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Star Wars Movies, Videos, TV, Books => Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Ki-Adi on March 07, 2006, 07:46:01 AM
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I would probably give AOTC a 7. I thought it was pretty good also.
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http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2_1-10.php <--- comedy ;D
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I gave it a 6 because its Star Wars so i loved it but it was lacking in what the other movies have, i was unimpressed with the extremely short lightsaber duel, i couldev done with more clone battling and it just didnt have that star wars feel to it i dunno why
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Ya I gave it a 7 because I like it. I just don't include that to be an actual lightsaber battle. hahaha I mean the only good part was when anakin uses double sabers.....for a second. hahaha
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I know man i loved that double saber thing they should had that go on for like a lot longer it was so cool
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Give it a 7.
Unfortunately, I do believe there was a lull in the quality of the acting in the second installment. Or was it the dialogue? To be honest it could have just all been in the cut, but the dialogue all seemed very awkward, and the story didn't flow from scene to scene the way the other episodes have.
But clone wars we were promised, and that's what we got.
To finally see the legandary clone wars that we had all been fantasising about since 1977 was a treat in itself, and no one can take away the thrill I get from watching those scenes...again and again.
GL demonstrates once again how a space battle should look on screen, and does it as only he can.
I think the bottom line is, most of us don't really care too much about the flaws. I, for one, am prepared to overlook them, as I love Star Wars and won't allow my enjoyment to be spoilt by them.
Funny link, BTW, Cobalt60. As long as we don't take it seriously, there's no reason why criticism should spoil our enjoyment, it can be an added source of entertainment.
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I say 8. I found it to be immensely entertaining. Hayden's acting wasn't all that, nor was the dialogue, but there's some really cool stuff like the chase scene, the arena battle, the Battle of Geonosis, and the duels. :)
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10!
Jango and Boba....hello!!!!
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I ended up giving it a 7, I was less than enamored with the acting and the lack of any sort of middle chapter strong finish we've come to expect from Lucas (think ESB) but then Yoda pulled out his saber and really saved the movie for me. I actually went to a couple more showing that first week (a benefit of being a student at the time) and turning to see the audience's reaction to it, something that did not disappoint.
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Ya AOTC in theatres was awesome. I have to totally agree with Luke. I thought that Count and Yoda fought to fast if you compare it to the rest of the trilogy. I mean GL I think could've done alot better with AOTC but saved the fall with ROTS. I thought Jango and Boba were awesome parts.
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The loves scenes were badly written and acted. They should have gone for a lust/attraction with a bit of flirting instead of rolling in the grass talking about politics.
However other parts were very good. In my young and foolish days I used to go skydiving and the chase scene, when I saw it at the movies I was grabbing hold of the chair
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Ya I agree DP. Politics and rolling in the grass and boom there in love? I doubt it hahaha.
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You are forgetting the Kouhuns (poisonous centipede/worm) Ki-Adi! Otherwise it would have been completely unrealistic! :D
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haha sorry haha. Ya but then he ran out to go cruise around with a stolen speeder. xxx Anakin, when will he ever learn, stealing is evil, killing is evil,......he is evil, nvm. hahaha
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lust/attraction sounds good...
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Lets face it they were young at the time. Appeal and flirting is what gets ppl that age together anything else is just a joke (oh and copious amounts of alcohol)
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i rated it a 9. i dislike the lovey dovey scenes (though i understand they are there for a reason) & Obiwan doesnot stop whining in the first act. i also really like the last few minutes of the score, where the ships are lifting off and anakin and padme are getting married. i like it because of jango fett and yoda v dooku.
its a 9 becuase its star wars ;)
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i gave it an 8.
i thought the arena battle was the best part of the movie.............. and natalie portman looks hot in the movie ;D
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same here, i thought AOTC was good, a little too mushy though, maybe GL was having a love crisis. :D ;)
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same here, i thought AOTC was good, a little too mushy though, maybe GL was having a love crisis. :D ;)
GL got divorced after ROTJ :(
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i'll bet ya his wife is pissed now shes divorced, lolololololol
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As rich as he is, she wouldn't divorce him BEFORE it came out :-[
He seems to get divorced in each trilogy. He should do a Nick Cage and just get some hot little 20 year old thing who would be dumb enough to sign like a two million dollar pre-nup
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As rich as he is, she wouldn't divorce him BEFORE it came out :-[
He seems to get divorced in each trilogy. He should do a Nick Cage and just get some hot little 20 year old thing who would be dumb enough to sign like a two million dollar pre-nup
LMAO!!!! ahhhhh you crack me up DP
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I know I would. Who says money can't buy you love?
(I think it was John Lennon)
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and you see where that got him!
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Yeah, married to Yoko Ono and a bullet in the head.
I'd take the bullet any day ;D
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In my mind Attack Of The Clones is the worst Star Wars movie ever and I barely give it 6 out of 10.
Things I liked about AOTC:
- John Williams score
- Count Dooku
- Jango, Boba And The Clones
- Coruscant & Kamino
Things I didn't like:
- The Script "Ani? My goodness, you've grown" :'(
- Whole romance between Anakin & Padme
- Too Long & Boring
- Hayden's acting
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AOTC is the second worst movie of the Trilogy. Only TPM is worse. It really is a shame. AOTC should have been really good. I mean, we get to see Yoda in a lightsaber duel!!! But still, the acting and the dialogue are TERRIBLE!!
GL's arrogance led him to the dark side.
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AOTC is the second worst movie of the Trilogy. Only TPM is worse. It really is a shame. AOTC should have been really good. I mean, we get to see Yoda in a lightsaber duel!!! But still, the acting and the dialogue are TERRIBLE!!
GL's arrogance led him to the dark side.
TPM was good! :-\
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Ya TPM is 3rd on my list. But AOTC was pretty good. I guess I like all of them but I just like some more then others. That is how I would like to look at it.
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AOTC was a good movie on its own, but not compared to the others ;)
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AOTC was a good movie on its own, but not compared to the others ;)
Nicely said ;)
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That's how I would put it ;)
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Also AOTC would have been better if it had a more exciting middle ;)
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Episode II was pretty good in my opinion. The ONLY setback was that I think Obi-Wan was portrayed as being soft, and not as powerful as he should of been. Especially when he was fighting Dooku. But what made Episode II pretty sweet was seeing Mace Windu fight for the first time and his purple saber, and all the jedi fighting at once that was cool. And being introduced to Count Dooku and his style of fighting. I seriously didn't expect him to be that good. And the curved saber was awesome too. In my opinion that FX should of been made first instead of the Darth Maul.
