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Title: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 09, 2005, 12:06:27 AM
Man I just changed my battery's in my Anakin for the 1st time (had for 2 weeks)
OMG i forgot how bright it actually was..

Then I looked at my Mace and thought,dam I used cheap battery's in my Mace I wonder how much better it will look with energizer's....Well end of story it looks SOOOOOOOOOO much brighter with new energizers!! WAY BETTER!

I was a cheap b****** and 1st and got generic batters for the Mace (do not do this,you sell yourself short)
Well I'm going to have to film another video now,the week battery's did not do the force fx justice in the one I upped today.

Thanks to Meridian for this excellent pic and example!!
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akaimpc.com%2Ffiles%2Fbattery.jpg&hash=b5cf5a4ce3fcb40aea24f0debdc71c3cc8c146d0)

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 09, 2005, 12:20:13 AM
YES YES YES the mace windu definately benefits from Fresh BATTERIES.
I have one that is going to be a suprise for my son.
But I opened it to test it and first I put in some substandard batteries and it made the
blade all spotted looking but once I put in the heavy Duty DURACELL MAX It Lit up perfectly.
Very nice with new batteries. I bet all the 6cell blades are sensitive like that.
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 09, 2005, 12:41:00 AM
"I put in some substandard batteries and it made the
blade all spotted looking but once I put in the heavy Duty DURACELL MAX It Lit up perfectly."


YUP!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: thinicer on July 09, 2005, 06:52:36 AM
Just an FYI, for those of you who think you may get even brighter luminosity if you get the ultra special Energizer titanium or lithium batteries, I would suggest you DON'T use them.

Master Replicas is specific about what kind of battery you are supposed to use with the Force FX: only akaline batteries. If you don't use akaline, you run the risk of damaging your Force FX, or severely shortening its lifespan.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 09, 2005, 07:05:32 AM
First time posting. Ordered myself a Darth Vader ESB FX saber... now, bout the batteries. I'll just have to say CR*P cause I bought Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries from Energizer for the Saber. Will those types of batteries spoil the saber like titanium or lithium batteries?

(I like this site a lot  ;) )
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: thinicer on July 09, 2005, 07:24:41 AM
I wonder if anybody ever reads the instruction manual that came with their FX sabers. :) It tells the owner what kind of batteries the saber should take.

MR recommends non-rechargeable akaline batteries, like Duracell, Duracell Ultra, and Energizer Max. MR doesn't specifically recommend those brands, I only mentioned them because they are so well known and it's common knowledge that they are the best on the market.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: psykE on July 09, 2005, 09:18:07 AM
Just an FYI, for those of you who think you may get even brighter luminosity if you get the ultra special Energizer titanium or lithium batteries, I would suggest you DON'T use them.

Master Replicas is specific about what kind of battery you are supposed to use with the Force FX: only akaline batteries. If you don't use akaline, you run the risk of damaging your Force FX, or severely shortening its lifespan.

Wow Thank you very much thinicer very good information didn't know about that one ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: grogTM on July 09, 2005, 09:43:30 AM
well my saber would arrive within next week...so a simple question....duracell or energizer? :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: thinicer on July 09, 2005, 09:50:53 AM
Going Duracell or Energizer is tantamount to choosing Pepsi or Coke. Just go with whichever you prefer, but I don't suggest drinking battery acid.  :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Farewell on July 09, 2005, 09:53:59 AM
Quote
Going Duracell or Energizer is tantamount to choosing Pepsi or Coke. Just go with whichever you prefer, but I don't suggest drinking battery acid.

And putting Pepsi or Coke into your saber isnt goo either  :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: psykE on July 09, 2005, 10:02:57 AM
Going Duracell or Energizer is tantamount to choosing Pepsi or Coke. Just go with whichever you prefer, but I don't suggest drinking battery acid.  :D
What about none and you want sprite
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: grogTM on July 09, 2005, 10:25:21 AM
maybe some "lambrusco" wine  could be better? and not in my lightsaber but in my largemouth :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on July 09, 2005, 11:34:34 AM
I can confirm that good batteries can make all the difference. I had inferior batteries in my Vader ESB i switched them for Duracell Plus last night and i couldn't believe the difference, doubly bright and loud. I was impressed by it with the bad batteries in it now I'm ecstatic. Moral of the story buy the best alkalies you can find its a small price to pay for the increased performance.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 09, 2005, 11:48:18 AM
today i'm gonna buy a 24 pack of batteries!!!
 ;D if they have any
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on July 09, 2005, 11:59:32 AM
Wow Eunice your a girl i was under the impression that it was all guys on this site. Nice to see girls getting into fx sabers as well. Makes me feel slightly less of a geek lol.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 09, 2005, 12:03:02 PM
hehehe... ;D
i think im the only girl at my school that likes star wars,
but i showed my friends pictures of the saber (that im gonna get)
and they want one too!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: grogTM on July 09, 2005, 12:07:55 PM
dark side is so attractive uh? :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on July 09, 2005, 12:09:26 PM
I formed my opinion on girls and fx sabers when i showed my sister my new Anakin ROTS, when i told her how much it cost she fell about laughing and called me a geek lol. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 09, 2005, 12:22:04 PM
hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 09, 2005, 12:52:06 PM
After being saddened by my blotchy blade from using NiMH batteries I went and got me some New Energizers and slapped em in my Luke ESB that I got yesterday and BLAMMO...no blotchiness!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 09, 2005, 01:04:52 PM
First time posting. Ordered myself a Darth Vader ESB FX saber... now, bout the batteries. I'll just have to say CR*P cause I bought Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries from Energizer for the Saber. Will those types of batteries spoil the saber like titanium or lithium batteries?

I wonder if anybody ever reads the instruction manual that came with their FX sabers.  It tells the owner what kind of batteries the saber should take.
MR recommends non-rechargeable akaline batteries, like Duracell, Duracell Ultra, and Energizer Max. MR doesn't specifically recommend those brands, I only mentioned them because they are so well known and it's common knowledge that they are the best on the market.

(I like this site a lot  ;) )

Hello There

It would appear this is aimed in my direction since I've mentioned ENERGIZER e TITANIUM batteries in
other threads as well as the Duracell MAX.

So let's clear things up shall we...

First- There is no such thing as a Titanium based battery, It is simply the "name" of Energizers Longest life
         battery just like the Duracell Ultra or MAX.

Second- I've also discussed the point of rechargeable batteries having "only 1.2volts" compared to the
             " Alkaline batteries having 1.5volts".
               And I have already stated else where the rechargeables are not meant for use the FX Sabers
               just as the manual points out.

Third- The comment about anybody reading the manual? Well I hope others do read it as well.
          Of course I've read it, and fully endorse it.
          Not only do I read manuals but I've written them for companies as well, and mostly
          for the products I've designed.

          Please understand I fully agree with you about Lithium,NIMH and even NICAD.

          Most rechargeable batteries perform at sub standard levels unless they are properly
          cared for which means they need to be condtioned to maintain there charge levels
          by cycling them (charge and discharge over and over before using in a device).
          
          And by the way lithiums have worked well in phones or other low drain devices,but in high
          drain devices they most certainly have caused problems, even exploding.

          I just want to make sure were all on the same page here when It comes to batteries
          and other electrical advise about these FX products.

