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Title: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Yoda on November 28, 2006, 08:28:42 PM
Hello everyone
Here is the recommended list of batteries for the type of saber you have.

For: Stock Master Replica Force-FX Lightsabers 3 or 6 cell battery types.
Duracell ULTRA (long life) Duracell Power Pix and Energizer E2 Titanuim. (Great for Brightness)

For: Luxeon Conversions 3 cell type
Energizer E2 Lithium

For: Luxeon Conversions 6 cell type
Duracell ULTRA and Energizer E2 Titanuim.


(rechargeable AA or AAA batteries are not recommended)
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Rechargeable wired packs:
7.2 configuration using Lithium-Ion for Hyperdyne and Luxeon Converted Sabers are design specific
and are supported by their custom drivers.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Kure on November 28, 2006, 08:37:31 PM
Thanks for the info Master Yoda.

Looks like i'll have to stock up on batteries now :)

I have energizer e2 Titanium in my Obi right now.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Cyano Khaar on November 29, 2006, 04:27:42 PM
I put some Duracell Ultras in my Vader, and it glows and sounds better than any other battery.

I love it.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on November 29, 2006, 05:05:11 PM
Thanks for the info master yoda!!DaJoQuim
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Christoph on December 01, 2006, 08:40:38 AM
For us users in the UK

Duracell ULTRA  M3 and Energizer Ultimates seem to be  the high end batteries that most places stock.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Mojo_LA on December 10, 2006, 03:07:48 PM
I suggest people give Lithium batteries a try (note that this is a type of battery, not a brand).

Lithium batteries typically last considerably longer than Alkalines, and in my own tests, they actually made my sabers glow about 20% brighter than standard alkaline batteries (these were cheap Alkalines, I haven't tried them against  the premium Duracell or Energizer batteries Yoda mentioned, but I will and report back).

Also note that Lithium batteries are LIGHTER than Alkalines (about 25% lighter), so if you're loading up a Darth Maul double, you'll definitely feel the difference.

Lithiums cost about twice that of alkalines, but they are absolutely worth it.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on December 10, 2006, 04:46:46 PM
Hi Mojo and welcome to the forums! I've tried lithium batteries on my ultra saber with a lex three and Those batteries do work better.DaJoQuim
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Noneoftheabove on December 15, 2006, 01:27:05 AM
The Energizer e2 Lithiums are the best I've discovered so far. They've got the longest battery life!

Although I haven't noticed a change in brightness compared with these over regular Duracells.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: zmmptet3 on December 15, 2006, 02:52:06 AM
On a stock FX, would the lithiums make a noticeable difference over titaniums?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: snaggletooth on December 15, 2006, 02:36:35 PM
I wonder what sort of testing was done to make these recommendations?
I've seen some testing that showed the Titaniums to be mostly marketing hype.
In Luxeon based tests there were other cheaper batteries that outperformed the Titaniums every time.
I'll try to find the data.

Found it:
Looks like I remembered wrong.
The Titaniums did perform pretty well...... but enough to justify the cost........?
Most people said no.

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flights.chevrofreak.com%2Fruntimes%2FAA%2520cells.png&hash=8f7ae2e8245e58bd06a517f87f2f66a8d3c6b502)

FYI, Batterystation.com has their own brand of lithium AAs for a lot cheaper than the Energizers.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on December 15, 2006, 03:13:52 PM
Hi snaggletooth
    We you do research; you don't mess around. Thanks for the info. DaJoQuim
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: snaggletooth on December 15, 2006, 03:46:49 PM
Not my research.
 :D

Just stuff I found over on my flashlight board.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Mojo_LA on December 20, 2006, 02:53:31 PM
I posted this is a few other threads, but I think it's worth spreading around - it will answer a lot of questions about batteries.

Here are the results of testing my Obi-Wan saber with lots of different batteries:

http://www.monkeyview.net/id/3302/sabers/Obi_Battery_test.vhtml?no_browser_cache=2006-12-20%2001:28:46

What works best?  See for yourself!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: himurax13 on December 20, 2006, 07:34:33 PM
I haven't performed any conclusive or long term testing but I have used all kinds of different sets of batteries from cheap rechargeables to the super expensive Lithium batteries and one thind I have noticed with all of my Luxeon converted sabers is that it made almost no difference unti the batteries were almost dead.  I just wanted to share that with everyone.  I also have many different setups from 3 cell AAA's to the 6 Cell Luke ROTJ and Mace conversions and the same holds true.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Raijlin on December 26, 2006, 12:57:46 PM
Well Master Yoda, I went ahead and followed your advice.  at first, I was hesitant due to the cost of these batteries, but now I am glad I took the chance.

I currently have the Energizer E2 Titaniums in my Darth Maul Staff Saber, Vader ESB, Mace Windu ROTS, and Initiate Saber from Ultra and the difference IS significant.  I feel the money was well spent.  Not only did it drastically improve my color, but the sound increase was amazing also.

I put the E2 Lithiums in my Anakin ROTS Luxeon 3 and the increase of color and sound was amazing.

Thanks for the great advice Master!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Mojo_LA on December 27, 2006, 02:35:31 AM
Darth, you might want to check this out:

http://www.monkeyview.net/id/3302/sabers/Obi_Battery_test.vhtml?no_browser_cache=2006-12-20%2001:28:46

Lithiums are very good, but Duracell Power Pix are a tiny bit better, AND they cost much less.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on February 23, 2007, 07:19:29 AM
I observed that too, Mojo. This summer, when cash was a pinch, I purchased the PowerPix batts and noticed that they were either the same as E. Lithiums or better. (Visually and sound-wise) But PowerPix are alot less expensive. And for my buddies and I, who went through batts this summer, it was a welcome change of pace.