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7 for me. There is a lot of good elements, but other parts through it off. The special effects don't look as good as they do in RotS, and it was fairly obviuos after seeing it again. Padme is at her hottest, adn teh saber fight with Yoda and Tyrannus was excellent (though beaten by TPM and RotS). Obi-Wan's hair still bothers me a bit, but I prefer it to TPM.
Randy
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I think AOTC was the worst of all 6 episodes.
It is all talking very boring the saber duals are short and jango fett died a bit to easly
the dude got PWNED in 4 seconds not so tough now Mr. Best Bounty Hunter In The Galaxy Huh?!
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Actually Boba was the best bounty hunter ;) and jango was killed by the 2nd best jedi in the galaxy because his jet pack broke I think he did a good job. I didn't think AOTC was that bad
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I agree with you DS :)
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I think AOTC was the worst of all 6 episodes.
It is all talking very boring the saber duals are short and jango fett died a bit to easly
the dude got PWNED in 4 seconds not so tough now Mr. Best Bounty Hunter In The Galaxy Huh?!
Haha Jango Fett against Mace Windu? I'm only surprised he didn't die quicker...I thought the funniest part was seeing Jango dive to grab Windu's saber while Mace uses the force to bring it right back to his hand...silly bounty hunter...lol he had some pretty sweet looking armor though.
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The only part I liked about the movie was the part where all the jedi fought in the colliseum. I thought this was really cool because in all the other Star Wars movies (the ones previous to AOTC) you never really got a sense of the power of the jedi. I mean it was cool to see the battles in the OT but it was really something to see an army of jedi back when they were pretty powerful.
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I loved the OT battles, they had a gritty kinda' realism to them ;)
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Bottom line, AOTC and ROTS are definately NOT the films to get people hooked on Star Wars. Looking back on it, I see why I drifted in and out of interest in Star Wars as a kid because the movie I had to go on was AOTC. It is boring, slow, stupid. Don't get me wrong, they are good ones the first 10 times watching them, but after that.. it's sooo slow going.
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Bottom line, AOTC and ROTS are definately NOT the films to get people hooked on Star Wars. Looking back on it, I see why I drifted in and out of interest in Star Wars as a kid because the movie I had to go on was AOTC. It is boring, slow, stupid. Don't get me wrong, they are good ones the first 10 times watching them, but after that.. it's sooo slow going.
Yeah the film did seem to go a little bit slower than usual in the middle. I think it was because they were focusing too much on that love story between Anakin and Padmé. But I mean they had to do that but it just seemed like it was taking over the movie and turning it into a chick flick in some parts...lol
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You get to see Yoda fight. Case Closed.
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The Yoda fight was pretty jaw dropping for me first time I saw it... I rated AOTC at 8 - for me the prequel trilogy got better as it went along, and I think AOTC did well to sustain the momentum after the novelty impact of the eye candy effects in TPM...
Although it was good to see loads of Jedi fighting in the arena scene, but I'm not sure if some of them seemed to get done in a bit too easily to me...
do many of you rate TPM better than AOTC? Just curious as that's implied by some of the posts, but might just be how it seems to me... ?
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My rating is 5. I think, AOTS is the worst episode of all, mostly because of Anakin(I don't like actor and I don't like Anakin's stuuupid, idiot behavior. He doesn't obey Obi-Wan(that's why he suffers), he makes stupid desicions etc.
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Well to that end I suppose you could say Lucas did a great job in casting. That was the idea! :D
(But seriously, don't get me started on Hayden and Lucas...)
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This one gets a nine
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I'd give AOTC an 8.. It was a great movie but not as good as the others for me.. I definately thought the PT got better as it went along, the battle of Geonosis was great though.
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I gave it a 6 because it didnt have the thing i like most about star wars, uo close and personnel lightsaber duels. :'(
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i am watching AOTC over a few nights at the moment, i like it because of jango and dooku and also a decent looking yoda and of course R2.
i have noticed however, that Obiwan, whines totally the first 20mins of the film which is annoying, then when he is on kamino, he is totally clueless about what is going on and really gets his butt kicked by jango. hayden's acting is not the best and in the first half of the movie not to mention his tirade about obiwan to padme, "he is a great teacher, i i love him, i hate him blah blah blah" that scene should have been re-writen. In TPM anakin is an annoying little kid that blows up a massive ship (ok, snakes on a plane, plot time) and obiwan a little bit older than anakin but not really in the movie so much.
anyway last night i got to thinking about what if episode 1 had been set even earlier with a much younger Obi-Wan experiencing life as padawan - none of the midichlorian "discovery of anakin" side of the story, no darth maul (shock i know). palaptine could be creating the galactic empire as a sub plot, the story could have focused on mace and yoda / other characters and the could involve the discovery of the sith, the clones and so on. anakin could be another padawan, that is given to Obi to train at the end of the movie.
the alt. AOTC version would have anakin and obiwan in their late twenties / early thirties fighting in the clonewars rather than seeing about 10mins of the clone wars as we have now on screen.
ROTS could be same sort of story as is now with minor adjustments.
this was what i thought might have made for an interesting prequel, you would have more character development and care for anakin / obi more because you have seen them growing up/fighting together. instead we have to have their relationship squashed up into 15mins and three short conversations at the start of AOTC portrayed by an actor thats never been in the films before. tough call for hayden, it was not going to be an easy thing to pull off.
ROTS is far and away the best of the PT because the characters and actors are well established in their roles.
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this was what i thought might have made for an interesting prequel, you would have more character development and care for anakin / obi more because you have seen them growing up/fighting together. instead we have to have their relationship squashed up into 15mins and three short conversations at the start of AOTC portrayed by an actor thats never been in the films before. tough call for hayden, it was not going to be an easy thing to pull off.
It's hard to place many years of life in one small movie. I think, that quantity of conversations between Anakin and Obi-Wan is good.
