glass eye greeblie to accept a 10mm cabochon, some artistic forethought on his part. This was a little detail that I really loved, and we chose 10mm Paua shell cabs in blade color matching shades to go in each one.
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/017.jpg)

 After that, some weathering done with Birchwood Casey aluminum black and some flat black paint we get this:

(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0232.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Assembly%20and%20Final/0242.jpg)
(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/Starkiller1.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/Starkiller3.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/Starkiller2.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/030.jpg)(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi136.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq169%2FAJFenderBender%2FVV%2520R%2520and%2520D%2FStarkiller%2520Build%2520Log%2FGlams%2F024.jpg&hash=d1557ed4f544fceacb13106fbb34938d1a9ebe46)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/027.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/026.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/020.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/009.jpg)(https://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/AJFenderBender/VV%20R%20and%20D/Starkiller%20Build%20Log/Glams/003.jpg)

And the video:

The Force Unleashed Starkiller Custom Lightsaber Crystal Focus V5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuDQj_UIdMA)

Well, I hope you enjoyed my quest and victory for the perfect Starkiller replica lightsaber. To all the people who were able to get one, thanks for sharing my dream!
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Kobi Dan Venobi on May 13, 2011, 07:25:28 AM
it's awesome! best saber i've ever seen.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: jetsaber on May 13, 2011, 07:42:10 AM
 8) Unreal !
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Taberah on May 13, 2011, 08:52:14 AM
Alan,

You and Deanna amaze me!  Worth every penny, and I am honored to be part of such and incredible run and piece of SW artwork!!!!!  Thank you so much for the immaculate attention to detail!  It must be an incredible amount of time-consuming work for us to enjoy this come to life vision for the perfect Starkiller!

KUDOS MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Blessings - Taberah
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: sithslayer1 on May 13, 2011, 09:30:51 AM
Thank you for the full detailed journey from concept to reality! I have already been anxiously waiting for what will  surely be one of the greatest lightsabers ever made, with a CF 5 to boot! But after reading this and realizing the full extent of the time and labor  spent on research, design, developing final prototypes and the amazing attention to the smallest details, this will truly be a saber that I will always treasure! Thank you again Alan, Deanna,  Eric (and Susan and Darren at JQ sabers ) and of course, Erv!
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: OBI-WAN KENOBI on May 13, 2011, 09:34:26 AM
And with that, I'm appreciating mine all the more!  8)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Tywann on May 13, 2011, 10:35:15 AM
It's really cool to see how you devellop and assemble a saber of that quality.

By the way : (https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi136.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq169%2FAJFenderBender%2FVV%2520R%2520and%2520D%2FStarkiller%2520Build%2520Log%2FCF%2520Family%2520Shots%2F008.jpg&hash=9b4d30e06944d3ac2d9f75b155056ee7915200ef)

I think it's the only pic where I had seen so many CFv5 :D
It's like a dream :p
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: EXAR KUN on May 13, 2011, 02:35:48 PM
My first thought was how this is making what's on my bench look silly... lol.

After reading all about this saber build in this thread, I actually learned a TON that I didn't know about the construction of this - which is very cool indeed.

I also learned about 3 things from this that I feel like I can apply to a saber I'm working on right now... just this morning thinking "How am I going to fit the things I want to fit inside this hilt?"
After staying up till almost 3 am last night practically doing nearly nothing except gazing at all the parts and lining them up in different ways... trying to fit into a tight hilt... figuring out how to wire and make everything durable...  I think I gave myself a monster headache that I woke up with this morning.

Now that I see what CAN BE DONE with such limited space, I'm inspired to the point where I now believe I can do it.  :D

It's awesome to see how the dream is coming true for this Starkiller. And for all of us dreaming... it's like a wake up call seeing the work that went into making this saber a reality (and the best it can be).
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Lord Xeno on May 13, 2011, 04:45:16 PM
Amazing work on an amazing saber!  Love it!!!
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Scorpion on May 13, 2011, 05:58:36 PM
super info  :o great to see how it all fits together and the  work that goes into these
thanks for doing that

the saber is without doubt one of the very very best out there
its got the best of everything
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Kalizon on May 14, 2011, 08:37:27 PM
Absolutely a great saber.

Thanks Alan, for showing us a glimse into the actual "Dream to reality" build on this. The collaboration and idea work that went into this amazes me.  I thing even George and the designer of game would say "Well Done!"

I look forward to more to come.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: The_Night on May 14, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
No chance of there ever being another run of these is there? would love to get one. i'm planning my own starkiller inspired by this one  :)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: STARKILLER on May 15, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
No chance of there ever being another run of these is there? would love to get one. i'm planning my own starkiller inspired by this one  :)