          So we all agree that the we shold buy only the best most powerful Alkalines for our FXs in
          order to assure proper and fun operation. ;D

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 09, 2005, 01:08:55 PM
Hello there
I to am glad to see the girls into it.
As I've said before my wife wants one of the new ROTJ green sabers once
they are availabe.
And Since my son and I have our Blue and Red , I really have to make sure she gets her Green.
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 09, 2005, 01:10:57 PM
i liked star wars ever since i was 7  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 09, 2005, 01:13:54 PM
i liked star wars ever since i was 7  ;D


Oh, I got you beat I've liked star wars since I was four
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 09, 2005, 01:14:42 PM
hahaha  :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: thinicer on July 09, 2005, 01:16:53 PM
First- There is no such thing as a Titanium based battery, It is simply the "name" of Energizers Longest life
         battery just like the Duracell Ultra or MAX.

Meridian, I stand corrected. You are right, those batteries are definitely alkaline. But, it DOES use a titanium compound; it's not just simply a codename. :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 09, 2005, 01:18:45 PM
Hello there

That's wonderful to hear, and glad to have you on the boards.
Perhaps the other female Sith and Jedi will reveal them selves as well.
Or mabey they like the shroud of the unknown?

Lest we all not forget  Gentlemen...
Anakin would never have become Darth Vader if
it wasn't for His love of Padme.

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Temet Nosce on July 09, 2005, 03:24:03 PM

Lest we all not forget  Gentlemen...
Anakin would never have become Darth Vader if
it wasn't for His love of Padme.

always
MERIDIAN

So your saying women are the path to the dark side? ;)


I am using Rechargeable batteries, now I know I shouldn't, I will have to pick up some Alkaline batteries tommorow, I have a lot of people to impress with my saber at my 18th birthday party, so it will need to be in top condition!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 09, 2005, 03:44:26 PM
Yes that is what he is saying.


Women are the path to the Darkside!


....Every woman I know.... they are EEEEE-VIILLLLLLLLLLL!



okay, so I'm a little jaded.....just stay on my goodside ;) hee hee  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 09, 2005, 03:52:52 PM
Almost every war or beef in history have been over a Girl.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on July 09, 2005, 05:10:46 PM
So your saying that major conflicts like the world wars started over a girl. So Hitler stole Chamberlain's (British prime minister at the outbreak of WW2) bird and he said hey you outside now and thus began the bloodiest conflict in the history of man. I dont think so somehow.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 09, 2005, 05:22:50 PM
^No im talking about since the begining of history,some more recent wars have been a exception..
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 09, 2005, 06:54:48 PM
^No im talking about since the begining of history,some more recent wars have been a exception..

examples??
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DarthShlick on July 09, 2005, 07:17:24 PM
Dang, you guys got busy while I was away! I come back and there is all sorts of new stuff.
Thanx for the info on the batteries, I wasn't sure about mine or if I should look around the house for some. I guess I will go for some Energizers since they sell some at the store I work at.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: withoutlaw on July 09, 2005, 11:38:55 PM
Also, "Heavy Duty" batteries are crap. They drain right away and quickly become useless. It may seem like a good deal when you're comparing prices with alkaline batteries, but it's really just a waste of money.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Master Kepler on July 10, 2005, 01:01:32 AM
After being saddened by my blotchy blade from using NiMH batteries I went and got me some New Energizers and slapped em in my Luke ESB that I got yesterday and BLAMMO...no blotchiness!

YES!!  i had the same problem!! i use generic batteries becuase im cheap  ;) ha i shall pick up a 24 pack and piss them away in about 2 weeks since i play with mine so much  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 10, 2005, 09:05:44 PM
Today I bought a 36 pack of DURACELL batteries from COSTCO  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 10, 2005, 09:15:47 PM
Hello There

A 36 pack you say? How much? :o
That's great, Did you get the ultra or max type?
in anycase a 36 pack probably saves you at least $10.00 total in the long run.
Good find Darth.
What type of saber did you say you had on order?
If it is a newer 3 battery type then those batteries should last you a good long
while. ;)
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on July 10, 2005, 09:22:24 PM
It was $11.39 (I checked the reciept  ;D)
um... It just says DURACELL COPPERTOP
I ordered a Anakin RotS  ;D
Title: The Final Word On Batteries
Post by: Yoda on July 10, 2005, 10:35:15 PM
Hello everyone
I just emailed Bigdog a picture to post in this forum.
It will show you how the blade of a Mace Windu looks
with Bad Batteries v/s Good Batteries.
That way everyone can get a real visual on the difference,
once they are loaded up.

(Images are on my personal Harddrive not a server and
need to be manually uploaded or I would have done it my self
but don't worry BD will get to it quickly I'm sure)

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 10, 2005, 10:52:06 PM
Hello There
 :o 36 batteries for $12.00 that's an incredible deal, Costco Huh? ;)
A great deal for sure, as long as they are new they should do well.

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Ravage on July 10, 2005, 11:00:33 PM
36 batteries for 12$? that's a steal!
Title: Re: The Final Word On Batteries
Post by: Darth Ravage on July 10, 2005, 11:00:56 PM
good, can't wait to see the pics! ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 10, 2005, 11:38:47 PM
Meridian just submited this to show the difference good batterys can make..

(https://www.akaimpc.com/files/battery.jpg)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 10, 2005, 11:56:24 PM
Hello everyone

Thanks for the assistance with the Image Illbeats!

As you can all see the difference between a saber using
good or bad batteries can make a big difference in performance.

The Windu Blade was the best example of this for pictures.

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: psykE on July 11, 2005, 12:05:22 AM
That's with all the sabers right or is it just with the Mace Windu?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Abbot on July 11, 2005, 12:10:32 AM
^^all the sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 11, 2005, 12:11:58 AM
Yes battery power issues applies to all sabers!

I only used the Windu because it is easier to photograph
the spots as they show up as the different colors and not just
dark spots.
This contrast made the pictures better for the example so
everyone could see what we are actually experiencing.
Like the thread Says, don't skimp on the batteries!

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bigdog01 on July 11, 2005, 06:29:23 AM
Wow, this means that all those people who ever complained about the Mace have a "blotchy" blade just need to go and get some new batteries!

Excellent stuff Meridian!  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 11, 2005, 01:35:24 PM
That's correct, be sure and get some good Duracell max for those 6 cell models.
Now you will still see that little bit of red along the edge of the foam strips but
it's clear in the picts how this is affected by the blade brightness which is affected
by the battery power.
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 11, 2005, 01:37:22 PM
Thats great stuff! ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on July 11, 2005, 02:21:14 PM
New batteries = no more blotchiness??  Must get new (non-generic) batteries....  Thanks for the pics, Meridian!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 11, 2005, 02:25:15 PM
No problem everyone
as I am have extensive graphic and industrial design experienc
I will do what I can to help keep everyone as well informed as I
can about these and other similar products.
(with out stepping on any manufacturers toes of course)
always
MERIDIAN 8)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on July 12, 2005, 06:10:18 AM
As i have posted this in another topic but i feel it is very important and meridian advises that i post here also i will go into a little more detail about the problem i had.

i got my vader ANH 1 week ago.  i put in some cheapo batteries and the saber was great no problems at all.   I was showing my saber off to my brother and there seemed to be a dip in sound quality.  so i changed the batteries
(same Cheapo ones) and my brother said he'd used the same ones i had in his TV remote and they were rubbish.