One thing with the Lithiums, they lasted a little longer than the PowerPix.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on February 23, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
I agree with you BF.  The power pix are the brightest, but they do have a short life. It seems that instead of gradually getting dimmer and dimmer like a normal batteries. They just crap out all at once.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on February 24, 2007, 11:30:33 AM
I wonder what the mAh rating for the PowerPix is any ways. I think I read somewhere that the mAh rating for the Energizer Lithiums is in the 2700's. The averaghe batt is about 2400, eh?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on February 24, 2007, 02:25:25 PM
I think it is 2750 ir 2800. I remember them being just slightly higher then the energizers. I found the information once, I think on Duracell's website...
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Mojo_LA on February 24, 2007, 04:56:24 PM
Although my tests did show the Duracell Power Pix to be a slight bit brighter than Energizer Lithiums, it would be worth doing a test to see how long each battery retains the saber's brightness.

Lithiums are more expensive than Power Pix, but in most of the products I've used them in, they REALLY last a long time.  3 or 4 times as long in some cases.

If the Lithiums were to outlast the Power Pix by that margain,  they would be the better bargain.

And remember, while the Power Pix are brighter than Lithium, it's not by more than maybe 5%...
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on February 24, 2007, 08:06:59 PM
I recently just used both. And I would say they they out last the Power Pix by a hair.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on February 26, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
I think I am switching back to PowerPix for the sole fact that at $7.99 CDN a 4 pack, they are more conveniant. The Energizers Lithiums are $15.99 CDN for 4 a pack.

A no-brainer here for this scarecrow! ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on February 26, 2007, 04:30:52 PM
My local Walgreens ( a pharmacy chain here)  had them for 3.99 U.S. on special!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on March 29, 2007, 08:52:16 AM
Hey guys, is it bad for the saber if you use plain old Duracells? Also, I was curious as to how often you guys think battaries should be changed if I'm using the sabers almost daily?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on March 30, 2007, 11:00:33 AM
Nothing wrong with Regular Duracells. They just don't last as long.  ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 01, 2007, 08:35:36 AM
Thanks Cin thanks for the info. :) I switched out to Energizer max in my Obi-Wan stock to do a side by side with my new Obi Ultrsaber using the same batteries. The Ultrasaber is still brighter than the stock, but my stock Obi is the brightest it's ever been! :) Oh btw, the only Dracell Ultras I can find say digital on them, are these good for a saber?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on April 01, 2007, 08:45:34 AM
 ;Dyes I use those in my mace rots saber!! ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 01, 2007, 08:48:47 AM
Thanks Master Dajo! :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: robiwan on April 01, 2007, 08:50:54 AM
I have been using the Energizer Lithiums in my Ultra and Obi. Very nice. Have not tried the Duracell yet.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on April 01, 2007, 08:53:10 AM
 8)Hey robiwon!!I use those on my ultra saber(Lithiums)and hot dog they make it brite!!! :o
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 01, 2007, 08:57:04 AM
What's the deal with Lithiums....according to the manual MR says to only use alkaline, but I read so many fx owners who use them.-I'm confused. :(
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on April 01, 2007, 09:06:31 AM
 8)Hey jedi logan I for one only them in my ultra saber which is converted to a luxeon blade;as;for my other sabers which are from masterreplicas the other batteries will do my friend!! ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on April 01, 2007, 09:21:59 AM
I only use Energizer Lithiums and love em.  They last so long.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Cyano Khaar on April 01, 2007, 09:30:27 AM
I just bought 2 packs of those energizer titanium for my Ultra saber. Yet to use em, are they bright?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 01, 2007, 10:10:19 AM
Any possibility of the lithiums damaging the electronics of the saber?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 01, 2007, 05:51:28 PM
Thanks Cin thanks for the info. :) I switched out to Energizer max in my Obi-Wan stock to do a side by side with my new Obi Ultrsaber using the same batteries. The Ultrasaber is still brighter than the stock, but my stock Obi is the brightest it's ever been! :) Oh btw, the only Dracell Ultras I can find say digital on them, are these good for a saber?

Are the blue batts with gold writing? If so, those are the PowerPix and are great.

JKL, Lithiums are not hazardous in my experience. They are great, just expensive. I find that the Maul FFX drains any battery, even when not on. I always remove them after I use the Maul FFX. They last longer. But this is the only batt issue I have had.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on April 01, 2007, 06:25:38 PM
 8)Yes you're right about that!!Those maul sabers do eat up batteries lol!! :P
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 02, 2007, 08:12:34 AM
Just like me scarfing down donuts when I am on shift! ;D

(Even when not on duty... :o)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 02, 2007, 08:17:41 AM
Thansk again Cin! I'll give the lithiums a try. :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 02, 2007, 08:24:12 AM
They are good JKL.....Just very expensive. What saber is it for? I am to lazy to read the posts earlier here. ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 02, 2007, 08:36:02 AM
Your're not lazy Cin, just ....mindful of your energy expendature. :D  As for which saber, first and formost my new Obi-Wan Ultrasaber ;D ;D, that's going to be my primary saber I think. Although my Luke ROTJ could use a boost. I probably won't want to dump the money on putting lithiums into my entire collection, but maybe those two and my stock Obi-Wan. :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 02, 2007, 08:53:18 AM
From what I have read, the Ultra is good even with regular batts. The Lithiums in the stock Obi-Wan is REALLY bright! I strongly caution you to not ignite that in the dark. It may cause more temporary blindness than being frozen in carbonite.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 02, 2007, 09:46:46 AM
lol :D Good Point. :D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 02, 2007, 09:55:53 AM
Using it i n the dark, you might as well say, "Look, I'm Ray Charles!----------> 8)"

God Rest His Soul. :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on April 02, 2007, 05:39:42 PM
Power Pix and the ROTJ are a good combo.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 05, 2007, 09:15:36 AM
Thanks Pianoman! I was thinking of giving those a try. :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Mojo_LA on April 05, 2007, 01:07:18 PM
I have posted this many times, dunno how people keep missing it, but here is my test with many kinds of batteries:

http://www.monkeyview.net/id/3302/sabers/index.vhtml?load=Obi_Battery_test

As other members have also discovered, DURACELL POWER PIX will give the the brightest saber.  Lithium batteries are very, very close, but they are also twice the price.