Anyway, about your idea of new prequel, I think yours story about Anakin is wrong, because hole Saga is about him, and one of things, in which he is unique, is his Fatherlessness(cool word I got!), so if Anakin would be just simple boy, why would he be the One?
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i know that the whole saga is about anakin and the "virgin birth" idea is quite controversial among starwars fans, some like the idea that palpatine created him, but this is not supported.
i was not just talking about the quantity of conversations, its the quality of them that lets the first half of AOTC down.
its not an idea to replace the PT i love the entire saga, it was just a thought i had had, thats all.
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i was not just talking about the quantity of conversations, its the quality of them that lets the first half of AOTC down.
In that, right you are indeed...
I also don't like quality of conversations in AOTC. Especially love conversations between Anakin and Padme. >:(
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i always skip those conversations both in AOTC and ROTS. in OT it was great, you can watch han and lukes relationship develop, they have a raport, you dont feel like skipping. where anakin and padme, it just looks awkward in some of those scenes, "bring on the lightsabers" i say and skip the scene.
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Where anakin and padme, it just looks awkward in some of those scenes, "bring on the lightsabers" i say and skip the scene.
When I'm watching Star Wars with my family, and when we reach Padme&Anakin's love part, my father says the same. :D
I just think, Lucas didn't work too hard on script, because he hadn't much time. Dialogues in ROTS are little better, but I still don't like Hayden's horrible voise, for example, when he says: You underestimate my power!
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i know that the whole saga is about anakin and the "virgin birth" idea is quite controversial among starwars fans, some like the idea that palpatine created him, but this is not supported.
The notion of Palps being Anakins father/creator is sort of supported and one of those insider things which may be built upon later by GL. In the extras DVD for ROTS both GL and Ian McDiarmid make subtle comments about the creation of Anakin and the role Palps played in it.
It's funny, when AOTC came out I much preferred it over TPM, but now I rarely watch it. I watch the others all the time
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Another one I don't remember what rating I gave it, I think it was a 7ish. However this easily the weakest of the Star Wars films. Grant the whole battle on Geonosis was awesome as well as the duel at the end with Dooku, Yoda, Anakin and Obi-Wan (though should have been longer in my opinion). I will admit though that a lot of the love scenes between Anakin and Padmé made the movie seem to drag on for a bit. Other than that it wasn't too bad.
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I liked it of course hearing Qui-gon's voice was a plus,but I think Hayden did a good job playing an adoloscent love sick puppy.we all do things
that aren't excatly Shakesperian at that age,and especially when they're in love.I loved the creatures and the lightsaber fights,the asteriod battle
basically I liked it all
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8 for me. The top 3 reasons are:
#3- The fight between Yoda and Dooku ( I like the Yoda / Sidious Fight much better).
#2- Jedi fighting en masse.
#1 Obi-Wan lookin' stylish sportin' the Jedi mullet! ;D
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I give it a 6. This movie was more of a "look good" movie than a true star wars movie. Lots of shooting and blowing up. Lots of effects, but really REALLY irritating a brain dead dialog from hayden. I admit that Padme was beautiful and was a really...uh...high point of the film, but come on, someone shut Anakin up. "Im sorry Master, my wooden acting embarasses you"
Also, the duel was dumb. Dooku just pwned everyone, just to get owned in episode three by the same two guys that he blew away in episode two. Kinda odd and unfair.
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8 for me. The top 3 reasons are:
#3- The fight between Yoda and Dooku ( I like the Yoda / Sidious Fight much better).
#2- Jedi fighting en masse.
#1 Obi-Wan lookin' stylish sportin' the Jedi mullet! ;D
I also gave it an 8 and agree with you Logan, the fight between Yoda and Dukoo,
all the Jedi fighting on Geonosis and ofcourse Obi's Jedi mullet! Priceless. ;D
Kai 8)
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I wouldn't rate it at the top just because it was more of a love movie more than a Star Wars movie. But what gave the movie most of it's props was the fight scene with Yoda and Dooku, seeing Mace's purple lightsaber and actually using a lightsaber, and seeing Obi-Wan and especially Anakin progress as well as seeing Anakin with a lightsaber.
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Come on now whats all this down with love stuff......the whole story is about love...... ;D
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I gave AOTC an 8 because of the three I think this one had the better of the story lines.
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I gave this one a 9
The first time I saw it, i was somewhat confused as to where it was going
After watching it several times I figured it out.
If they were trying to hide that Senator Palpantine was actually the sith lord, they didn't do a very good job.
But is was a very good movie.
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I think it's better than a lot of people give it credit for. Hayden's acting wasn't too terrible... Granted, he did much better in ROTS. lol
I've come to reason that Anakin's uh, inadequate dialog and courtship stem from being emotionally suppressed by the Jedi order. If you were a Jedi for most of your life, hanging around with Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace, how would you react to the first time you met up with this really pretty girl in ten years? You'd be scared too! :D
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8 1/2. The good: saber duels, Jango. The bad: Hayden Christensen's acting, flying R2.
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~5~
IMO, the worst of all the Star Wars movies. Obi-Wan again was great (esp. vs. Jango), but Hayden was awful, the diaolg worse, and a "gladiator" scene? Come on.
Lots of other stupid stuff too: flying R2, Portman's new wardrobe in EVERY scene, the droid factory, the chase in Coruscant...
...need I say more?
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i give it a 4, im sorry but this was rubbish. If the acting is rubbish in a film it is not a good movie, if this was the 2nd chapter in the lord of the rings, the godfather, xxx even back to the future, people would have walked out of the cinema. Acting is the backbone of a movie - otherwise anyone would have got the job of Anakin. It's not the actors fault. Its the fact that 90% of the time they are acting in a barren green room. Even Ewan Macgregor says it in one of the documentaries, he found it hard to act without a any sort of proper environment around him. For example why is Palpatines council room cgi? thats just lazy.DThey are all good actors in everything else but this film what does that tell you?
Just because its star wars and lucas went all jedi/saber porn on us at the end does not mean it was good. The story is not bad, sidious manipulation to gain power and a full army was pretty slick. Anakin slaughtering sand people and shouting about it to padme i thought was pretty convincing. dookus lightsaber! Anakins lightsaber! Mace's lightsaber! Yoda's lightsaber! Jango Fett was pretty good. Clones were good. seeing the Jedi go to war was good if too little too late.