So when i read this topic yesterday i hurried along and got some new duracell plus.  when i opened up the saber in one of the compartments there was a small amount of liquid, at first i thought it was condensation but after tasting i realised i was very wrong!  it was battery acid.  The other compartments seemed ok except for a small amount of white residue on the contacts.  i cleaned it up and put in the duracell's.  wow it was noticeably brighter and the movement sensors work on que almost every time (unless you make like a helicopter)

The moral of this story is "Dont skimp on batteries" and your saber will repay you instead of you repaying MR or target or whoever for a new saber.

Definately dont ignore the advice in this topic

 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on July 12, 2005, 06:17:09 AM
i recommend duracell and energizer
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on July 12, 2005, 06:30:55 AM
yeah i have always preferred duracell

remember when they had them with that little strip on them that told you what charge was left.  i haven't seen them like that for ages.

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on July 12, 2005, 06:38:14 AM
yup
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 12, 2005, 07:58:37 AM
I have tried different batteries and the ones I like the best are the Druacell MIAH 2300 rechargeable, I even called Master Replicas and they said that the only reason why they dont recommend them is the get stuck in the saber.  I have had no problems with my ESB Vader that I got as a wedding present from my wife. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 12, 2005, 08:39:05 AM
As i have posted this in another topic but i feel it is very important and meridian advises that i post here also i will go into a little more detail about the problem i had.

i got my vader ANH 1 week ago.  i put in some cheapo batteries and the saber was great no problems at all.   I was showing my saber off to my brother and there seemed to be a dip in sound quality.  so i changed the batteries
(same Cheapo ones) and my brother said he'd used the same ones i had in his TV remote and they were rubbish.

So when i read this topic yesterday i hurried along and got some new duracell plus.  when i opened up the saber in one of the compartments there was a small amount of liquid, at first i thought it was condensation but after tasting i realised i was very wrong!  it was battery acid.  The other compartments seemed ok except for a small amount of white residue on the contacts.  i cleaned it up and put in the duracell's.  wow it was noticeably brighter and the movement sensors work on que almost every time (unless you make like a helicopter)

The moral of this story is "Dont skimp on batteries" and your saber will repay you instead of you repaying MR or target or whoever for a new saber.

Definately dont ignore the advice in this topic

 

Wow, just wonder if you didn't change them!  You would have one bad lightsaber on your hands!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on July 12, 2005, 08:46:48 AM
tell me about it man

thats why its important people read and follow the advice.

i am also going to remove the batts when i am going away or not using it for a while.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 12, 2005, 08:52:49 AM
tell me about it man

thats why its important people read and follow the advice.

i am also going to remove the batts when i am going away or not using it for a while.

thats always a good idea :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 13, 2005, 08:44:45 AM
  when i opened up the saber in one of the compartments there was a small amount of liquid, at first i thought it was condensation but after tasting i realised i was very wrong!  it was battery acid. 
 

I hope that was a typo and you meant to type "testing"   
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 13, 2005, 08:48:32 AM
  when i opened up the saber in one of the compartments there was a small amount of liquid, at first i thought it was condensation but after tasting i realised i was very wrong!  it was battery acid. 
 

I hope that was a typo and you meant to type "testing"   

oh, you know how I love the taste of battery acid in the morning!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 13, 2005, 02:22:33 PM
mmmmm....but why does it BUUUUURRRRNNNNNNNNNNNN!!?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: grogTM on July 13, 2005, 03:57:13 PM
oh, you know how I love the taste of battery acid in the morning!

loooooooooooooooooooool :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 14, 2005, 10:16:01 AM
After reading this forum I have changed the batteries from my Duracell rechargeables to just Duracell coppertop bought 12 for 6.50 at walmart I couldnt find the Ultra or the M3 ones they did have the digital ultra but I think u use them for only cameras.  But to much of a difference I notice the blotches on the Vader ESB when I look really close and the Anakin I dont notice any.


PS.  For those of u who have the Anakin III does your saber sound like the speaker is blown.  Mine works fine power up and down all the clasing sounds but when swung its sounds like a blown speaker any thoughts
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on July 14, 2005, 10:21:45 AM
a little bit scratchy but not blown
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 14, 2005, 10:36:51 AM
I brought mine into work today and I just swung it around it is a bit scracthy but over all sounds ok.  I wish it made the pitch up and down like my Vader ESB
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 14, 2005, 06:53:10 PM
Yes I agree it's loud like the way a teeeter gets distorted by bass.
but i dosen't sound quite broken, just over or under powered maybe.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Night 100 on July 14, 2005, 07:07:41 PM
Exactly! ;D  Whats happening is when the sound is amplified it gets scratchier. :)  Another example is when you turn a speaker up to high.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Sindir on July 14, 2005, 09:06:22 PM
Yeah, fresh batteries are a must on these. I need some new ones as well.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 15, 2005, 06:15:10 AM
So it seems that Duracell coppertop works the best.  Can u use the Ultra digital ones in these.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 15, 2005, 08:43:33 AM
The Duracell ones for the Digital Cameras I mean
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 15, 2005, 09:10:25 PM
Yes, you can.  As long as its a 1.5v per battery you are fine.


I have the Energizer E2 Lithium High-Drain Electronic batteries in my Luke and it works AWESOMELY!


..hhmmmm...is that even a word?...awesomely?  ehh oh well hahahha
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 15, 2005, 11:25:48 PM
Yes Both the Duracell "ULTRA" and Energizer "E2"
flat out work the best.

Hmmm mabey once we setup a shopping cart we
should sell batteries from here as well?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: LEW1Z on July 16, 2005, 10:09:19 AM
I agree DURACELL!!!!!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Kai Paedwen on July 16, 2005, 06:21:36 PM
Buggar - Have just read the bit about not using re-chargeable batteries - and I had just bought 8 rechargeable batteries and a battery charger off of ebay to use with my force-fx saber! Oh well, I'll find use for it, looks like Im going to have to go find some Duracell batteries off there as well.
I just don't want to look at my bank balance next month...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 16, 2005, 09:02:33 PM
Find them here online

http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MX1500AA&Category_Code=bt
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 17, 2005, 07:41:20 AM
Just asking ... why aren't rechargeables recommended? will it damage the saber? (a logical explanation would be fine, not "because the manual says so") ...  ???
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 17, 2005, 12:25:45 PM
If you would read through the 6 pages of this thread
you will find the logocal in depth explanation regarding
the fact that...;)

RECHARGEABLES only put out 1.2 volts each.
ALKALINES put out 1.5 volts each.

I do suggest reading the thread in it's entierty as it will
most likely answer all your battery questions and concerns.

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 17, 2005, 12:35:22 PM
Yup, I read all that. But I was referring to rechargeable ALKALINES. Surely they put out 1.5v doesn't it?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: thinicer on July 17, 2005, 12:57:56 PM
Rechargeable Alkalines do indeed put out 1.5 volts, but they are a relatively new technology......I think. I would call MR and ask them if they are okay to use.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 17, 2005, 01:10:31 PM
From my understanding on those so called "rechargeable Alkalines"
each time you recharge them they loose some power and effectiveness.
This is mostly because they are being force charged!
The 1.5 they claim is only when new and it drops signifigantly,
EACH TIME YOU CHARGE THEM!

Sure Rayovac and a few others that are replacing them are being made
but as I've said and as MR manual states.
Recharegables are not up to the level they should be to be recommended
for the FX sabers.

USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!

