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Title: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Kun2112 on October 13, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
Since this is a saber board:
Okay, after having seen the first two episodes of Rebels and some of the character vignettes, I have to say I like two of the three new sabers they have introduced.


First is Kanan's
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20140801211452%2Fstarwarsrebels%2Fimages%2F2%2F20%2FKanan%26%23039%3Bs_lightsaber.jpg&hash=512ee6b4c84f2bdd1dd4eb4d7fdaeb0e5e48ef92)
I really like the combination of the OT and RM concept feel to it. Also reminiscent of Dave Dorman's painted covers for Dark Horse back in the 90's
My personal favorite.


The second is Ezra's
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.totallycostumes.com%2Fimages%2Feh-80050-star-wars-rebels-ezra-bridger-lightsaber-toy___5_RU-35505-INSET1.jpg&hash=66df49ce42387680a2febe758cb4210a9fbb7e29)
Not seen in series yet, but on the toy market in time for Halloween. Purists may decry the integrated blaster, but for the character and series situation, I think it makes sense.


The third (and one I don't like) is the Inquisitor's
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pYBhOsPVVI4%2FUtCOMfPCA_I%2FAAAAAAAADP0%2F5rdse1C52hY%2Fs1600%2FSaberCompare.jpg&hash=a012ce4e88b49facdf9d666b985e0c8de2889d19)
A short-hilt saberstaff that has a circle around the hilt connected to the emitters--so the thing can rotate...
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20140727100044%2Fstarwars%2Fimages%2F5%2F5a%2FDouble-bladed_spining_lightsaber.png&hash=f072af7420263a79d0519f6eb7b79e5c58101bf0)

What are your thoughts on the designs?
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: BOBA FETT on October 13, 2014, 01:34:32 AM
Not a big fan of the second and 3rd design. But the Kanan is just killer IMO!
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: ScrimpyPIE on October 13, 2014, 02:46:17 AM
Not a big fan of the second and 3rd design. But the Kanan is just killer IMO!

I concur. Kanan's is the best of the three and IMHO, the only legitimate looking saber; but that's just my take on things. :)
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Darkjedi on October 13, 2014, 03:28:29 AM
Yes in on the same band wagon with you guys. Kanan's hilt Rocks! :jediblue:

I can understand Ezra's design being not trained in the Temple and the found objects thing. It more in his chain of thoughts. Also he has to hide it so it in a rebel/ outlawed Jedi makes since.


This Inquisitor hilt just looks like a crazy toy. I get he's from the vampire planet ::) and they want something alien. It just looks like a toy.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: basalter on October 13, 2014, 04:18:40 AM
I suspect most will favour Kanans' more traditional hilt, as do I. Yet, as an attempt to design something a little more unorthodox I think the Inquisitors is pretty interesting, both in look and action. Even though he is neither Jedi or Sith, so I wonder if it even contains a crystal? Ezras fulfills a desire I have had to see a lightsaber used as a blaster. I will be looking forward to seeing it in action,
and as so far the series is living up to my highest expectations, I am sure implementation will be most satisfying. But certainly I think in Kanans' saber we have another classic.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on October 13, 2014, 06:16:17 AM
Kanans is already a classic because it has classic elements...the others are unorthodox which doesn't in itself make a saber a bad design, afterall the double bladed saberstaff and guard shoto were unfamiliar at one time, but they look 'clunky' [unrefined design-wise] and what is worse TOY like - probably because they ARE intended to be TOYS more than anything else - designed more for the IRL tie-in KIDDIE toy market ca$$h-in ka-ching! than any legitimate artistic motive of a logical place for such technology in the SW mythos.

 In other words thay are STUPID looking because they are designed FOR 8-year olds [and look like something that would be designed BY an 8 year old].

These hideous abominations of TOYISH 'lightsabers' are yet another example of the DUMBING DOWN OF STAR WARS post-Disney that does not bode well for Ep.VII [especially considering how JJ Abrams moronicized Star Trek Into Dumbness] and which I knew was coming in this series as soon as I saw the 'light-SLINGSHOT' [What The Force???] and the Inquisitors is nothing more than an attempt to 'legitimize' the SPECTACULARLY STUPID 'general grievous spinning lightsaber' TOY of a few years ago in a new character.