Acting terrible Anakin-"it was you who got us into that mess master!" Obi Wan-"oh.....................................yes........................................hmm hmm hmm hm"/ Padme-oh uh oh i fell out of a plane im in so much pain i cant get up" Trooper-"are you alright my lady?" Padme" yeah im fine lets go shoot stuff"
r2d2 has booster rockets? that would have come in handy alot in the last 3 chapters dont you think? c3po turning into Jar Jar's replacement as the most unfunny irritating(but not intentional) cgi born cartoon. The droid army beginning to turn into slap stick pointlessness. If any one has read any of the expanded verse you get the impression that the clone wars were armies of clones going at each other for years not clones fighting weak robots - EMP's anyone? that would have solved that problem.
I dont mean to rant, i love star wars, i just think people are too willing to except sub par movies and programmes because they contain slight elements of the things we like about star wars. This movie in particular is the one of the most unconvincing films i have seen. Lucas should have stuck to writing the stories and letting someone else direct.
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Lucas should have stuck to writing the stories and letting someone else direct.
Amen.
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I rated it a 7 because it wasnt really that intresting till the last 25 minutes. it seemed more like a filler movie. Its not quite at the action nor is it the begining. Its just what needs to be told.
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I give it a nine. I especially love the battle of Geonosis, especially Anakin and Yoda vs Dooku
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
I think the movie had it's good elements, many more than just the ending, but the overall content of AOTC along with story & screenplay, lousy actor directing and attempt to bring the love affair by force hurt the movie. People often seek to accuse the actors, but I saw the troubles elsewhere than in Hayden. I remember in the Original Trilogy as George Lucas said to Harrison Ford "Just do it", "how hard can it be?". Revenge Of The Sith proves that Hayden can act IMO. I can imagine how hard it was for Hayden when the direct you'll get is like "be a loving teenager", "just do it", "how hard can it be". When I talked with Anthony Daniels, he said GL ain't much of a people person like some other directors. It's hard to create a master piece, when the foundation is bad :-\
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IMO, although I do enjoy AOTC, it is the weakest of the saga. Unfortunately, I just don't rate Hayden Christensen as an actor. What possessed Lucas to cast him in such an important role anyhow? Christensen is a lot better in ROTS but that isn't saying much and it may also be because ROTS is a stronger movie overall. AOTC really suffers from bad acting, such as the Padme/Anakin scenes. Although I enjoy Jango Fett, Christopher Lee is an awesome villain ONCE AGAIN and Sam Jackson's Windu comes alive. Other strong parts: Yoda's lightsaber, Dooku's awesome style (seriously, that high guard and his whole saber style are just awesome), Ewan Mcgregor (probarbly the best actor in the whole PT) and of course the arena battle.
Overall, I rate AOTC a 7. I still really enjoy watching it (as I do all Star Wars movies) but it is probarbly my least favourite of the saga.
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
I think the movie had it's good elements, many more than just the ending, but the overall content of AOTC along with story & screenplay, lousy actor directing and attempt to bring the love affair by force hurt the movie. People often seek to accuse the actors, but I saw the troubles elsewhere than in Hayden. I remember in the Original Trilogy as George Lucas said to Harrison Ford "Just do it", "how hard can it be?". Revenge Of The Sith proves that Hayden can act IMO. I can imagine how hard it was for Hayden when the direct you'll get is like "be a loving teenager", "just do it", "how hard can it be". When I talked with Anthony Daniels, he said GL ain't much of a people person like some other directors. It's hard to create a master piece, when the foundation is bad :-\
Very good point, VERY good. To expand on what you said, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Ewan Mcgregor that said that it was hard to act because there was no real scenery? Since most of the movie was CGI it was hard for the actors to get a feel of the environment hence the whole, horrible Anakin/Padme scenes. How can you be a loving teenager if the mood n scenery are not right?
I guess I should back off the poor guy huh lol ;D He did good for the bare bones he was given. Also if you take a look at the behind the scenes of the movie, you will even see that there wasn't much scenery to work with, some scenes were just pure green rooms for CGI. Hard to get a feel for your part like that lol ;)
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
I think the movie had it's good elements, many more than just the ending, but the overall content of AOTC along with story & screenplay, lousy actor directing and attempt to bring the love affair by force hurt the movie. People often seek to accuse the actors, but I saw the troubles elsewhere than in Hayden. I remember in the Original Trilogy as George Lucas said to Harrison Ford "Just do it", "how hard can it be?". Revenge Of The Sith proves that Hayden can act IMO. I can imagine how hard it was for Hayden when the direct you'll get is like "be a loving teenager", "just do it", "how hard can it be". When I talked with Anthony Daniels, he said GL ain't much of a people person like some other directors. It's hard to create a master piece, when the foundation is bad :-\
Very good point, VERY good. To expand on what you said, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Ewan Mcgregor that said that it was hard to act because there was no real scenery? Since most of the movie was CGI it was hard for the actors to get a feel of the environment hence the whole, horrible Anakin/Padme scenes. How can you be a loving teenager if the mood n scenery are not right?
I guess I should back off the poor guy huh lol ;D He did good for the bare bones he was given. Also if you take a look at the behind the scenes of the movie, you will even see that there wasn't much scenery to work with, some scenes were just pure green rooms for CGI. Hard to get a feel for your part like that lol ;)
It was Ewan who said that :)! During AOTC, the Kaminoans were completely CG, so he was saying how in practice, they talked with a guy who had a hard-hat helmet on with a cardboard head taped on the top of the helmet and Ewan had to practice talking to the head. And yes, both in AOTC and TPM, almost ALL the scenery was CG, as well as a lot of the "bad guys." It is kind of hard fighting in Geonosis, when the scenery is a green screen and the enemies are blue screens!
And even in ROTS, in my opinion, the love scenes were slaughtered. I think a lot of it is Natalie Portman's fault, I didn't think she did very well with the acting, especially in the Mustafar scene of ROTS. Hayden Christensen I think did a good job, and for AOTC, it was primarily the lack of direction and Natalie's acting that affected that. Hayden also did excellent in ROTS, in my opinion. Natalie remained about the same.
Palpy, you talked with Anthony Daniels?