If you really want to know more go ahead and check them out here.
http://store.sundancesolar.com/raybat.html
http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=sundancesolar&query=duracell+rechargeable&x=24&y=8

I CAN NOT RECOMMEND RECHARGEABLE AAs, Of Any Kind,
due to such power/voltage inconsistancies!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on July 17, 2005, 01:58:24 PM
ive never heard or rechargeable alkalines,but personally i wouldny recomment any rechargeable batteries
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 17, 2005, 05:07:25 PM
Man, this topic just won't die!  I thougt we went through everything! :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 17, 2005, 05:29:30 PM
okay....so yall are saying Not to use rechargeable batteries??












ahhaha...just kidding

I still can't believe for the past 3 years of me using rechargeables that I have been missing out on the TRUE performance of my FX sabers.   But now it is time to make up for lost fx time   *runs outside and swings fx saber around like a mad sith*
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mr.Griffin on July 17, 2005, 05:39:19 PM
Until you hit something :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 17, 2005, 06:48:32 PM
From my understanding on those so called "rechargeable Alkalines"
each time you recharge them they loose some power and effectiveness.
This is mostly because they are being force charged!
The 1.5 they claim is only when new and it drops signifigantly,
EACH TIME YOU CHARGE THEM!

Sure Rayovac and a few others that are replacing them are being made
but as I've said and as MR manual states.
Recharegables are not up to the level they should be to be recommended
for the FX sabers.

USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!

If you really want to know more go ahead and check them out here.
http://store.sundancesolar.com/raybat.html
http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=sundancesolar&query=duracell+rechargeable&x=24&y=8

I CAN NOT RECOMMEND RECHARGEABLE AAs, Of Any Kind,
due to such power/voltage inconsistancies!

Thanks for the explanation, Meridian. Still waiting for Vader ESB, will get Energizers as soon as it arrives in August.Can't wait to turn it on!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Bandit-Jedi on July 17, 2005, 07:19:44 PM
Until you hit something :D

funny that you say that....



last night I got kinda crazy in my living room and took out a decorative chain pull hanging from the ceiling fan....doh!

no damage to my fx(not even a scratch), but the chain pull knob thingy....well, may it rest in pieces
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on July 20, 2005, 05:56:47 AM
I am sure that I am not the only one who has spent alot of money on finding the right batteries for these toys.  So far I have used the Duracell rechargable NIMH, Duracell coppertop and as of yesterday the Energizer E2 Titainium batteries.  The rechargables  worked ok but now I have batteries for my remotes and black light, the coppertop worked a little better but in my Anakin the hum of the saber was very low and produced a very cracky motion swing noise also I ntocied some bloches on the blade.  I have found that the Energizer E2 and the Durcacell Ultra work the best.  I have found that the E2 produced a great blade color, although some bloches were noticed when viewed up close and at an extreme angle but are normal in my ESB vader ,and a clear and very clean blade in my Anakin ROTS. The hum in both is very prominent and loud and the swing noise in the Anakin in very crisp.  I recommend to anyone who is having problems with these saber go out get the E2 I paid 4.95 for a 8 pack at Walmart, and there are websites that have them very cheap.  FX SABERS.COM ROCK
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: saberlover on July 20, 2005, 10:21:08 AM
Quote
last night I got kinda crazy in my living room and took out a decorative chain pull hanging from the ceiling fan....doh!

Thats funny! Same thing happened to me last night.. I cursed the xxx fan chain out last night, and I vowed to remove the fan and replace it with recessed lighting..

And I shall keep my vow too! >:(

 ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on July 21, 2005, 01:53:06 AM
hey guys, im at the airport right now,nd i bought a package of 36 Duracell aa batteries at 11$
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 21, 2005, 02:10:51 AM
I'd hope they were the Duracell Ultra for Digital High Drain Devices.
They basically have more "mah"that's milliamphours.
I believe the difference last time I looked was the
ultra is at 1500mah and standar coppertops at 1000mah.

Those Energizer e2 titaniums are Just as good and even better
in some respect as some of our members have felt.

Yet the e2 tends to be more expensive, and not as common.
I have e2 in my mini EL sabers and FX Gen 3 Anakin and VADER
But the Mace runs on Duracell Ultras.

It all depends on which of these two batteries is available at the
time and on sale be cause they both work great.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 25, 2005, 08:10:16 AM
Recently there is this Panasonic OXYRIDE alkaline batteries which claim to last longer than normal alkalines for the same cost. It is also stated that the initial voltage is 1.7 (which i assume will drop to 1.5 in time).
http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/batteries/oxyride.asp

Will this high voltage damage any components in the lightsaber? Or will it actually make it perform better?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 25, 2005, 03:59:08 PM
Now there's a great question
A "SLIGHTLY" higher voltage usually won't hurt
most electronics and if any thing in the Sabers
case it could just make the blade a bit brighter.
And I do mean slightly

In any case think of the voltages like so...
The 3 cell models
1.5 x 3 Batteries = 4.5 volts
1.7 x 3 Batteries = 5.1 volts
the difference of .6 volts ::)
 "relatively insignifigant"

The 6 cell models
1.5 x 6 Batteries = 9.0 volts
1.7 x 6 Batteries = 10.2 volts
the difference of 1.2 volts :o
 "almost another full battery at 1.5 could be signifigant"

Or it just won't turn on. (In that case don't use them)

Hopefully they are voltage protected to some extent
with some sort of thermal shut down"FET" or simply
"RVP" Reverse Voltage Protection.
But I dont know what they are actually using inside
with out cracking open the LED blade insert base.

I would definately ask MR before using them
in either model.

And if you do ask them, Please tell us what they say.
and if you use the batteries tell us how they work.

Good luck ;)
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Kai Paedwen on July 25, 2005, 05:14:27 PM
Hey guys,
I live in the UK and my mace saber should be with me within the next few days (excited!!!). Are Duracell plus the best batteries to use - they seem to be the best I can find in the UK.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 25, 2005, 06:34:36 PM
Hello There
Why yes Duracell Plus will work fine The Duracell Ultra
and The Energizer e2 seem to be a little better over all
than the Duracell But only the Energizer"e2"
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 26, 2005, 07:33:15 AM
In any case think of the voltages like so...
The 3 cell models
1.5 x 3 Batteries = 4.5 volts
1.7 x 3 Batteries = 5.1 volts
the difference of .6 volts ::)
 "relatively insignifigant"

The 6 cell models
1.5 x 6 Batteries = 9.0 volts
1.7 x 6 Batteries = 10.2 volts
the difference of 1.2 volts :o
 "almost another full battery at 1.5 could be signifigant"

Besides, the Panasonic Oxyride Alkalines only have a temporary 1.7v. however, I'm not too keen on trying them out on my lightsaber till I get some answers. (who'd risk it?). I will give Energizer e2's a shot!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: inthesownd on July 28, 2005, 01:32:53 PM
question:
am i getting the full effect of my fx's by using 'regular' duracell?...or do the ultras  provide more than  just a longer duration?
thanx.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on July 30, 2005, 12:26:45 AM
When I switched from regular duracell to
duracell ultra in the mace windu, the blade
was noticeably brighter.

And Yes both types batteries were new.

It appears the 6 cells are more sensitive to voltage,
that's been my experience.

However to technically look at it...
The Duracell ultra is a 1500 milliamphour battery
The Duracell coppertop is a 1000 milliamphour battery
Typically a higher level of mah allows for a slightly
higher initial charge.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: inthesownd on July 30, 2005, 06:34:31 AM
 ;D thanx MERIDIAN.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on July 30, 2005, 09:09:37 AM
;D thanx MERIDIAN.