Oh well I guess its not QUITE as moronic as light-NUNCHUKS...which I suppose they are saving for next year on Rebels or maybe Episode X or XI which will feature 'Darth Maus' versus 'Teenage Alien Jedi Turtles' I suppose... [don't give them any ideas eh?] *rolls eyes*

I was really starting to LIKE Rebels with the premiere too...-SIGH-
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: 97th Acolyte on October 13, 2014, 07:38:49 AM
I personally like both Kanan's and The Inquisitor's hilts. I'm not a fan of the Circle thing, but as a single, (or double) saber without that, I think it would be awesome.

As for Ezra's, I like the concept, but something about the actual hilt looks... Off... To me. Dunno why. :P
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Askew Wai on October 13, 2014, 08:22:29 AM
I don't mind Ezra's, it has a cutlass hilt vibe. Hopefully it takes some reconfiguring to use as a blaster, otherwise there's another team mate rendered redundant. Is the saber dual-length too?

The Inquisitor's hilt looks cool when the emitters align with the handle, but the spin action makes it very hard to imagine any correlation with previous saber cutaways. Some sort of infinite energy loop interrupted by mirrors? Lightxena?
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Lord Bane on October 13, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Kanan's is my favorite. I'm just waiting to own one for myself. Hint Hint Boba...;)
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Kun2112 on October 13, 2014, 09:23:10 AM
I think some of the "off"-ness in the Ezra hilt is because the picture is of the toy. The Kanan toy doesn't look much better.

I found a render on deviantart that looks pretty good:
Lightsaber: Ezra Bridger 2 (top view) by TheHatter-10-6 on deviantART (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lightsaber-Ezra-Bridger-2-top-view-488075409)
(Direct img link not working)
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: KI-ADI-MUNDI on October 13, 2014, 09:32:41 AM
Really... are you guys complaining that the second lightsaber... The one that is a photo of a toy that looks like a toy?.... I just don't get all the hate for the new Star Wars or JJ or Disney or any of it...... I think I'm gonna make a thread for the new stuff with no negative comments allowed because I'm seriously tired of hearing it we've got like 10 years or so of new Star Wars movies coming plus the cartoons and who knows what else... That is going to be a long time to have to listen to people complaining about the Star Wars that's not their Star Wars anymore..... Get over it please or move on....
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on October 13, 2014, 09:47:12 AM
People are entitled to their opinions.  We welcome both sides of this argument and people can feel free to post their opinions about Disney and Star Wars both negative and positive just like they have been doing since this forum opened ;D.  If you'd like to make your own thread "positive comments only", feel free but keep in mind discussion fails when you only allow one side to express opinions. 
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: 97th Acolyte on October 13, 2014, 09:49:23 AM
Really... are you guys complaining that the second lightsaber... The one that is a photo of a toy that looks like a toy?.... I just don't get all the hate for the new Star Wars or JJ or Disney or any of it...... I think I'm gonna make a thread for the new stuff with no negative comments allowed because I'm seriously tired of hearing it we've got like 10 years or so of new Star Wars movies coming plus the cartoons and who knows what else... That is going to be a long time to have to listen to people complaining about the Star Wars that's not their Star Wars anymore..... Get over it please or move on....

No, its not because its a toy. I'm aware the 'real' thing will look better, but it just does look off. Don't get me wrong, I love the direction that Rebels is taking in terms of the rebel crew, and the design of Ezra's blaster/saber reflects that. I'm looking forward to the saber itself being shown off more in future, but I'm curious as to how it'll work out.