TPM I think had the worst acting in it as a whole. Liam Neeson was amazing. Ewan McGregor was amazing. Natalie Portman and Jake Llyod....disgusting. Jake was the worst in my opinion, I'm sorry but that acting was one of the worst pieces of acting I've seen yet. He acted like he was reading the script from a book, and didn't put very much personality behind the character. Natalie wasn't too bad but I still thought her acting failed. IMO Natalie was added to the cast for her stunning looks over her acting ability.
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
I think the movie had it's good elements, many more than just the ending, but the overall content of AOTC along with story & screenplay, lousy actor directing and attempt to bring the love affair by force hurt the movie. People often seek to accuse the actors, but I saw the troubles elsewhere than in Hayden. I remember in the Original Trilogy as George Lucas said to Harrison Ford "Just do it", "how hard can it be?". Revenge Of The Sith proves that Hayden can act IMO. I can imagine how hard it was for Hayden when the direct you'll get is like "be a loving teenager", "just do it", "how hard can it be". When I talked with Anthony Daniels, he said GL ain't much of a people person like some other directors. It's hard to create a master piece, when the foundation is bad :-\
Very good point, VERY good. To expand on what you said, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Ewan Mcgregor that said that it was hard to act because there was no real scenery? Since most of the movie was CGI it was hard for the actors to get a feel of the environment hence the whole, horrible Anakin/Padme scenes. How can you be a loving teenager if the mood n scenery are not right?
I guess I should back off the poor guy huh lol ;D He did good for the bare bones he was given. Also if you take a look at the behind the scenes of the movie, you will even see that there wasn't much scenery to work with, some scenes were just pure green rooms for CGI. Hard to get a feel for your part like that lol ;)
It was Ewan who said that :)! During AOTC, the Kaminoans were completely CG, so he was saying how in practice, they talked with a guy who had a hard-hat helmet on with a cardboard head taped on the top of the helmet and Ewan had to practice talking to the head. And yes, both in AOTC and TPM, almost ALL the scenery was CG, as well as a lot of the "bad guys." It is kind of hard fighting in Geonosis, when the scenery is a green screen and the enemies are blue screens!
And even in ROTS, in my opinion, the love scenes were slaughtered. I think a lot of it is Natalie Portman's fault, I didn't think she did very well with the acting, especially in the Mustafar scene of ROTS. Hayden Christensen I think did a good job, and for AOTC, it was primarily the lack of direction and Natalie's acting that affected that. Hayden also did excellent in ROTS, in my opinion. Natalie remained about the same.
Palpy, you talked with Anthony Daniels?
TPM I think had the worst acting in it as a whole. Liam Neeson was amazing. Ewan McGregor was amazing. Natalie Portman and Jake Llyod....disgusting. Jake was the worst in my opinion, I'm sorry but that acting was one of the worst pieces of acting I've seen yet. He acted like he was reading the script from a book, and didn't put very much personality behind the character. Natalie wasn't too bad but I still thought her acting failed. IMO Natalie was added to the cast for her stunning looks over her acting ability.
I'm not sure mate, if you see her in anything else she's very good, (amazing in Leon) I think it comes down to the fact that they had nothing to work with which was none of the actors' fault
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Yeah I don't think Natalie Portman's acting was that bad, and when it comes to Hayden Christensen's acting...have you seen some any of those "ROTS in 5 seconds" vids on youtube? Cause a lot of people Bashed his acting saying his character whined too much (which doesn't really relate to him as an actor + I can't be made if Darth Vader was a whiny teen at that age, wasn't everyone? lol) but after watching those videos I really was reminded at how much he did whine in those movies.
Oh & PS: another one of those bootleg dubb movies that bashes Christensen's acting is "revenge of the crybaby" its not terrible for a home-made voice-overs it got a laugh outta me.
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I still just think Natalie's acting is less than stellar, I saw her in another movie briefly, I didn't stay very long...and I don't remember the name, but it was also horrendous and my sister later came to me asking who the girl was from Star Wars and when I answered, she said she saw her in another movie and said Natalie's acting there was also not as good...just my opinion :).
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Yeah I respect that... ;) luckily no one has to put up with the prequels to know what ultimately happens to Padme (Her character wouldn't give us the chance to critique her work after ROTS & we all know why). Now the originals...those are the movies the movies that started it all, but its never bad to re minis.
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The only thing i loved about this movie was the end. Im sorry but Anakin was a SERIOUS WINY BRAT!!!! Hayden what happened...seriously :o Oh well he sort of redeemed himself in the third one but overall it was ok ;)
I think the movie had it's good elements, many more than just the ending, but the overall content of AOTC along with story & screenplay, lousy actor directing and attempt to bring the love affair by force hurt the movie. People often seek to accuse the actors, but I saw the troubles elsewhere than in Hayden. I remember in the Original Trilogy as George Lucas said to Harrison Ford "Just do it", "how hard can it be?". Revenge Of The Sith proves that Hayden can act IMO. I can imagine how hard it was for Hayden when the direct you'll get is like "be a loving teenager", "just do it", "how hard can it be". When I talked with Anthony Daniels, he said GL ain't much of a people person like some other directors. It's hard to create a master piece, when the foundation is bad :-\
Very good point, VERY good. To expand on what you said, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it Ewan Mcgregor that said that it was hard to act because there was no real scenery? Since most of the movie was CGI it was hard for the actors to get a feel of the environment hence the whole, horrible Anakin/Padme scenes. How can you be a loving teenager if the mood n scenery are not right?
I guess I should back off the poor guy huh lol ;D He did good for the bare bones he was given. Also if you take a look at the behind the scenes of the movie, you will even see that there wasn't much scenery to work with, some scenes were just pure green rooms for CGI. Hard to get a feel for your part like that lol ;)
It was Ewan who said that :)! During AOTC, the Kaminoans were completely CG, so he was saying how in practice, they talked with a guy who had a hard-hat helmet on with a cardboard head taped on the top of the helmet and Ewan had to practice talking to the head. And yes, both in AOTC and TPM, almost ALL the scenery was CG, as well as a lot of the "bad guys." It is kind of hard fighting in Geonosis, when the scenery is a green screen and the enemies are blue screens!