Lithiums will most likely last longer, but I haven't done a rundown test.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on April 05, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
ROTJ with Power Pix is like a completely different saber!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Vosk on April 05, 2007, 03:41:09 PM
I will continue to stress this in battery threads.. but whatever batteries you guys use please for the sake of your FX Lightsabers if you plan on not dueling or messing around with them for a long period of time (say two weeks to a months time) then take out the batteries.  If you don't theres a good chance they'll leak acid and it will destroy your saber.

I had one of those Hasbro custom kits that you could mix and change with and I had not messed with the saber for a good month or so... well when I went to go use it a couple of weeks ago when my youngest nephew was here it wasn't working right... so I decided to check the batteries and acid spilt from both batteries and completely destroyed the electronics in the saber. 

So again please take those batteries out if the saber is not going to be in use for an extend period of time.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 05, 2007, 10:06:37 PM
For some odd reason, I pictured BigT sayings this like Palps in his Korriban/Coruscant corridor in his office when Anakin finds out about his Sithness. ;D

"PLEASE Anakin, I beg you....Use my knowledge...."
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Lord Clueless on April 10, 2007, 03:43:01 PM
thx very much yoda for the info

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on April 20, 2007, 12:49:30 AM
 :) Here's my rundown of my experience with a few different battery types in sabers:

Duracell standard coppertops- Typical LR6 1.5v Alkalines. Good in a pinch if you are completely broke. I don't recommend them for any long periods of time. They drain quickly and produce less than stellar results with light and sound.

Energizer standrd and MAX- Same as duracell standards... Crap out VERY quckly.

Everready "Cat 9"- Used to be a state of the art battery in the Late 70's. Pretty Much worthless in a saber. In stock FX, they cause intermittent "dark spots". Lifespan is not too shabby if you actully find a good set. AVOID!

Panasonic, Rayovac, etc- A tiny upgrade to the Cat 9's. Stay far, far away from these. Utter garbage in luminosity and sound.

Energizer e2 Titanium- Great luminosity and sound in a Stock FX (6 cell especially). Mid-range lifespan...MUCH better than standard Energizers (Max). Decent pricing for quality.

Energizer e2 Lithium- This is THE battery to use in a Lux converted FX Hands down. Great boost in sound, and Luminosity is BRIGHT! More expensive than any other AA I have EVER used, but well worh it. If you use the saber they're in a lot, the life can be a little short however.

Duracell Ultra Digital- These are GREAT for a stock or Lux FX. Especially in terms of battery life. It has been my experience that Ultras last the longest out of any other battery in an FX. They lose a little in Luminosity if used in a LUX, but not enough to detract from performance.

Duracell PowerPix These puppies make your saber VERY Bright, but the run time is really short (especially in a LUXEON). They are very affordable compared to e2 Lithiums, but with the run time they offer, you're better off buying Ultra digitals. Unless of course, you want to impress a crowd with a quick duel! ;D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 20, 2007, 09:44:31 AM
I like that review, Darth Morbius. :)

I don't know if I have ever seen the Duracell Ultra Digital, however. ???
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: BEN KENOBI on April 20, 2007, 04:28:50 PM
 ;)i have on my mace rots and it does a great job with that saber !! 8)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on April 20, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
I like that review, Darth Morbius. :)

I don't know if I have ever seen the Duracell Ultra Digital, however. ???

They look a lot like a regular duracell LR6 AA pack. They have a blue shooting star arcing around the pack... Here's a link...

http://duracell.com/products/ultra.asp?id=35& (http://duracell.com/products/ultra.asp?id=35&)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: HAN SOLO on April 21, 2007, 08:39:33 AM
 :D, silly me. Those are common here. I just never read the pack while I shopping. I just grab what I looking for.

*Runs off with with a banana and starts typing with the other chimps in Mr. Burns' secret basement facility.*

 :P
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on April 21, 2007, 11:17:46 AM
 :D LOL well we all dothat sometimes.... Off to the Airport I go now...
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on April 22, 2007, 07:28:10 AM
Great run-down Darth Morbius! :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on July 08, 2007, 10:46:54 AM
Dear Yoda
Two years ago you wrote about the Fuji Novel Super Alkaline 7300
They are very cheap but you've said, they less much longer than Duracell.
There was a Science program on the television that time, about new methods of making batteries in China.
They would be 7 times better than the ones we use now.
You've used this Fuji Novel's in that time, but do you still use them?
Do you still find them as good, or did you turned to the Duracell side?
I don't know if this are the batteries from the program, but iff they are, I can't buy them here in Holland, so I have to import them. (Typically Holland. Iff they are cheap and working much longer, than they loose money)
 
Darth Matth.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on July 08, 2007, 10:58:45 AM
I was wondering how the Power Pix were going to fair in a luxeon. Good work DT.

I also concur that for a stock FX, Duracell Ultra's  have a great runtime and produce a much better blade then cheaper batteries.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: robiwan on July 08, 2007, 11:35:41 AM
I haven't tried Power Pix in my Luke ROTJ (Luxeon) yet. I used to use Power Pix in all my sabers. When I did the conversion I switched to Energizer Lithiums. I'll have to get some more Power Pix and see.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on July 08, 2007, 12:00:37 PM
Im sure their runtime will be substantially less!

Any chance you can get a picture comparing them to the E2's?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on July 09, 2007, 10:48:34 AM
I don't have pics of E2's VS Power Pix, but the Power pix are a tad brighter in a lux. They last half the time though, So I stick with E2's
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Msby on July 09, 2007, 10:31:44 PM
sorry for going slightly off topic, but i looked back in this thread and noticed that the Maul eats up battery life faster than the other sabers, but how fast would you run out of juice? and how fast in a Luxeon conversion?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Jedi Knight Logan on July 17, 2007, 05:52:25 PM
The Energizer E2 lithiums have been working great in all my sabers. Here's a pic of my Obi Ultrasaber with them in and they're not even fresh!