Most definitely!  ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 01, 2005, 04:01:56 AM
Hi meridian

as posted earlier i have changed batteries to duracell plus for my ANH vader and it works great.

i have also recently ordered an ANI ROTS and wanted to use the best batteries possible.  so shopping the other day i picked up a pack of energizer ultimate - see link

http://www.energizer.co.uk/en/ultimate/default.htm

Do you think these will be better than the duracell plus or should i get a pack of e2 see link

http://www.energizer.co.uk/en/e2_lithium/default.htm

what benefit if any do you think they will have over the ultimate as on the website it speaks mainly of long lasting power, whereas the ultimate is the most powerful alkaline.

Thanks as always for your help Meridian
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on August 01, 2005, 09:23:31 AM
I have an idea how about Master Replicas makes their own batteries for these light sabers.  That way we won't have to spend so much time and money on experimenting with batteries and see if one battery or the other is better.  Sorry I am tired and cranky today LOL.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Master Kepler on August 01, 2005, 09:14:17 PM
Someone who has all the sabers, or most of them, should post a table that has a list of the sabers and the best batteries to use for them. ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on August 01, 2005, 10:37:15 PM
Hi meridian

as posted earlier i have changed batteries to duracell plus for my ANH vader and it works great.

i have also recently ordered an ANI ROTS and wanted to use the best batteries possible.  so shopping the other day i picked up a pack of energizer ultimate - see link

http://www.energizer.co.uk/en/ultimate/default.htm

Do you think these will be better than the duracell plus or should i get a pack of e2 see link

http://www.energizer.co.uk/en/e2_lithium/default.htm

what benefit if any do you think they will have over the ultimate as on the website it speaks mainly of long lasting power, whereas the ultimate is the most powerful alkaline.

Thanks as always for your help Meridian


I have not yet used the Lithium based e2 Energizers.
I don't know if they would offer a strong benefit over the Titanium e2.
And they are signifigantly more expensive from what I've seen.

I may try them once my e2 titaniums run out  ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on August 03, 2005, 03:38:52 AM
Just asking. Is it damaging to mix Duracell Ultras and Energizer E2's in an FX saber? It seems that Duracell is much cheaper than Energizers. Are the performance the same? If there is no difference, then might as well go for the Duracells.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 03, 2005, 05:15:02 AM
The energizer ultimates (the most powerfull alkaline energizer make) that i have in my anakin produce an awesome effect.  the duracell ultras i have in my vader also produce a great effect.  i bought a pack of 4 energizers for about £3.50 which is expensive but as my ani only takes three i will be getting another few packs over the coming weeks so i can use energizer ultimates in my ANH vader also.  i definately would not mix two different types.(i think it says this in the instructions too).

Read the rest of this topic if you havenot already done so.

If you are still in doubt buy the most expensive you can afford, but defiantely Don't skimp on batterys!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on August 03, 2005, 07:44:09 AM
DEFINITELY don't skimp on batteries! I took some rechargeables JUST to test the sabers in the shop to see that everything was working. So on the way back, I got some E2 Energizers.

With the rechargeable (fully charged alkalines) the glow was alright. The moment I changed to E2's... MAN!! There is a SIGNIFICANT difference ... well ... not so significant to those who don't care anyway...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on August 03, 2005, 06:15:30 PM
I wouldn't mix Energizer and Duracell any more than
I'd mix Synthetic oil with crude oil :D

The e2 by Energizer have different mah capacitites than
the duracell ultras.
It's better to run a "matched" set of batteries. ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gdie Master on August 04, 2005, 10:09:20 AM
yea guys uhm i jus got my ANAKIN ROTS yesturday and i put fresh "Durcaell Coppertops" in it and it seems theres a slight dark spot in the middle of the blade. I dont know if its my saber thats the problem or the batteries. i saw the pic with the MACE saber but its not that bad. its jus like 3 lil dark spots.

they're not noticeable when you play with it or anything. but when you lay it down on a couch and walk back a few steps you can see it.

any thoughts?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: sycor on August 04, 2005, 10:58:10 AM
It's just hard for me to justify buying anything higher than Energizer Max.  The e2's are just way to expensive.  But compared to the Panasonic ones I bought at the Dollar Store I can tell an improvement.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on August 04, 2005, 11:02:25 AM
yea guys uhm i jus got my ANAKIN ROTS yesturday and i put fresh "Durcaell Coppertops" in it and it seems theres a slight dark spot in the middle of the blade. I dont know if its my saber thats the problem or the batteries. i saw the pic with the MACE saber but its not that bad. its jus like 3 lil dark spots.

they're not noticeable when you play with it or anything. but when you lay it down on a couch and walk back a few steps you can see it.

any thoughts?



That dark spot is where the 64 strings of LED's are connected, my Vader ESB has the same thing its just the way it was put together, and yes I did walk back and can notice it myself try the Titanium E2 it makes it less noticeable.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on August 04, 2005, 11:10:59 AM
yea guys uhm i jus got my ANAKIN ROTS yesturday and i put fresh "Durcaell Coppertops" in it and it seems theres a slight dark spot in the middle of the blade. I dont know if its my saber thats the problem or the batteries. i saw the pic with the MACE saber but its not that bad. its jus like 3 lil dark spots.

they're not noticeable when you play with it or anything. but when you lay it down on a couch and walk back a few steps you can see it.

any thoughts?

its only when 2 led wires connects nothing to worry abt ,every anakin rots has these dark spots
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: master5723 on August 19, 2005, 09:51:20 PM
Has anyone had any problems in addition to spotted lighting that resulted from low batteries?  I noticed in my Ep 2 Anakin blade seemed to get a bit froggy and my newer vader saber also acts up (does not power up and down properly, odd noises) when the batteries are getting low.  This is in addition to the spotted lights on the new vader saber. 

Thanks
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on August 19, 2005, 10:25:40 PM
Hello there and Welcome to the boards

I know that once the batteries start to die out the
Blade looks spotty and the power up and down doesn't
react as fast.
It's best to replace them so you don't cause any power
failure problems.
To low of juice makes any elect component work improperly ;)

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on August 19, 2005, 10:29:45 PM
Has anyone had any problems in addition to spotted lighting that resulted from low batteries? I noticed in my Ep 2 Anakin blade seemed to get a bit froggy and my newer vader saber also acts up (does not power up and down properly, odd noises) when the batteries are getting low. This is in addition to the spotted lights on the new vader saber.

Thanks

Froggy?  I might be missing something, but what would that be like?  I haven't experienced anything wrong with my saber (Mace) from low batteries other than a very blotchy and pale blade.  The thing that actually surprised me with mine was how the power up and down still worked well even though the blade was so weakly lit when it turned on.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 23, 2005, 03:51:29 AM
just to let you all know

energizer ultimates work great in both my sabers now

they are expensive at just under £4.00 for 4, but i got a pack of 8 on ebay for £2.99 so absolute bargain.

anyhow they have improved the brightness of my vader ANH no end (there was nothing wrong with it in the first place) it just looks more evil in the dark now.

my anakin has ultimates in it since new and i wont be swapping for any others.

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: grogTM on August 23, 2005, 06:14:15 AM
I'm using duracell ultra M3 (nearly 5€ for a 4-battery pack) and they are great! my 3 sabers are very brilliant
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 23, 2005, 01:14:41 PM
yep,

according to the website and ebay the Energizer ultimate is the same as the duracell M3.

i'm really pleased with the performance of the batteries and my sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: master5723 on August 23, 2005, 08:52:40 PM
Meridian thanks for the warm welcome, much appreciated.  Thanks for the information.