And even in ROTS, in my opinion, the love scenes were slaughtered. I think a lot of it is Natalie Portman's fault, I didn't think she did very well with the acting, especially in the Mustafar scene of ROTS. Hayden Christensen I think did a good job, and for AOTC, it was primarily the lack of direction and Natalie's acting that affected that. Hayden also did excellent in ROTS, in my opinion. Natalie remained about the same.
Palpy, you talked with Anthony Daniels?
TPM I think had the worst acting in it as a whole. Liam Neeson was amazing. Ewan McGregor was amazing. Natalie Portman and Jake Llyod....disgusting. Jake was the worst in my opinion, I'm sorry but that acting was one of the worst pieces of acting I've seen yet. He acted like he was reading the script from a book, and didn't put very much personality behind the character. Natalie wasn't too bad but I still thought her acting failed. IMO Natalie was added to the cast for her stunning looks over her acting ability.
Yeah on Scifi convention back in 2007 I talked with Anthony Daniels about George Lucas among other things, but it didn't become as a surprise that George ain't much of a people director. Like Harrison Ford said in some review George said to him "How hard can it be?, just do it". In George's visions there are all kinds of things ;D, he's brilliant in many ways, but I would leave my actors guiding & directing to his friends Spielberg & Coppola's hands. I believe Spielberg was there to help in Revenge Of The Sith
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Really? Didn't know that...although, aside from the major differences in Graphics & special effects then the originals, Revenge of the Sith has always been my faverite of the prequals because there is deffinetly a difference in the way the movie flows from the originals and maybe thats one of the reasons, Speilburg is another great visionary (next to Lucas ofcourse :D).
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have to agree with most of the ppl out there, probably a 6, since the plot is already predictable. The love and chemistry between padme and anakin just wasn't there.
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AOTC was a Great movie, probably one of my top 3 favorite of the Star Wars Trilogy. I was very emotioanly connected to this movie. I give it an 8
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I gave it a 10. The settings were awsome. I seem to be one of the few who really though Anakin was a great character as well. I understand the whole " Terrible actor" argument but in my opinion Starwars was not ment to have "Great acting". They're Sci-fi films. The Aura of the character is whats important.
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Attack of the clones. I gave it a 9.
I like it a lot, I think the special effects are very good and the battle of genosis is amazing, seeing all those Jedi in the arena! Fantastic!... even if most of them die.
The whole movie is great, the clones, Dooku, Jango Fett!
Anakin's evil side seems a bit too dark and too obvious. More subtlety couldn't go amiss in my opinion, especially as this depiction is meant to be close to the boy seen in Episode 1 than Darth Vader.
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It is really weird, because I thought this was the worst of the PT.
Over time, I have to rate it more favorably then the other two.
It is holding up a little better for me.
TPM is the best in the sense that it uses the most sets, less terrible groan worthy CGI EVERYTHING, and amazing acting from Liam. The Maul duels are the obvious standout highlights.
AOTC is interesting because, obviously, its the worst and most awkwardly NAMED of the entire series...
HOWEVER, this film most closely matches what I EXPECTED from a PT film. It lets me down the least, which is the best compliment I can give, LOL!
TPM should have been different and a WAY better opener and stage setter and should have made us fall in love with the characters we'd be hanging out with for the next two films. (It didn't. It just made us hate Jar Jar and hate Gungans).
ROTS should have tied things up nicely to ANH, it didn't. MANY questions left unanswered.
AOTC....showed clones fighting, Jedi's leading, Anakin getting a little bit more evil. None of it as awesome as I imagined, but...eh. It lets ya down the least.
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the relevant plot points seem washed over in all the PT films. example, one of the most relevant scenes in TPM was actuallly the one where anakin is on the naboo-ship and he says he's cold: padme comes over to comfort him with a blanket and, effectively, takes on the role of anakin's mother; later, in the next movie, the mother dies a preventable death; and even later, in the movie after, anakin becomes obsessed with preventing padme's death. who knew, at the time, that THIS would turn out to be THE Major Story Arc which leads him to becoming vader(?) ... in TPM when we FIRST see this relationship developing, we aren't even conscious of this BEING an important scene. it just seems like yet another random scene, in a movie FULL of random scenes. (which goes on and on, until most of the audience is convinced that TPM was functionally irrelevant to the overall story).
--> if we could take all the tiny bits of 'relevance' from all three PT films and string them together into a 90 minute montage.. then you'd have a single story-arc that makes sense. instead, the little bits of relevant story are washed out in a 7-hours-epic that seems to go absolutely nowhere. like trying to have a conversation with a rambling schizophrenic. you both KNOW he has a point to make. but he can only illustrate that point via hours and hours of rambling nonsense. (and we can only 'decipher' his point, in retrospect).
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when it comes to the prequels, I believe that george had planned enough of a "story" to fill a single movie (and make it interesting). unfortunately his self-declared mandate was for three movies, not one. and his point was mostly 'washed over' in 7 hours of rambling nonsense, representative of AOTC
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I think what happened (and it's really obvious in AOTC), is that George got too caught up in how the movie looked as opposed to what it was saying. The opening scenes in Coruscant: beautiful to behold...but painful to listen to. And perhaps the most important dialog (between Obi-Wan and Anakin about Palpatine) disturbed by cut scenes to sleeping Padme. ???
The droid factory, the arena battle, the desert battle...all beautifully filmed. The romance scenes too: beautiful. But empty. Bad dialog left the story lacking and the viewers wincing. "Why did he say that?"
And the arena scene...a set up to rally in the Jedi and the clone army could have been executed in a better way...like the Jabba barge scene in the Tatooine desert. No need to kill off unnecessary alien creatures and waste the viewers' time. :P They should have kept the trial scene. That would have been better.
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I quite enjoyed this movie,much more than TPM and give it an 8,i have to agree with Jasher,beautiful but the dialog was not the best.
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AOTC is my favorite star wars film so i gave it a 10 :P i love it, it was the first star wars film i ever saw and for me it has everything, action, romance, and a bit of comedy from obi-wan :D I just think as a film its an all rounder :P the scenes were amazing and the special effects are just awesome :D
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A very well done film with great action and a good love story. I still think Lucas should have made Anakin be played by the same character throughout all three films though cause the love story seemed a bit unrealistic and rushed in ATOC. There should have been a connection between Anakin and Padme starting in TPM. Also the character development of Anakin would have been more solid like Luke was in the later trilogy.