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi183.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx24%2Fredlogan2004%2Fsaber1.jpg&hash=557e1d83258fb9c7692d9bbda962cbee079211f4)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on July 18, 2007, 03:12:17 AM
I'm hinking of importing the Energizer e2's because they are very expensive here in Holland. €10,-- for two.
But Yesterday I bought Duracell Power Pix and they really make my sabers looking explosive.
It's a verry big difference with Duracell Ultra M3 witch I normaly use.
Do the e2's give the same amount of light, and iff so, iff one less longer, does it keep the brightness, because Duracell Ultra M3 looses brightness verry fast altough they stay alive for a long time?
Did any of you guy's compared the two (Power Pix and Energizer e2), and how are your findings?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Cuke on July 18, 2007, 08:04:58 PM
Hey don't know if this has already been posted in this thread (didn't bother to read through the whole thing) but what are the batteries to use in a Mace ROTS because it uses six so is there a difference with the batteries to use in it?

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on July 18, 2007, 08:12:10 PM
There's not much difference in respect to six Vs three-cell MR sabers with exception of run time. The six cell models run a little longer because instead of three cells you have sixe 4.5V x 2 ran in parallel.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on July 18, 2007, 09:47:18 PM
If your going after brightness, used the Duracell Power Pix. Walgreens has them. If your going for run time, use Duracell Digital Ultra.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Kai Kudo on July 18, 2007, 10:58:28 PM
If your going after brightness, used the Duracell Power Pix. Walgreens has them. If your going for run time, use Duracell Digital Ultra.
Thanks for the advice Admiral, I was wondering which Duracell batteries to use besides the standard ones.
I was going more for run time over brightness but, I'll give both a try, thanks again! ;D


as always
MTFBWY
Kai Kudo 8)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Taskmaster99 on December 22, 2007, 11:24:42 AM
Newbie here....please forgive this question if its been addressed elsewhere. I thought I rembered a little while ago when I was lurking....reading a post that said Duracell's dont work well in the Yoda stock FX. Is this true or am I imagining things.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Aluke123 on December 22, 2007, 11:33:29 AM
That is not true. Any AAA battery will work with the Yoda FX.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on December 22, 2007, 11:53:42 AM
And the PowerPix are explodingly bright.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: JenariRevan on December 22, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
I just wanted to add to this that on the advice around here, last week I replaced the Duracell M3 batteries in my Anakin ROTS, Vader ESB and Luke ROTJ sabers with Duracell Powerpix ones not expecting any real noticable difference... boy was I ever wrong to doubt the people around here.

I - and indeed all the people I showed the comparison photos to - were simply stunned at the visible difference. The brightness and volume level along with the blade LED consistancy (particularly in the Luke which never looked too hot) shot up way beyond my expectations. The Luke ROTJ has gone from blotchy and distinctly underwhelming to almost perfectly smooth.

All three now even have an extremely visible arc wave even in moderate daylight and are simply stunning on film.
For anyone in the UK hunting these somewhat elusive Powerpix batteries, Argos sell them in perfectly suited packs of 6 for £4.99 right now (come on... just how perfect is that for two three battery or one six battery saber?) and I too now highly recommend them. As said above, they are indeed "explodingly bright" and that really does sum up how good they made all three of my blades appear.

Don't underestimate how important the batteries can be like I did for so long. There IS a worthwhile difference!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on December 22, 2007, 10:42:57 PM
And the PowerPix are explodingly bright.


Yes. For some reason these really affect the ROTJ more then other sabers. Not sure why. It's not that you can't notice a difference on other sabers, because you do. It's just that the ROTJ for some reason becomes MUCH brighter, as noted in the post above mine..
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on December 23, 2007, 03:29:23 AM
I had that with the Yoda, and that saber is green too. (Green is more visible to the eye, and so you see the changes better too)
The luke uses 6 batteries.
I think the batteries have a bit more Voltage on them, it's common with some brands (times 6, Hay), but that also means that they have less Amp. whitch means they less not as long as say, Duracell Ultra M3, you will see.
Sometimes they sell them for half the price, two for the price of one
The last time I bought 40 packaches.
This is not that much.
I have six sabers and they all use three batteries thats 18 batteries each time.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Taskmaster99 on December 23, 2007, 10:34:59 AM
Holy crap!!!!!! You all werent kidding about the Duracell Power Pix. Went to CVS today to buy some. All they had in stock was AAA so I bought a pack for my Yoda. What a difference!!!! Thanks all for this thread. Never knew certain batteries could enhance the experience.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on December 23, 2007, 10:44:30 AM
Walgreens has the AA power pix and AAA. And they are on sale.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: robiwan on December 23, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
Don't underestimate how important the batteries can be like I did for so long. There IS a worthwhile difference!

Couldn't have said it better! I wonder how many poor souls are running their sabers on dollar store batteries because they can't justify spending the extra money on those "expensive" batteries. How much they are missing.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Eros-Excel on January 08, 2008, 01:08:26 AM
Hey guys, newbie here. hope im posting correctly this time. I just got my Luke ROTJ stock saber. I put in regular alkaline duracels. I'm kinda dissapointed in brightness. I know you guys recommend power pix, but i was worried because of the recommendation from MR. It says alkaline only. Why does MR make this recommendation? I want to use power pix, but will i regret this in the longrun?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darthmorbius on January 08, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
Use Duracell Ultra Digitals... Power pix are fine, but I only use them for showboating the luxeons... They have a higher mAh than normal Alkies...

Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Eros-Excel on January 08, 2008, 06:34:10 PM
Thanks for the info, dath tyranius. I'll try em'. Has anyone ever tried Duracell Pro Cell?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Eros-Excel on January 08, 2008, 07:40:33 PM
The duracell ultra's are much better. thanks again.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on January 09, 2008, 06:09:10 AM
The mAh is not the problem.
The higher the Amp. the longer the batteries run.
The Voltage is the problem.
They always write 1.5V but by messering the batteries you will see that some batteries delliver more Voltage. ( sometimes it is good, but with some things that uses much batteries at ones it can be BAD. That is why they tell you on the packache for what kind of things the batteries need to be used)

With the years passing by, the mAh are increasing a lot making the batteries run longer, and that's a verry good thing,.
If you take 3 batteries of 1,5V-2500mAh and put them in a flash-light or a FX-saber (serial), you get 4.5V but the mAh stay's the same, 2500mAh.
I only believe that the Power Pix deliver more voltage than what they want you to believe, more like 1,7V --- times 3 is 5,1V and this will give you the extra punch.
But in a saber that uses 6 batteries it will be more, but I don't know for sure if that is too much. (By seeing what Erv from Plecter Labs did with the LED-strip version of his CrystalFocus-board, than it is clear that the LED-strip in the FX-sabers don't run on full power, and can do more.)


(If you stick 3 batteries of 1,5V - 2500mAh PARALLEL on a LED of 1,5V, you still have 1,5V but you get 7500mAh and it runs 3 times longer. Iff you do that SERIAL wich give you 4,5V - 2500mAh on that same LED, the LED will explode)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on January 09, 2008, 06:51:25 AM
Either way you can't make your saber explode by using store bought batteries. And even in regards to the led's they supposedly last 100,000 hours, so even if you get 50,000 hours run time by slightly over running it,  you'll probably end up converting it before your led's die anyhow..
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on January 09, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
Your thinking like me.
The few minutes a day I'm playing with them, will make them last for a 100 years.
That's why I am using Duracell Power Pix.
They don't less that long, but when I have to show them off, I always put new ones in them.
When I hang them back on the wall, I take the batteries out and put the older ones back till they are empty
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Ishi-Goturi on January 13, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
Quick Question: Why does no one want to use rechargeables in their lightsabers? I've always wondered about that. I tried powering the LED in the custom saber I'm making with some rechargeables yesterday, and I'll admit that it didn't get very bright. I thought this might have been because they were low on power, but I'm not sure. I plan on going out tomorrow to get some good batteries to power my new custom and to replace the mixed crappy ones in my Mace, but I was just wondering if there was a specific reason why everyone always says to not use rechargeables.  ???
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Aluke123 on January 13, 2008, 12:55:31 PM
The good rechargeable batteries are Li Ions and NiMH. Those, however, either won't fit in a normal MR battery pack, or are too powerful for a stock MR.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Ishi-Goturi on January 13, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
The ones I have around that I use in my gaming equipment and camera and stuff are just some cheap Rayovac Hybrids, which means they were probably the cheapest rechargeables in the store. lol I haven't tried using them in my MR, but like I said, I used them for about a minute in my Lux III yesterday at about half-power, and the brightness was abysmal. I'm going to stop by Target in about an hour to see what I can find.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: lowandheavy on January 13, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
I have four rechargable energizer e2's in my custom I figure this works out cause it still delivers 4.8v to the board. If I'm wrong I would like to know.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Ishi-Goturi on January 13, 2008, 04:08:08 PM
Well, I just got back from Target and tried out six of the Duracell Power Pix in my ROTS Mace, and I can definitely tell that it's much brighter than it was earlier today. ;) I also bought four Energizer e2 Lithiums to use in my blue Lux III.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Nerdold on January 23, 2008, 05:33:58 PM
http://reviews.cnet.com/4660-10165_7-6812133.html?tag=vid.2

I found this on CNET videos.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Ishi-Goturi on January 23, 2008, 05:46:24 PM
Great. Now I have to get a Haz-Mat crew just to chunk my Lithium batteries. :-\ lol
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Aluke123 on January 23, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
I wouldn't of thought that throwing out a lithium battery was breaking the law. Oh well. I don't even use them, AND, I recycle all my batteries anyways.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Serafel on January 24, 2008, 10:37:55 AM
A simple comparison between random saline battery (top) and pix power duracell battery (bottom), on a luke ROTJ stock MR (6 AA)
http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=n1awxqps.jpg
http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=n8mq1qwf.jpg
The two shots were made with the same exposure level, so you can compare

The blade looks greener but the brightness difference is there.

Here the difference between random rechargeable nimh batteries (top) and pix power duracell battery (bottom), on an Obi stock MR (3 AA)
http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/0408/bzajviwd.jpg
http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/0408/pchjvesg.jpg

Still a brightness difference, but the obi blue blade was already bright.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Zenki-Jedi on January 29, 2008, 05:52:52 PM
Speaking of recharageable batteries, I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried the Rechargeable Alkaline batteries by Pure Energy? They look appealing because they're 1.5v (as opposed to Ni-MHs at 1.2v).

So 1.5v rechargeable Alkalines would seem like a win-win situation then, right?

Now if only there was some decisive evidence, or technical wisedom to prove that using rechargeables would shorten the lifespan of the sabers..... :P
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Ishi-Goturi on January 29, 2008, 05:59:10 PM
A simple comparison between random saline battery (top) and pix power duracell battery (bottom), on a luke ROTJ stock MR (6 AA)
http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=n1awxqps.jpg
http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=n8mq1qwf.jpg
The two shots were made with the same exposure level, so you can compare

The blade looks greener but the brightness difference is there.

Here the difference between random rechargeable nimh batteries (top) and pix power duracell battery (bottom), on an Obi stock MR (3 AA)
http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/0408/bzajviwd.jpg
http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/0408/pchjvesg.jpg

Still a brightness difference, but the obi blue blade was already bright.

lol Wiimotes + lightsabers. Reminds me of my room. :D

I think I need some new recchargeables. My Rayovac ones are starting to crap out and only work half the time.  :-\
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on January 31, 2008, 05:44:17 AM
Looks good.
What's the mAh of those?
It's sad that the companies doesn't put their mAh on their packaches anymore so we cannot compare them before buying them.