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on August 24, 2005, 06:56:37 PM
I went and bought some Duracell M3 Ultra.  I was using the Energizer E2 Titanium.  I have found that even with fresh batteries, the E2 run out rather fast meaning you see blotches after about 3 weeks playing with the saber everyday for about 15 min each day, also I bought the Ultra at Walmart an 8 pack cost about 6.50 so I bought two and replaced both my Anakin III and Vader ESB, both sabers look bright and beautiful, and the motion sensors on both work perfectly with every swing.  I am glad I found these cause after alot of research and testing with many kinds of batteries I think I finally found the best battery.  Once my ROTJ LED arrives I know I am going out and buying these batteries.  I thought some of you out there would share in this experience and the trial and error of these sabers
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 31, 2005, 06:30:40 AM
energizer reckon that their ultimates have a longer life span than any other battery, obviously they will say this, does anyone else use energizer ultimates or am i on my own.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on August 31, 2005, 06:32:41 AM
I have looked for the Energizer ultimates but I cant find them.  So far I have found the E2 Titanium Lithium and the Duracell Ultra M3 and Energizer Max
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on August 31, 2005, 06:37:40 AM
try ebay i think the seller id is "saraceninternational".  i have seen a buy one get one free for them in woolworths today, £3.49 for four so 8 batteries. not bad but still cheaper on ebay i think
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on September 02, 2005, 01:39:54 AM
Remember I brought up the issue on Panasonic OXYRIDE batteries that give an initial voltage of 1.7?? Well, just yesterday I was at the mall and I read the small print of those batteries. It says to NOT use it in toys with bulbs... so that includes FX Sabers. (I was so close to buying those batteries)...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 02, 2005, 04:40:53 AM
Ok, my Ani ROTS should arrive in the next few days and I was planning on using Energizer Ultimate . I have read all 9 pages and they seem to be a good choice.

This might be a stupid question so please forgive me  :-[ : I saw the pics of the Windu saber with old vs new batteries and was wondering if repeated use of old batteries damages the sabers.
I was thinking that playing with the sabers using old batteries again and again might put undue stress on the LEDs. Would this happen or would the batteries just die in time leaving no harmfull affects on the saber?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 02, 2005, 05:29:21 AM
I don't think that using near depleted batteries could do any damage in the shortterm but i wouldn't recommend using them for any length of time. All electronics are designed to operate on a steady uninterrupted power source, although there are safe guards in place to stop an erratic power source from causing damage. My advice when the sound begins to get weaker and the light dims replace the batteries.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 02, 2005, 06:11:02 AM
Sound advice Scottish Jedi but I was more wondering as to the cause of my Ani AOTC being so crap.
Other people have still got this saber and it still works fine but mine doesn't. Perhaps I should replace the batteries and give it a try again (when I bought it I may have scaved batteries from around the house  :P).

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 02, 2005, 06:27:27 AM
Definitely put the best quality batteries you can in it and you should see a marked improvement.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 02, 2005, 06:46:09 AM
I agree
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 02, 2005, 12:14:29 PM
does any1 else find out thar duracell plus is much better than energizer max???
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on September 02, 2005, 12:21:48 PM
i have used duracell max in my sabers.  i am now using energizer ultimates, i wont be changing back.  hope that helps.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 02, 2005, 12:32:36 PM
Good to se you back trexy  :)

have used duracell max in my sabers.  i am now using energizer ultimates, i wont be changing back.  hope that helps.

I look forward to trying the difference when my Ani arrives. I know little about battery technology, however and probably wouldn't understand why there is a difference in the first place  :-[
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on September 02, 2005, 12:43:56 PM
nor do i understand the tech fox.  but when i swapped them in both sabers ( i test fired both, a load of times with the old batteries in so i would be sure to notice a difference, then i switched and fired again).  the difference was more recognisable in my Vader ANH than my ANI Rots but i think youll be surprised. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 02, 2005, 05:29:50 PM
I have three different types of Duracell's in my sabers (not mixed). Duracell Procell, Duracell Plus and Duracell Ultra M3, I also have some Energizer Ultra + to try in the future. To be honest there probably is a difference in the brightness in the sabers i just haven't noticed. I should really do some tests to try and figure out what works best but I'm lazy so i will just leave them how they are and replace batteries as they run out  ;D.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 03, 2005, 04:36:20 AM
ther is a difference in the brightness but also in the quality of the sounds

Good to se you back trexy  :)

Good to see u back 2 Dark fox ;)

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 03, 2005, 10:41:31 AM
I bought batteries today in preparation for the big day. I couldn't find any Energizer Ultimates so I bought Duracell Ultra M3s instead.

Batteries: Check

Lightsaber: uh,uh
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: FX padawan on September 03, 2005, 10:43:06 AM
I bought batteries today in preparation for the big day. I couldn't find any Energizer Ultimates so I bought Duracell Ultra M3s instead.

Batteries: Check

Lightsaber: uh,uh

You wont have any worries with those. Thats what I use and I cant see any blotchiness on my windu, the anakin is beaming and the vaders are menacingly bright. You will love  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 03, 2005, 11:07:06 AM
You wont have any worries with those. Thats what I use and I cant see any blotchiness on my windu, the anakin is beaming and the vaders are menacingly bright. You will love 

Thanks FX padawan  :). I'm excited already. I will still try and find some Energizers just to see if there really is a difference plus I'll need as many as I can get once my FX arrives!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 03, 2005, 11:08:54 AM
So far duracell ultras are the best
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: The Apprentice on September 03, 2005, 11:14:09 AM
So far duracell ultras are the best

For £3.50 for 4 they'd better be!  ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: FX padawan on September 03, 2005, 11:21:24 AM
So far duracell ultras are the best

For £3.50 for 4 they'd better be!  ;)

A case of quality over quantity  :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 03, 2005, 12:10:46 PM
A saying comes to mind "you cant get something for nothing". Duracell are expensive but in my opinion are the best. I would actually like to know what makes one battery better than another technology wise, now thats a fully loaded question  ;D.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: ChenneySkywalker08 on September 06, 2005, 01:09:44 PM
Yeah I use Duracell's and I agree the quality can not be beat.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 06, 2005, 01:16:55 PM
Yeah I use Duracell's and I agree the quality can not be beat.

yea, the quality is a lot better than the energizers
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 12, 2005, 08:44:22 AM
I thought this topic died a while ago
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on September 12, 2005, 09:57:47 AM
I really like changing the old batteries with the new ones! I just replaced the drained-out duracell ultras from the vader esb and it just blows my mind to see how bright it is with fresh batteries!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 12, 2005, 10:08:13 AM
i will be posting comparisation pics of my anakin with low battery , nd new batteries
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 12, 2005, 10:13:53 AM
Hey Trexy make sure you show which batteries are with the saber
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on September 12, 2005, 10:15:56 AM
Just some (pretty useless) information...

With drained out batteries, the Vader ESB performs better than the Anakin. The blade is not as bright, but it is still a solid colour. However, with the same batteries, the Anakin ROTS blade is extremely blotchy!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 12, 2005, 10:46:17 AM
Hey Trexy make sure you show which batteries are with the saber

off course ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 13, 2005, 09:28:28 AM
Excellant
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Crescent on September 13, 2005, 02:05:19 PM
I have read the whole thing, but I still have a question.