I'm also REALLY excited about everything coming up in the SW universe! :D
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: bombarta on October 13, 2014, 10:42:30 AM
Not a fan of any above.  :-\
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Kun2112 on October 13, 2014, 10:58:15 AM
Everything is personal preference after all.
Myself? I don't like most of the prequel sabers. The clan sabers are the worst offenders IMHO, to me they look like something fresh off a lathe, just tapped for thumb screws. Ep II-III Mace, Dooku, Anakin mkI (but this is kinda a MPP with silver shroud), and Yoda's are the best from PT. The OT sabers (and Yoda's) have an instinctual presence that tells you that they do something, because they were made from found parts that did actually do something.
I am getting that vibe on Kanan's and Ezra's.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Katarn on October 25, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
just got a spot on Force Relic's KANAN RUN!
gonna get me a stunt and put a Nano Biscotti in there.

i want to try and sand down a blade tip to look like the show too... anyone else notice the very "katana-like" tips?
i might even go with 3/4" blade to match the thin blades of the show. at very least i will go 7/8".

this saber is by far my favorite from the show so far. incorperates OT, McQ. and the lighting designer of the show was in charge of the saber blades (hey, they are LIGHTsabers!) so he wanted to follow very closely to the first release of ANH with thinner blades, match the flicker of the spinning rods (NOT rotoscope style) and he even went as far as matching the FoC colors! i read the article in star wars insider. pretty good interviews in there!

cant wait to get the kanan saber! not sure yet when they will ship but my initial payment is due December 15th. a stunt should ship pretty quick i hope!
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Cad-Bayne on October 25, 2014, 08:55:57 AM
A 3/4 blade would be more accurate to the show saber.  Good luck
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Katarn on November 01, 2014, 08:26:18 PM
yup im already consulting with a certain smith on the build. am i correct in noticing the blade tips on this show are offset? like the tip of a katana?

and the only reason i am hesitant to use 3/4" blades is they dont allow for much length without losing brightness.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: darth hondo on November 19, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
yup im already consulting with a certain smith on the build. am i correct in noticing the blade tips on this show are offset? like the tip of a katana?

and the only reason i am hesitant to use 3/4" blades is they dont allow for much length without losing brightness.

yes, it looks like that the blade gradually shrinks and is almost pointy as it runs from the emitter

not clear what size blade the run is going to use but looks to be larger than 3/4
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on November 19, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Distal taper.

It makes REAL sense on REAL swords and fighting knife blades and isn't just for 'appearance sake'.

Some PLONKer [Person with Little Or No Knowledge] in Hollyweird with only MARKETING sense of 'loox kewl doodz yeah that'll SELL lots of Hasbro telescoping blade toys cuz it looks like em' and no understanding of why distal taper does exist in real weapons and wouldn't exist on energy blades [*Scotty voice* I cannae change the laws of physics Cap'n] is responsible for that. -sigh-

Not quite as stupidly impossible as a certain lightsaber subject I will not mention ;) but still more 'dumbed down for kiddies' stuff that alas one might expect from The House Of Mouse.

They need a science advisor but apparently can't be bothered. -sigh-
 
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: darth hondo on November 19, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
Distal taper.

It makes REAL sense on REAL swords and fighting knife blades and isn't just for 'appearance sake'.

Some PLONKer [Person with Little Or No Knowledge] in Hollyweird with only MARKETING sense of 'loox kewl doodz yeah that'll SELL lots of Hasbro telescoping blade toys cuz it looks like em' and no understanding of why distal taper does exist in real weapons and wouldn't exist on energy blades [*Scotty voice* I cannae change the laws of physics Cap'n] is responsible for that. -sigh-

Not quite as stupidly impossible as a certain lightsaber subject I will not mention ;) but still more 'dumbed down for kiddies' stuff that alas one might expect from The House Of Mouse.

They need a science advisor but apparently can't be bothered. -sigh-
 

thanks for "distal taper". always knew that existed in katanas but not the proper terminology for it. 

fx sabers are props so there is a lot of latitude until real lightsabers are built…
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Katarn on November 22, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
no im not really talking about the distal taper effect. however i too think that's dumb in lightsabers. (do they have that effect in the show? although obi-wan vs. vader in ANH they sort of seem to have it?)
what im talking about is all of the promo stuff i have seen (bare with me, i've been deployed and havent seen a single episode yet) the blade tips seem to have the actual TIP offset. not centered like the prequel blade point. here is a pic to show you what i mean...