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This is my second favorite star wars movie my 1# favorite is ROTJ
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*gasp*...have you SEEN ESB? ;)
This one was hampered most by CGI in my book. Not enough sets and not enough shooting on various cool real life locations. The dialogue also needed help.
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This one was hampered most by CGI in my book. Not enough sets and not enough shooting on various cool real life locations. The dialogue also needed help.
Actually, Hayden mentioned later that in ROTS, there was one set. There was green-screen, and then the one set without green-screen. Wanna guess what the one set was? That little Mustafar room that the two heroes fight in for like eleven seconds - the one with the table.
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This one was hampered most by CGI in my book. Not enough sets and not enough shooting on various cool real life locations. The dialogue also needed help.
Actually, Hayden mentioned later that in ROTS, there was one set. There was green-screen, and then the one set without green-screen. Wanna guess what the one set was? That little Mustafar room that the two heroes fight in for like eleven seconds - the one with the table.
Maybe that is why the acting seems so labored and forced (no pun intended) Its hard as an actor I'm sure to immerse yourself when you are staring at green walls with tape as your reference points, and dudees in green outfits, and some hairy old hasbeen is telling you, "ok, this is a Maganaguard" I'm sure they're in their head like, huh?
Where as the orginal trilogy, they are actually in a forest, desert, tundra etc etc. With actual actors in actual costume. Maybe that to me is why the original trilogy seems more genuine and authentic to me. More real and gritty.
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Personally, I think that this was the weakest of the three prequels (and of all six in general). Though it did advance the overall story, it just seemed to be missing something. If it wasn't for the Arena battle, it would have been really bland. Even the lightsaber duels (other than Yoda's) were pretty weak.
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Agreed, and ONE SET?! Geez, that is worse than I realized!
I don't blame the actors...I think they all could have turned in better performances if given real sets. Look at Mark Hamil's acting with Yoda in ESB, and ROTJ. It is really very good and convincing. But again, Yoda the puppet is really there, there is a real, live performance going on. Just because we have the tech doesn't mean we should (over) use it. Example- the sets. Another example- the clones! How lazy is that. You can easily put armor on some extras and have a much more convincing scene to film!
These movies would have been so much stronger had they found real, cool locals to film them in for alien worlds....no amount of CGI in the universe can overshadow the awesome, beautiful reality Earth. There are so many 'alien' landscapes, I just think its lazy. And for Coruscant? Film a bit in some real cities! Would have added SO much...gritty and lived in is GOOD for actors and story.
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Agreed, and ONE SET?! Geez, that is worse than I realized!
Well, that was ROTS, not AOTC - AOTC actually had better sets. And there were elements in the other sets in ROTS, but according to Hayden, that was the only green-screen free set he worked in during the whole production.
I'll agree about the more set comment; gritty and real can't be replicated; nothing replaces techies crawling all over a full sized X-Wing and half a Y-Wing. ;)
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Ah, that's true. AOTC at least had some shots back on Naboo which must have necessitated a trip to the Lake country in Italy right? So many beautiful places to film that could be 'planets' themselves ::)
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i love this movie
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I'd say about an 8. I almost zoned out when it looked like it was going to be like one of those old black and white detective movies. If I started hearing Obi saying, "And then she walked in the door" I was going to walk out. But, it picked up and I have to say was way better than TPM
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I gave it a 7 as well because it was good, (because it was star wars of course) but the lightsaber fights weren't as long, they should've made them a little longer. :-\
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I liked this one. I think Iv'e said this before on another thread, but when it comes time for me to pick out an episode to watch AOTC always seems to the least likely for me to reach for. Don't know why
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This one got an 8 The mass lightsaber battle awesome. However, it was not my favorite.
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ATOTC was great. I really enjoyed being taken all over the galaxy. The only thing that I cannot stand is the arguing dialogue between Obi and Anikin when they first meet Padme and during the speeder chase scene.
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Everything about this movie was subpar to me. I gave it a 5/10 mercifully. The bad writing, overuse of special effects, and terrible lightsaber fights (not even bringing up the arena scene and C3PO's bad jokes) just bring this movie down. Anakin's creepy obsession with Padme blossoming into a romance is just so dumb to me, their scenes together don't have a drop of sincerity to them.
Ok I wanna think of something good about this movie... let's see... we saw Mace Windu's awesome purple saber? Less Jar Jar? Natalie Portman's midriff? (redlettermedia fans will get that last one)
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After TPM, it wasn't until we let our kids watch the Star Wars Saga that I even saw this installment. The only redeeming feature of this (and the other 2 prequels) is that my kids like them. Stiff acting, bad directing. It was just a complete let down.
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5/10
This movie is the weakest and least favorite of all for me. Almost can't even get through the movie any more. I mostly ignore it when it get's put on.
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Easily the worst Star Wars movie in the series.
Hayden Christensen IS actually a talented actor and he was amazing in Life as a House. But sadly Lucas didn't provide his actors with a good script that could have allowed someone like Hayden to showcase his talents. Anakin also was not a good guy and in THIS film especially we should LOVE this guy if we were supposed to really be crushed when he fell. His fall was supposed to be tragic. If we don't like him, then the tragedy element would fail completely. Instead he murders an entire village in rage. Sure he feels bad about it, all the while spouting an ego maniacal rant about how he's not powerful enough, but it doesn't change the fact that he did it and he blames everyone around him for holding him back when he should be taking a good hard look at himself. If he attempted to rescue his mother in the Tusken village and was attacked, having no choice but to kill some of them, or be killed himself (self defense) then yes, I would like him a whole lot more. Especially if he was devastated that he had to take some lives to save his own when he confesses his actions to Padme. THAT would have been heroic. Again, it wasn't an element that was entirely removed from what we saw, it's just developed further than Lucas took it. Thus my consistent argument that he COULD have done a better job with the script if only he didn't rush through them.
I didn't buy the love story. At all. It was clear that Anakin was obsessed with Padme and probably lusted after her. But it wasn't love. And throughout she treats him like he's just some annoying kid, but then when they are about to enter the arena (and possibly meet their death) she suddenly, inexplicably professes her LOVE for him? Give me a break! There is absolutely NO reason why she would love him. None. What reason would she have? Yeah, he saved her from the centipedes. But her decoy died saving her life. She didn't fall in love with her decoy for doing that.