Are the energizer e2 lithium's safe? because they are not alkaline.

I read that the Duracell Ultra Digital have 1500 mAh, and the Energizer e2 are 2900 mAh. If they were safe, that would be a huge improvement.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 13, 2005, 06:06:50 PM
I personally like the Duracell Ultra M3 I have not tried the lithium from Energizer, but I have spent way to much money on experimenting with the batteries.  I have had them in both my ESB and ROTS sabers for about 3 weeks they both still look great and sound wonderful even after playing with them for about 1 hr average each day.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on September 15, 2005, 11:57:41 PM
Just a thought: I wouldn't consider lithiums dangerous, it's just that with 1.2v for each battery, it just won't make the saber perform to its full potential. So that can take the fun out of things...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on September 16, 2005, 12:49:26 PM
The 1500mah and 2900mah have nothing to do with power output. They will both have about the same voltage. The mah or milliamp hour rating of a battery tells you it's total capacity. One battery has a mah capacity of 1500 and one has 2900. The 1500 will give you just as much power as the 2900 but it will last about half as long.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 17, 2005, 05:40:29 PM
Well I will say this...
Eventhough those rules are "supposed" to apply I've always seen
batteries that are higher in capacity put out  a "slightly" higher voltage.
So when you combine them they put out more over all.

A 1.5 volt battery right? Not so...

Ex: 8 Energizer "standard" batteries put about 11.5 - 12 volts into any of my transmitters.
If I swap them out for Energizer e2 Batteries I consistently get 12 volts and over.

The ability to "retain" more charging power goes hand in hand
with the ability to produce or discharge more power. ;)


always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on September 17, 2005, 09:17:19 PM
Well...From my experience in racing R/C cars with really hot battery packs the voltage stays consistent for longer through the discharge cycle and then dumps right at the end to being almost totally flat with the newer, better cells. The older style batteries with lower capacities seem to peak at around the same voltage but they kind of slowly drain off in a more linear way and gradually lose their punch over the whole run rather than being great through the whole run and dumping right after. Also, the better batteries, NIMH, Lithium Ion and such have much better reserves, as you mentioned, so they perform better under load than an alkaline. an alkaline starts out at 1.5v but when you put a strain on it it will quikly drop down to 1.1v or even lower but will climb back up gradually as it rests. The higher capacity but lower voltage(1.2v for AA rechargeables), modern formula batteries will keep on chugging at 1.2v through tremendous loads and then dump right at the end and go flat in a big way. That may be why you see higher voltages with your TX because those newer batteries have a deep well to draw from and hold the voltage at a better level for longer under load. But I'll bet when they go, they go big and fast....Batteries are almost an arcane science. A little bit technology and a little bit voodoo. They do so much to squeeze performance out of them in our digital world that some of the trade secrets are treated like a national security issue. Some work great in certain applications and totally suck in others. It doesn't always seem to matter whether you buy the best or not. Sometimes a cheap rayovac alkaline will work better in a certain application than an expensive next gen Lithium Ion. It's kind of a crap shoot sometimes and batteries also differ from batch to batch so you may get a great set one time and go back for more to find the next batch sucks. I guess everyone's real world experience is different because almost every device we use them in is different. I haven't found a way to talk myself into buying those expensive cells yet. I just go to Sam's club and buy the big packs of energizer AA's and when I see my performance starting to fall, I dump them into my kids' toys and drop some new ones into my equipment(read FX Saber) and everyone's happy. It's amazing how long a battery I consider unusable for my purposes will last and perform great in my kids' toys.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 18, 2005, 05:15:32 PM
Yes you'd be correct on that...
when the better energizer or duracell batts start to dump they dump off quicker.
How ever I find that they last longer when shut off for extended periods as well
so it is an interesting trade off. :-\
But they aren't that much more expensive for the extra brightness were talking
a dollar or two extra at best for an 8 pack ::)

Well to each his own ;)

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on September 18, 2005, 06:25:43 PM
Hmmm....I tried to buy some of the next gen energizers at Sam's the other day(after reading up on them here) and it was like $20 for 16 cells. I can get 48 regular energizers for $16. Was I buying the wrong ones? What is the name of the cells your getting for only a couple bucks more?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 19, 2005, 12:24:39 PM
I just changed the batteries i took the pics.
will post them 2moro or after 2moro
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 19, 2005, 09:38:38 PM
Hmmm....I tried to buy some of the next gen energizers at Sam's the other day(after reading up on them here) and it was like $20 for 16 cells. I can get 48 regular energizers for $16. Was I buying the wrong ones? What is the name of the cells your getting for only a couple bucks more?

Thanks!

Hey there; It's the "Energizer e2 titaniums" that I use or the "Duracell ultra for digital devices"
My Wife finds the good deal on batteries for me :D

I too feel Lithiums are way too expensive for what you'll get out of them.
always
MERIDIAN

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 20, 2005, 06:27:01 AM
I agree that the Lithiums are way to expensive I have been using the Duracell Ultra M3 they work great but I am wondering if there is a difference between the Ultra M3 and the Ultra for digital devices any thoughts, I think they are about the same but I dont know
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 20, 2005, 03:47:38 PM
Didn't take the whole battery issue seriously until i opened my second Anakin ROTS put a fresh set of Duracell M3's in it and compared it to my first Anakin ROTS which had 3 month old set of inferior Duracell's in it. The difference was unbelievable, i will be making sure i have fresh batteries in my sabers from now on.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on September 20, 2005, 10:08:56 PM
yea me too
i just put fresh batteries in my saber and its so bright now!
im sorry if this question was asked before but does DURACELL ULTRA make the saber look more brighter than regular DURACELLs or does it make the saber look regularly bright longer?
(does that question make sense??)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Master Elwan on September 21, 2005, 12:49:57 AM
I'm pretty sure it depends on how much you use your saber. I've read that if you keep it shut off for long periods of time, the Ultras last just as long as regular, but make the saber brighter. However, I have also heard that if you use your saber a lot (every day) then the Ultras tend not to last as long as regular. Still, I say the brightness is worth it.  8)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 21, 2005, 05:48:33 PM
Is it me or do batteries last longer and provide a brighter blade in the ESB Vader than the Anakin ROTS, it seems that the Anakin sucks the battery power out quicker
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterHorn on September 21, 2005, 06:23:29 PM
Is it me or do batteries last longer and provide a brighter blade in the ESB Vader than the Anakin ROTS, it seems that the Anakin sucks the battery power out quicker
Same here I just put new bats in my anakin 5 days ago and its looking a little dull now
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 21, 2005, 06:32:41 PM
I wonder why that is does the Anakin have more electronics that the Vader, does the blue blade require more juice than the red, these are things I need to know
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 21, 2005, 06:50:21 PM
That's a good observation everyone, and on that point I'd
add that the Anakin has the most sound effects, so it could
very well be that it pulls a little more juice than the Vader.
Not to mention it's slightly louder than the Vader as well, so
these would all be attributed to using more power. ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 21, 2005, 07:03:15 PM
Thanks Meridian I even switch the batteries from my Vader to the Anakin and it seems to increase the brightness by a little, by that I mean I dont see the blotches I do when the juice is going out.  The previous batteries I used in the Anakin I put into something else like a black light that I never use then I replace the batteries in the saber with those from the black light and the blade and sounds and better, I guess playing with it everyday does no good cause the juice runs out quicker, but I cant help it these things are so much fun  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 22, 2005, 02:03:28 PM
No problem :D
I know how it is... everytime I walk by them I turn them on just to hear it
even if I don't pick it up.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 22, 2005, 05:06:17 PM
I also got that plastic cleaner you recommended it works ok some scratches remain but it makes the blade look better, I guess after a few times cleaning it will get better but when you duel with them you are bond to get scratches on the blade.
Title: Batteries
Post by: sabermaster on September 25, 2005, 02:54:23 PM
What kind of batteries do you guys use in your fx? I usually use energizer and it seems to work great.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on September 25, 2005, 08:04:57 PM
I use duracell ultras (m3). It is slightly cheaper than Energizer e2's and there is a bar where you can check the amount of charge in the battery...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on September 27, 2005, 04:37:54 PM
I tried those new e2's and against regular duracell's and don't notice much of a difference
A little bit brighter but not by much