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-F_0zKqzPseA7-9qt1fT15CfGTLErIftUM9g15y0ocyoWmzC)

there is an angle on the tip for sure here...
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20140804214955%2Fdisney%2Fimages%2F6%2F6a%2FKanan_Jarrus_Full.jpg&hash=38ff98c167683fcf852eee59e81cc32d10aef6f1)

do you see this on the tip of all of the sabers in REBELS? or is it just Kanan's saber? or... is it just my eyes playing tricks on me?
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on November 22, 2014, 04:03:17 AM
Aah I see what you mean now...

I've noticed it does seem different than previous lightsaber blades but don't see how it could be an actual offset tanto/katana type 'chisel point' on a blade that isn't made of matter - perhaps it is more that somehow the plasma of Kanans blade in Rebels is focused into a very sharp point rather than the more rounded semi-spitzer ogive bullet like points we see on Prequel trilogy sabers or the round ends we see in OT sabers...and if its a sharply angled point then from certain angles you could see only one of the angles and it might seem to appear more tanto/katana since especially with a lightsaber being very bright ones mind would only perceive one angle to the tip and human pattern recognition would 'interpolate' that angle continuing into the area blurred by brightness so a perceptual illusion ofr an offset perhaps?

Well that's my rationalization lol

Or maybe they just decided fuggedaboud physics a tanto/katana chisel point on a saber loox kewl doodz and the kiddies won't know any better.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Katarn on November 22, 2014, 09:03:01 PM
well it looks like i will have to "loox kewl doodz" a custom saber blade tip for this saber...  ::)

haha well it might look ok? if only i had a 3D printer?
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: cannibal869 on December 12, 2014, 03:06:34 PM
Some more pics of Ezra's saber emerge...

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.kinja-img.com%2Fgawker-media%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fs--v-mY0uhr--%2Fc_fit%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_80%2Cw_636%2Fs1ctnas3t4gug03tvlcx.jpg&hash=10989044660e274756fce5579d7ae080234361fd)

Umm... combo blaster and saber?!?? Now where have I seen that idea before?...
 ::)


toy pics... go figure... Disney marketing in full effect!

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F53323bb4e4b0cebc6a28ffa2%2Ft%2F548b5af8e4b068057bf36fa7%2F1418418945012%2F%3Fformat%3D750w&hash=7f405b511366efb7ab7723ebd720ea3fda007d06)
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Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: bobi-one on December 13, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
oh common.... Ezras hilt looks like a Cable Tacker . For me Rebels is one more Holiday Christmas special, which by some reason i am beginning to like
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on December 13, 2014, 07:32:01 PM
I'm not so bothered by the Ezra staple-gun hilt as the Inquisitor spinner or the TFA crossguard hilt since at least the idea of combining a blaster with a saber is not inherently stupid. Though I don't really get the 'reason' that Ezra isn't good at deflecting blaster bolts so he switches his saber to a GUN so he ca SHOOT them instead? Oh but its STUN bolts [cuz its a Disney KIDDIE show - cant have our YOUNG hero KILLING stormtroopers I guess...leave that to Kanan and the "hairless wookie" ;) ...grrr @ stupid dumbing-down for dimbeciles and kiddies again like you'd expect from the House Of Mouse -sigh-] so that makes it sound 'ok' to parents when selling the Hasbro TOY I guess but doesn't make it any less dumb a rationalization [not that I mind rationalizations, just make it a smarter-than-a-fifth-grader or at least sensible one please].

But the Ezra saber design itself while not exactly an ELEGANT weapon isn't really so bad as the 'official reason' for it and still way WAY better than the Inquisitor or the TFA sabers imo.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: nartules on December 14, 2014, 02:56:31 AM
Staple gun.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: KingOfDathomir on January 31, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
Well in the last episode, Ezra said he built in the blaster since he didn't know how to use a lightsaber much at all. No mention specifically, however, that it was because he couldn't block blaster fire.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Wickedreamz on February 04, 2015, 06:38:17 AM
I watch this show with my kids and the sabers although dont look traditional I think they look good. I do have to remind myself that its a kid show from time to time lol
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Justsomeguy on February 23, 2015, 08:29:19 AM
I really like the sound that Ezra's saber makes when igniting.  Is it a 747 taking off?
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: methos2523 on October 05, 2015, 04:23:40 AM
I actually like Ezra's saber...