Also The Power Pix gave such amount of power because when you messer them you'll find out that they are more like 1,7V instead of 1,5V.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Morbius on May 03, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
I just wanted to add to this that on the advice around here, last week I replaced the Duracell M3 batteries in my Anakin ROTS, Vader ESB and Luke ROTJ sabers with Duracell Powerpix ones not expecting any real noticable difference... boy was I ever wrong to doubt the people around here.

I - and indeed all the people I showed the comparison photos to - were simply stunned at the visible difference. The brightness and volume level along with the blade LED consistancy (particularly in the Luke which never looked too hot) shot up way beyond my expectations. The Luke ROTJ has gone from blotchy and distinctly underwhelming to almost perfectly smooth.

All three now even have an extremely visible arc wave even in moderate daylight and are simply stunning on film.
For anyone in the UK hunting these somewhat elusive Powerpix batteries, Argos sell them in perfectly suited packs of 6 for £4.99 right now (come on... just how perfect is that for two three battery or one six battery saber?) and I too now highly recommend them. As said above, they are indeed "explodingly bright" and that really does sum up how good they made all three of my blades appear.

Don't underestimate how important the batteries can be like I did for so long. There IS a worthwhile difference!
              The E2 Lithiums are currently in ALL of my sabers apart from my Ultra Wraith which seems to prefer bog standard Duracells - but as the Powerpix are a fiver for six I'll pop down to my local Argos and buy a pack or two and check them out.

      Just bought three packs from Argos this afternoon - my local branch had sold out so I had to take a short train journey to the nearest city (Liverpool) in order to get them, Theoretically I have enought to power six sabres now, but I'm waiting until my UltraFX arrives until I try them!  ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Silent.Rain on January 05, 2009, 07:55:39 AM
Hello, I though to make up the post on batteries?

I just bought Duracell's ultra, plus and power pix.

I've putted plus into vader anh (standard duracells were inside) and frankly, no difference.. I was sad :(
Than I tried out Duracell's ultra on my Anakin (rots) and same, no difference. However, I did not do the power check (pressing the two dots, I don't think its required before inserting?)

I have not yet tested the power pix, but is there any difference between it and ultra?

Also, am I using totally wrong battery setting for lightsabers?!

This has probably been posted and I mean by answered before.. I just don't have the strength to read 7 pages right now :( forgive me
Shame on me  :-\
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on January 05, 2009, 08:08:37 AM
I'm afraid you'll have to go back and read the topic....the answers you seek are in there.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: vortextwist on January 05, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
I know the energizer e2's lithiums are recamended. I have always used rechargables for mine (don't like shelling out all that moolah)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Kyp Durron on January 05, 2009, 08:43:45 AM
LOL, don't feel like you're alone, Mace. :D

I use Energizer rechargeable batteries in my Anakin and they seem to perform well enough for me.



-Joclad
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Silent.Rain on January 05, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Master Jin scares me, he sounds like Palpatine  :o
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I recall return of the jedi "I'm afraid your rebel friends... bla bla bla" -- > thats all i recall  ;D

Besides.. offending a master.. Thats not going to look good on my record   :-\

I tested out the power pix  ;D yeooowie  ;D
Well, to put in a simple way.. Vader with duracell's ultra --> could not hear humming, glow is probably better than standard alkalines and its way more lasting..
Vader with power pix --> could hear the humming, slightly brighter  ;D

I'm very happy, I'm picking power pix from now on.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that i tested between anakin and vader. Placed them both on floor and vader with power pix had better luminous glow on the floor than Anakin.. Perhaps its just red color?

There are some concerns however, I've read that batteries slowly die if not in use (how does that make sense, if they're in store for a long time.. ehhh? unless they get used and left alone?) Darth Maul drains batteries when inactive right? Hows that possible, I don't understand.. Is it only the Maul or? Do power pix lose power over time if not used?

Can someone answer my questions, cause I'm confused as it is with this thread and the next thing you'll notice is Master Jin chasing to cut my head off  :o

Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: QUI-GON JINN on January 05, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
Master Jin scares me, he sounds like Palpatine  :o
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I recall return of the jedi "I'm afraid your rebel friends... bla bla bla" -- > thats all i recall  ;D

Besides.. offending a master.. Thats not going to look good on my record   :-\

I tested out the power pix  ;D yeooowie  ;D
Well, to put in a simple way.. Vader with duracell's ultra --> could not hear humming, glow is probably better than standard alkalines and its way more lasting..
Vader with power pix --> could hear the humming, slightly brighter  ;D

I'm very happy, I'm picking power pix from now on.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that i tested between anakin and vader. Placed them both on floor and vader with power pix had better luminous glow on the floor than Anakin.. Perhaps its just red color?

There are some concerns however, I've read that batteries slowly die if not in use (how does that make sense, if they're in store for a long time.. ehhh? unless they get used and left alone?) Darth Maul drains batteries when inactive right? Hows that possible, I don't understand.. Is it only the Maul or? Do power pix lose power over time if not used?

Can someone answer my questions, cause I'm confused as it is with this thread and the next thing you'll notice is Master Jin chasing to cut my head off  :o


It takes more than that to make me chase you down and relieve your shoulders of their burden....that's Vader's job!

the reason the red looks brighter is because the human percieves that part of the visible light spectrum better than the blue shades. 

Leaving batteries in any electronic device will eventually lead them to run down as the contacts are still allowing the electricity to flow into the device...this effect is sometimes referre to a s"passive draw."  It's always a good idea to remove the batteries from your lightsaber,  no matter what brand or type it is in case of battery failure...no one likes to have a leaky battery destroy their saber's electronics.

as far as what batteries are best,  that's really dependent on what you're saber is...stock MR/Hasbro FX's have been found to perform best with the Duracell ultras....while a converted-to-Luxeon FX saber has been found to be brighter with the Energizer E2's.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: orlandocepeda on January 05, 2009, 02:08:19 PM
its really good to read the old posts on here i think i actually got the answer a long time ago but heres what you do find the oldest batteries you could find and mix them all together put it in a bag and throw them away. Fresh new batteries any make any model(i.e. energizer durasmell rayovac)  will work fine in any MR (master replica) saber non converted  now for a converted you will want to use the energizer lithium (its what i use in my converted luke it works great as master Mace says he uses rechargeable which is fine too.
P.S. the search feature is your friend and a great man once told me "when all else fails read all the directions" in this case posts
now that its all said and done welcome  and enjoy the forums i know i do
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Silent.Rain on January 06, 2009, 01:52:53 AM
I apologize Master Jin. My intention was not to offend you, but to put small joke aside  ;D
Well enough of this.