This run was extremely costly both in time and money for us and all involved and took a lot out of us (and still taking :D). However, we have been 'talking' about a second run, but that would be well after the current run is taken care of and much later in the year.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Rafalema on May 15, 2011, 07:56:26 AM
If you ever do a second run, please include some empties  :)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Darth Smorgis on May 15, 2011, 08:23:36 AM
I would love to be on the list for a second run.  I must have one of these Starkillers.
When you are ready, I will be waiting.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Scorpion on May 15, 2011, 08:41:03 AM
i think you (vadersvault) should do this sort of thing with all sabers and eventually work your way through all the movies/game sabers
a high class accurate best of everything run for each 1...have wat tambor on the machein erv supplying the cfs and a nice exclusive stand from halon.. its a winning formula

i for 1 would be down for every run you do if this is the end result...
and i will tell you why... that starkiller is the absolutely the best saber made..... well its 1 of them anyway

so what big runs you got planned next? if any
tfu2?
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: STARKILLER on May 15, 2011, 09:54:13 AM
If I told you all of the cool projects being planned, they wouldn't be much of a surprise would they? :D Rest assured, VV has AWESOME projects in the works that will span into the next year. When the time comes for a second run, we will post an interest list, not to worry. To get this out of the way, there will not be any empties for sale. The cost of doing runs like this prohibits things like that.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Drazhar on May 15, 2011, 09:57:09 AM
If I told you all of the cool projects being planned, they wouldn't be much of a surprise would they? :D Rest assured, VV has AWESOME projects in the works that will span into the next year. When the time comes for a second run, we will post an interest list, not to worry. To get this out of the way, there will not be any empties for sale. The cost of doing runs like this prohibits things like that.

I would imagine the difficulty of the install would also have an impact, those things are CRAMPED!
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: RedArc on May 15, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Awesome build log  :o Thanks for that  ;)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Revan Reborn on May 17, 2011, 10:24:03 PM
Empty might be easier for you since it involves less work  :) :) :) Sorry for being Captain Obvious but man I would love one.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Katarn on May 18, 2011, 07:06:22 AM
yeah, my brother-in-law leaves for afghanistan next week (Navy Corpsman) and i wanted to build him a TFU saber. he's a huge gamer, and i found out he likes star wars so i loaned him TFU for xbox. he was so hooked he asked me for TFUII like 4 days later hahaha
i hope i can surprise him with a saber when he gets back!!! he's seen mine and likes them. and i wouldnt mind a starkiller myself too haha

PLEASE let us know if you do another run!!!
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Rafalema on May 18, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
How does the cost of the run prohibit empties?  ???
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: kamakazykid on May 18, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
I would like to say thank you to all the amazing people involved in this run. Without you people like me would have not been able to obtain their dream saber. Can't wait to be able to write a review.

Thank you for making my dream come true.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: STARKILLER on May 18, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
Empty might be easier for you since it involves less work  :) :) :) Sorry for being Captain Obvious but man I would love one.

Well, less work for me on the outset yes. However, these sabers go out with my name on them so I want to be sure that every one that does meets my standard of quality. These aren't your typical saber install, it's hours of tedious exacting work to wire one up properly. If you mess something up, taking it back apart would be VERY time consuming.

How does the cost of the run prohibit empties?  ???

Look, I don't have these made in China by the hundreds. They're made here with care by a US craftsman. The price that I would have to sell them at would not attract any buyers for empties, trust me. I'm also not in the business of selling empty hilts, I sell sabers. Complete sabers. Selling empty hilts is a failing business model unless you can sell volumes of them, like Parks etc. That's not what we do. Selling empties would also reduce the collectible value for those who ordered a complete package. The saber becomes that much less special when any average Joe could buy one and attempt an install. Also, I expect that sabers with my name on them have a certain level of quality on them when they represent me. If I screw something up, I can own that, but to have something out there with my name on it that I didn't do doesn't represent me fairly. I don't expect everyone to understand all the complex reasons why we won't offer empties, just suffice it to say that we won't ;).
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Rafalema on May 18, 2011, 09:10:43 AM
I see, thanks for the clear-up.  ;)

Completed sabers are usually just way out of my price range  :D (plus I love doing stuff myself)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkiller complete build log
Post by: Katarn on May 19, 2011, 09:24:39 AM
i agree. but i love what smiths like mace windu and others do for this hobby. spark creativity, encourage others, increase demand, and best of all, BUILD KICK-___ LIGHTSABERS!!!!  :o ;D 8)
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkillerâ„¢ complete build log
Post by: Red 7 on September 16, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
WOW! What an AMAZING piece of art that saber is!!!  :huh:

I am brand new to the Saber community. This is in fact my first post!
TBH I am finding it all A LOT to take in. One thing that I am sure of is that VV will be who I buy from.

I would LOVE to have this saber, but it appears that they only come out as limited runs...
Do I need to wait for new limited runs to be announced, or are there other options such as commissions?
How would I go about learning the answers to these questions and others such as pricing?

I am sure that there is somewhere else that I should be posting this, but any guidance/answers would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkillerâ„¢ complete build log
Post by: Kappy79 on September 16, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
Posting in a main forum section (like VV or Sith Planet),rather than a specific topic, is probably the best way to get questions answered about a specific smith.  There is also a section (Padawan) for people new to the hobby that will help answer a lot of common questions.  Reading more current posts (unlike this thread from 2011) will give you a better idea of what the current environment is like. 

It is a lot to digest for sure, I am fairly new myself an I spent hours devouring everything I could read once I decided to finally get into this hobby.  Welcome, enjoy and MTFBWY
Title: Re: From Dream to Reality - The Vader's Vault Starkillerâ„¢ complete build log
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on October 26, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
Red 7 we actually have a run of the Starkillers in progress.  Unlike runs in the past, we are waiting until we have them in hand before announcing.  However, we should have them around the holidays.