*dives into cover and waves a white flag*

ok, hear me out before jumping on me... lightsabers are very personal things, they're designed by the Jedi using them... which is normally after years of youngling training and seeing Sabers being used around and knowing what's expected of them.

Ezra doesn't have any of that... for him, survival is the most important thing in his life... ranged combat and the utility to stun an opponent from a distance is something he'd value over getting into a Saber duel with an opponent who is bigger, stronger and better trained than he is... above all else, he's a survivalist.

So putting that into context, when designing his lightsaber, I can actually understand why he designed and built this monstrosity.

Yes, it's fugly as sin... and yes, no other self respecting trained Jedi would ever come up with something as inelegant or clunky as it... but for Ezra, for his life and his creation, it fits perfectly.

And at the end of the day, if Sabers are supposed to reflect their creators and be an extension of the wielder, then yes, I can say that I think Ezra's is a superb design for the character.

Onto the others...

Kanan's saber... god yes... I have the Force Relics version hanging from my belt as we talk lol

Ahsoka's new sabers... *drools heavily* so much want!!!

Inquisitor 1 saber... not bad, an odd design choice. I can understand the appeal of it, but it's not one I massively like.

Inquisitor 2 saber... definite improvement over Inquisitor 1... love the centre grip, the the rotating spike hilt really caught my eye... can't wait to see it in action :D
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: waystone on March 18, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
Anyone catch the folding saber pike for the new temple guard. Would love a MHS part to get that fold right.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on March 19, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
There were some interesting sabers on the wall too...mostly clan designs we've seen before but also a couple of new ones.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Luar Selbor on April 03, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
Everything is personal preference after all.
Myself? I don't like most of the prequel sabers. The clan sabers are the worst offenders IMHO, to me they look like something fresh off a lathe, just tapped for thumb screws. Ep II-III Mace, Dooku, Anakin mkI (but this is kinda a MPP with silver shroud), and Yoda's are the best from PT. The OT sabers (and Yoda's) have an instinctual presence that tells you that they do something, because they were made from found parts that did actually do something.
I am getting that vibe on Kanan's and Ezra's.
I agree for the most part. That found in the trash or reperposed look is more appealing. At the same time a good weathering can do some good for some of those prequel hilts. I think the OT sabers have that used look and have intricate details (ie. Multiple materials, colors, and various diameters) that make them more real. The blade effects have a lot to do with that for me as well. More organic and energy light.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: basalter on April 03, 2016, 05:22:57 PM
Well, since Ezra's saber was destroyed in the most recent episode it looks like there will be a new design in the works. Curious to see what that will be like. Even though I did not like the new saber in Ep 7, now shown in Rebels as well, and indeed Ezra's saber, as well as the Inquisitors circular models (Kanan's was excellent) I have, never the less, enjoyed the introduction of the new designs. Just because the designs were not my personal taste, they still widen the parameters of what a saber can be, and that is wonderful!   
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Luar Selbor on April 03, 2016, 08:40:04 PM
Although I'm not a hundred percent for it I do foresee Ezera having a similar cross guard Sabre in the next season. I think Ezra and maybe even Kane and character is going to play a big part in the new trilogy. The main thing I do enjoy is hearing how different is a broken sound but yet still have the sound of a lightsaber. Excited to see what variations of sound we're going to hear and see.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: timtil18 on May 28, 2016, 02:29:02 PM
I love the Inquisitor sabers and wish someone would create a duel-capable metal variant.
Title: Re: Rebels: Lightsabers
Post by: Malachor V on September 25, 2018, 10:25:33 AM
Kanan’s saber is awesome