Well, power pix works great for vader at least and sound is sharper, clearer so.. I'll stick with that for time being and test on Obi and Ani rots
Just one more thing regarding this topic.. Is it safe to remove battery cell holder - with batteries - and put them into a dark displaying closet - with batteries in it - and than use them whenever I train with sabers?

Thats all I can think off
P.S. You're not going to send Vader after me.. are you?  :o
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Taskmaster99 on January 06, 2009, 07:33:20 PM
I did a search but couldnt find anything.....so if this has been covered already...please forgive me. I just recieved my first Parks saber..........what 9v battery do you all recommend? I think energizer makes a titanium in the 9v and possibly a lithium.

This is my first EL saber...which is why Im asking.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: vortextwist on January 06, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
THAT is a good question. I haven't dabbled in 9vs so I would think that the inverter will supply the same voltage regardless of what kind it is. maybe someone else has an idea.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: secretApprentice on March 30, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
forgive my ignorance, but it intrigues me to ask whether removing the battery pack or removing the baterry from both the hilt and the batt. pack to prevent unwanted batterry drainage??
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Luke S. on March 30, 2009, 08:35:08 PM
forgive my ignorance, but it intrigues me to ask whether removing the battery pack or removing the baterry from both the hilt and the batt. pack to prevent unwanted batterry drainage??

I think the idea is to stop drainage, yes.  Your choice.  Pull the pack, pull the pack remove the batts from the pack.  The batteries won't drain in the pack as the sound boards are what cause the drain.  Your holder is just that, a holder.  Now if you're talking a custom and not an MR then your holder would be hard wired in and you wouldn't remove the holder but the batts only.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Phantom on April 11, 2009, 01:44:03 AM
Thanks for the info Yoda is this possible for an ultrasabers phantom too?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: secretApprentice on April 11, 2009, 09:08:13 AM
anybody got some pict to demonstrate the brightness between an energizer e2 and duracell's ultra in a standard mr/hasbro sabers??
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: proxy-photos on May 12, 2009, 04:58:14 PM
thank you master yoda
may the force be with you
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Weld Twiin on July 28, 2009, 08:51:48 AM
lightsaber battery disposal:

 http://earth911.com/hazardous/single-use-batteries/tips-on-recycling-single-use-batteries/
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: torque6 on August 06, 2009, 06:01:20 AM
i am using enegiser, lithium. its super light, so thats a bonus.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: General Veers on November 22, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
If I'm correct, MR suggestes Duracell.  That's what I use.  I've also heard here on the forums that one of the worst things you can do for a saber is to mix different battery brands.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on November 23, 2009, 03:38:02 AM
It seems that the Panasonic Evolta's go at least twice as long than Duracell Ultra M3 now.
I didn't see them yet, but I'm very curious though.
What I like about the Duracell PowerPix is the extra Voltage they give so the blade is much brighter.
Only they won't less that long.
PowerPix is for showoff your lightsaber.
Evolta is for endurance.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: littleangus1014 on December 11, 2009, 08:26:35 AM
why the rechargeable AA or AAA batteries are not recommended??
i use them all the time...
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: The Highwayman on December 11, 2009, 03:36:20 PM
Some give ot much voltage, and others ot little. I have used NiMH's in stock sabers, but they don't work as well as Alkalines.

MR boards need roughly 4.5 volts to function properly. Some do weird, unexplainable things below that voltage. :D :D Like clashing continuously, turning on and off. Having sound but no blade light.... etc etc..
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Aelde Renn on December 11, 2009, 05:34:45 PM
I can understand that the E2 is a preferred battery, but I felt I should pass on something I learned from Chewbacca when I got my Obi TPM converted from him.  He told me that these batteries were causing the LED to fry if it was a P4 Blue!  Safe to say, I am not putting this to the test, I like this saber too much!  LOL  I did put them in my stock Obi ROTS, though, and love it!
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darth_call on December 11, 2009, 05:37:37 PM
This I can confirm, ....the P4, ...both red and blue do not "appreciate" the E2 batteries. I have ONE hilt that uses these batteries AND has a P4 (red), but I have blown no less than 4 other P4s using E2s.

Duracell, ....heck, ...I've actually been using rayovac and tenergy AAAs with great results on P4s
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on December 11, 2009, 05:41:48 PM
Lithiums should not be used in sabers.  They often have higher than stated voltages and if that voltage exceeds what your LED or soundboard, or both can handle, magic smoke ;)
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darth_call on December 11, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
Well, ..I've used them often in MR soundboarded sabers with no issue as well as stunt sabers with LUX III LEDs.

Many people have, ....many people swear by them. To each there own, ...Aelde is passing on info that is needed. Simply put, ....if u use E2 batteries in your sabers, ....avoid using them if u swap to a P4.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on December 11, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
I have seen many MR soundcards blown with Lithium batteries.  It is one thing if you are only using a 3 pack then even if each one is 2V you still end up with 6V total and, in most cases will be OK.  But if it is in a custom with a 4 pack, you will surely be sorry.  The same with stunts.  If you are only using a 2 pack and it is a blue or green you will most likely be safe.  If you are using a red or amber, you will find trouble.  To me, the unpredictability is not worth it at all.  Why chance blowing your soundcard or LED when there are other battery choices?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darth_call on December 11, 2009, 07:43:04 PM
I think we are saying the same thing, just using different verbiage.