The fight scene with Jango and Obi-Wan in the rain was really great though! Very much in the style of Indiana Jones. Rough and tumble and hinted that a Jedi could hold their own in hand to hand combat (once both combatants lost their weapons.)
The whole assassination attempt subplot was weak and the fact that the Jedi chose to have Anakin, who is blatantly emotionally attached to Padme, to be the one to guard her? Are the Jedi really THAT stupid? And don't feed me that "the dark side clouds everything" non-sense. Why? Because without the Force these characters couldn't still have a rational or logical thought cross their minds? C'mon!
One of my biggest gripes with the new films is the LACK of space battles. And while ground battles are cool, this one just didn't engage me. What would have been awesome was to see the Jedi fighting hand to hand combat (as much as I LOVE LOVE LOVE lightsabers) and using the Force to fend off the legions of darkness.
One really cool episode of the Gendy Tartovsky Clone Wars shows Mace Windu weaponless, defending himself against an entire army of droids. Completely Badass! If there was more combat like that, it would have been amazing to watch!
This one just lacked so many things and what it did have was so sparse that for me it was the weakest of the series. By far.
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even in TPM padme is set up as a replacement for Shmi. when anakin is 'cold' on the ride to coruscant, and padme gives him a blanket, padme is acting in the role of his mother. eventualy, anakin will transfer ALL his "Attachment" for Shmi onto padme. and this will explain the 'too-fast' love story. apparantly, to GL's mind, this ONE scene is enough to establish the connection: anakin uses padme to replace his mother. after this ONE scene, the only relevant bearing on the plot will only come after shmi dies. so really, that's ALL shmi has left to do, in order to fulfill her dramatic purpose: all that's needed from her now, is her death scene. "Freeing" her is not germane to the plot. in fact "freeing" her would actually complicate matters of storytelling... it is FAR more convenient storytelling to just say "watto wouldn't have it" and let her remain in jeopardy SO THAT she can die on tattooine in the next movie, AND fulfill her dramatic purpose.
--> I've said it before, Shmi should have been rescued at the end of TPM (by 'Qui-gons Defiance'), and they could set her up in an apartment on coruscant. the jedi could kidnap her, and take her away from watto.. and there would still be a price on her head (so she's still technically in 'jeopardy'). anakin would (secretly) visit her on coruscant for the next ten years, even though he's technically not allowed to have this 'attachment' by the jedi order. and the price on her head could be so small, that NO bounty hunter would bother to collect it, for 10 years... UNTIL..
until there is a price placed on padme's head as well, for being opposed to the military creation act: now the bounty hunter comes to coruscant to hit two birds with one stone: Shmi is killed on coruscant by jango fett in the opening scene of AOTC and the bounty hunter turns his sights onto padme now. anakin absolutely freaks out, and swears to protect padme, in ways he could not protect his mother. --> now he's transferring his feelings for his mother, onto padme - explicitly. Shmi still dies in AOTC (thus fulfilling her dramatic purpose). and anakin still swears to save padme from the same fate. granted: its not quite as 'convenient', but it makes more sense, and achieves the same dramatic purpose
--> anakin replaces his mother with padme and transfers ALL of his 'attachment' onto HER now. this explains the too-fast love story, from anakin's POV.
meanwhile, from padme's POV, "you'll always be that little boy I knew on tattooine". (padme's choice to enter politics has prevented her from having a family like her sister did -- she has maternal instincts, which she transfers onto 'that little boy from tattoone', and this allows her to 'love' him despite his faults, which include murdering an entire village - she forgives him, as a mother would).
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Yeah I would take your version of this sequence of events over what we got. I think it would have raised the stakes! Very cool twist on the story.
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I gave this film a 6, tho granted I thought this move was the sheezy-fo-reezy when it came out. Kinda reminiscent of Empire in that there were unlikely lovers, bounty-hunters, dismembered hands... However the acting, dialogue, camera work, and certain parts of the choreography seemed lazy and predictable. Why does Anakin just stand there lazily and let Dooku cut his arm off? Why does Ewan seem to have no enthusiasm when speaking to Dooku while shackled? Why does Dooku and the separatist leaders seem so calm when they realize they have lost Geonosis? And you can't deny that Anakin's initial approach to "picking up" Padme early on is nothing short of "creepy creeper". Now the good parts. Ewan had no problem performing his scene with (freakin' digital characters like) Dex, and later with (sic?)Llama Su and Taun We. You could also really feel the tension between him and Jango when they first meet. NO ONE can deny the emotion Anakin felt when his mother died -- this scene was epic and the score really helps the audience connect with his rage with its chaotic melody that sounds like a bunch of PO'd string instruments suddenly and violently turned on and murdered their respective players. Finally every Star Wars nerds wet-dream-come-true moment when we see Yoda break out his own little midget saber and mop up Dooku all over the place till he's worn ragged and flees the scene like a coward. All in all, the film was a mixed bag, like the guy who gives out health food/pencils/unpopped popcorn/etc. instead of candy on Halloween. So yea, a 6.
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just about scraped a 7 for me.
to much green screen again, awful acting again.
still at least yoda looks normal in this 1 lol and you get to see yoda fight at last, thats why it got a 7 and not a 6.
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I had to think about this one a little bit. I went a bit low and said 5. Probably my least favorite of all. I realize it was more of a love story to show how Anakin and Padme really come together but I was kind of worn a little thin with this one. Good points though were Anakin's character. We finally got to see what he was somewhat like(loved his saber too!). Jar Jar had less dialogue in this one. Thank God! Obi Wan was still great to watch and we also got to see Mace in action along with Jango Fett. Overall though I would have to say this is the weakest of them all.
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Imo, AOTC was the second best movie in the PT. I had issues with the puns regarding the loss of 3P0's head were weak. The look on Windu's face after decapitating Jango was stupid. Hayden Christensen's acting was just as atrocious as the kid that played Anakin in TPM. The only redeeming qualities of the movie were the duel between Yoda and Dooku and Obi-Wan's allusion to the OT by asking Anakin "Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?". It deserves a 6 imo.
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I gave it a 10 , I love this movie :D , I don't care about the small flaws,Et cetera