Do I use them, ....yes, ...but I take that into account when Im building the hilt. If a P4 is being used, ....definitely not.

Would I say that they can be used in a typical 3 cell setup, ....sure, ....at your own risk, ....but when I do a conversion and the LED changes from a Ladder to a single P4, I stress the issue more with the buyer to ensure they dont blow the P4.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Luke S. on December 12, 2009, 03:02:59 AM
That can't be a blanket statement either for all sabers.  Master Yoda uses lithium ions in his graflex.  I use his 2 x 14500 setup and am extremely happy with them.  Been using that setup for years with both a US and CF.  My custom has a 2 x 18650 pack on a US that works great and has an insane runtime.  No complaints here.

I agree that they might not be good for MR boards with the lower voltage requirement.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darth_call on December 12, 2009, 03:47:36 AM
Correct Luke, Luminara and I arent saying not to use Li-ons. They have there role in the hobby and are great for US, CF and other boards.
But we arent really discussing Li-ons in general, ...we are talking about the notion that E2 batteries get used as replacements for AA or AAA.

I believe u are referring to the 3.7v li-ion battery, which is an entirely different battery, .....and one which I love using when the build allows.

But when it comes to using a 4 cell (6v battery pack) and a MR board, caution is urged.
When it comes to using them with a hilt that has a P4, ....caution is urged.

There will always be exceptions, ...my personal hilt has a Yoda FX board that handles them well, .....AND up until recently even had a P4, ...a red one no less.

If the hilt is using a MR battery pack, (3 cell), then chances are, you are still OK, unless the conversion is using a P4.
Most of my stock hilts used E2s with no issue. The Mace ROTS actually looks better with them.

Again, ....it may not be an issue "across the board", but it is an issue no less.

I have first hand seen P4s blow while using them and Luminara has had instances of boards blowing while using them.


Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Luke S. on December 12, 2009, 06:05:35 AM
I agree Chewie and wanted to just make it more clear for newer members that were unfamiliar.  It could easily be construed as no lith ions are good. 
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on December 12, 2009, 06:08:17 AM
Yep, the wookie is correct ;D.  I was referring to lithium batteries, not Li Ion rechargeable batteries, Luke.  Li Ion batteries are fine if the saber was designed, like in the case of Master Yoda's, to use them. 

When Vader's Vault designs a saber, for example, we take into account the LED we wish to use and what it needs for voltage and current and then the driver we are using, eg. MRFX board, CF, or US 2.5 or US 2.1 (different allowed voltages) and then we design a rechargeable battery solution (usually a custom pack, in our case) around the planned saber.  As a result, you cannot take out one of our Li Ion 2 packs, for example, and replace it with 2 alkaline batteries.  It probably wouldn't even light up :D  The battery solution is designed around the saber.

Lithium AAs (the Energizer E2s for example) are sold as a long lasting replacement to alkalines (for a bit higher price than alkalines too ;)).  The theory is that you take out the alkalines and replace with the lithiums and, no problem.  However, it can be a problem in the examples mentioned.  If I build a direct drive stunt saber (like most Ultrasabers, for example) and I use a 2 pack solution and I have a red lux that only wants 3.51V and I give it 4, it may not tolerate it.  The P4 reds are only rated for a max of 3V, which is why they are so much more sensitive.  Put 4V to a P4 red and bye bye now :D

In a simple fashion, that is true of an MR saber as well.  However, they under drive the board which can handle 6V and use a 4.5V solution (3 battery).  So, in a stock FX saber even if you get lithiums that are 2V a piece at start point instead of 1.5 (1.6 or so at start) of the alkaline, the board can still handle it (most times).  But if you have a conversion or custom that is using a 6V solution (4 battery) and the lithiums start at 2 volts each you are giving 8V to a board that only wants 6V.  Oh noes! ::)

The real problem is that lithiums are not consistant. You may get one with a starting voltage of 1.65V and another with a starting voltage of 2.1V.  Unless you are going to make the appropriate calculations and check the beginning voltage of your batteries every time, it is probably better to stay away from lithium batteries, IMO.

However, to clarify once again, lithium batteries and Li Ion rechargeables are not the same animals :D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: JANGO FETT on December 12, 2009, 06:49:23 AM
Perhaps agreeing on the shorthand would make it easier for everyone to understand.

li-ions = trustfire, ultrafire 
lithiums = Energizer E2, Duracell Ultra

Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on December 12, 2009, 06:53:10 AM
Perhaps agreeing on the shorthand would make it easier for everyone to understand.

li-ions = trustfire, ultrafire 
lithiums = Energizer E2, Duracell Ultra


:P :P :P
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Luke S. on December 12, 2009, 07:30:36 AM
I'm glad we clarified that.  I know the difference but I even got confused in this thread.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on December 12, 2009, 09:29:35 AM
Well I guess we could suggest everyone get a multimeter and meter every cell before using them like old vet soldiers checking every round of ammunition before a battle for bad primers or necks that could misfire etc...but noobs probably wouldnt do that...lol...so probably unrealistic to expect.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: ahsoka on December 20, 2009, 11:09:18 AM
Thanks for the info guys! Ill bare it in mind when i completly savage the box arriving in a week (holding 2 master replica lightsabers btw) vader esb luke anh. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: Darth Matth on December 26, 2009, 12:04:55 PM
Than the PowerPix from Duracell might be dangerous for P4 sabers too.
They help brighten my stock MR/Hasbro sabers far better than the Duracell Ultra M3's, only they less a lot shorter in runtime.
I'm sure they give more Voltage too, although I did not messured them.
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: generalSkywalker on February 15, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
do the type of batteries afect brightness or is it just the amount of power they supplie?
Title: Re: Recommended Batteries for Lightsabers.
Post by: darth_call on February 15, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
do the type of batteries afect brightness or is it just the amount of power they supplie?
Yes and this has been discussed before, many times over, in many different topics, even in this topic, ....three different times that I see. You've been here long enough to know how to search. I would encourage you to do so.

I think this topic has run it's course.
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