Still, oh well I have the best for when Anakin and Luke get here
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on September 27, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
I have noticed that the Duracell Ultra M3 work really good in the Vader ESB.  The Anakin st
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 27, 2005, 04:59:02 PM
Duracell M3's are the best Ive used so far, I would recommend them to anyone. Normally i wouldn't spend that amount of money on batteries but for my Sabers their worth it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on September 27, 2005, 06:52:50 PM
i just use the regular duracell batteries and they work pretty good too
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Pfc Joker on September 28, 2005, 07:08:47 AM
I never really took the batterys that serious untill Meridan reminded me that rechargeables are only 1.2v a cell......doh!

Around this one horse town the best batterys you can get are the Energizer E2 so thats what I've been using for the last three weeks or so.

When I get a chance to pick up some top-of-the-line Duracells I'll buy those and try em out.

But like the thread says....don't skimp on batterys!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 28, 2005, 09:30:46 AM
I just bought energizer e2,
for some strange reason i cant find any Duracell ultra
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: sabermaster on September 28, 2005, 05:27:57 PM
The duracell never seemed to work that great for me.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 28, 2005, 06:05:48 PM
I just bought energizer e2,
for some strange reason i cant find any Duracell ultra

Well Personally I like those e2s!!!
but if your looking for Duracells here they are on line for a great price
http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MX1500AA&Category_Code=bt
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DarthShlick on September 28, 2005, 08:17:45 PM
Dude, heck with those D-cells! Use the Energizers, I personally (also) love them more, the saber just seems to glow brighter. And we all love that depressing little drum banging rabbit... ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 28, 2005, 08:27:07 PM
The battle rages on Duracell vs Energizer who knows, I don't, Ive tried both and cant really see a difference so i buy whichever brand is cheapest in the store I'm in.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DarthShlick on September 28, 2005, 08:45:47 PM
I dunno man, I have had several instances where Duracell's would rust open inside whatever I had them in. I have been using both kinds for years, the energizers just seem better, can't really put my finger on it, but they just are.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on September 28, 2005, 10:17:10 PM
I'd like to have seen a Star Wars Trailer with the energizer bunny
go rolling by right in between mace windu and jango fett at the Gonosis
battle scene! Then having everyone stop and look as he rolls off and twirls an
FX Lightsaber on his way out ;D







Hey I've been in Advertising for a long time so don't hold it against me... ::)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on September 29, 2005, 06:38:02 AM
I generally always have energizers on hand. Sam's club sells them super cheap. I just got 48 energizer max cells for under $16.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 30, 2005, 12:22:50 AM
I just bought energizer e2,
for some strange reason i cant find any Duracell ultra

Well Personally I like those e2s!!!
but if your looking for Duracells here they are on line for a great price
http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MX1500AA&Category_Code=bt

Thanx for the link,but ill pass because the shipping will cost a lot
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on September 30, 2005, 02:04:25 AM
here are pics of my ani with fresh new energizer max
(https://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8241/dsc003448wo.th.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc003448wo.jpg)
(https://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8664/dsc003456bf.th.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc003456bf.jpg)
(https://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4931/dsc003469bi.th.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc003469bi.jpg)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Pfc Joker on September 30, 2005, 08:25:41 AM
Wow...now thats bright.

I definately noticed the difference with my Vader when I switched to E2's.
My first thought was..."Now thats Red!"
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on September 30, 2005, 04:58:25 PM
I'm going to have to try E2's there the only batteries i haven't tried so far.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Eunice on September 30, 2005, 06:17:04 PM
whoa that's really bright!
but i noticed that the cameras do that to the lightsabers because they're regularly blue and in some pictures they appear with a white core and blue outside
it would look so cool if it had a white core ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 03, 2005, 06:48:43 AM
I tried the E2 Lithium after I didnt like the titanium E2, I also bought the Duracell Ultra for digital devices.  I must say that I was disappointed in the Lithium, fresh batteries still produced blotches in the blade and wasnt that loud in either my Anakin ROTS or Vader ESB.  I then put in the Ultra wooooohoooo what a difference.  The Ultra in my opinion produce the best effect the Vader is a nice red and you dont notice the 64 LED strung up the blade like I did when I put in the E2's.  In the Anakin I found no blotches and the movement and the sound worked great and were louder than I thought it was going to be.  I did use the M3 before but I found that they dont last that long, I went with the Ultra digital devices for longer power and performance, but I have a feeling that this debate was last a long time.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 03, 2005, 12:09:25 PM
I will be posting pics of my anakin rots with e2's when my energiner max juice is gone,
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 05, 2005, 04:00:19 AM
my energizer ultimates are still going strong.  need some more from ebay for when my luke arrives, i will post if i get a good deal on them to let others know.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 05, 2005, 12:42:03 PM
I just bought 6 Energizer Ultimate Lithiums apparently they are the best AA batteries in the world, horrendously expensive but i cant wait to see them in one of my sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 06, 2005, 03:44:19 AM
smart scottish,
can you tell me where did you purchase and for how much?

yours

jack

ps off topic but has anyone else noted that these forums have started to have a few minor arguments in them,  the mods are doing a great job of getting on top of the fools quickly,  this is such a friendly helpfull place i dont want to see it degenerate into some mud flinging battle site like some places you find.

keep it cool
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on October 06, 2005, 12:42:54 PM
Thank you Jack :D

Yes the mudslinging getts stopped quickly around here ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 06, 2005, 03:34:56 PM
I agree with you there jack, any disputes between members should be setled privately.

Here is a link to where i bought the batteries:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5807691891
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 07, 2005, 12:44:25 AM
thanks for that.  as i said before im really impressed with my energizer ultimates, surely the lithium just gives you a better lifespan.  on the card it shows that their suitable for stereos and stuff like that where i think the lithium are intended for cameras etc.  i suppose the use of your saber is more intermittent like a camera as opposed to a stereo which would be left on for extended periods of time.  i may indulge.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on October 07, 2005, 02:19:58 AM
I'll add to that there Jack
the Saber is a High draw device and the LEDs are maxed out
in brightness along with the clash and motion sensors.
Though there is no hard drive spinning or anything.
So it's like the Digital Video Camera recording to flash chips
with a "High resoloution"Video screen on all the time ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 07, 2005, 03:37:55 AM
when my ultimates run out i will probably go for the e2 if i can get them in that deal.  six needed for my ROTJ but its not due for a month yet so i have a little time to hunt around.

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 07, 2005, 03:53:05 AM
When i was looking for batteries i was actually looking for e2's and i discovered that the Ultimate Lithiums last longer than e2's and cost a little more. I wanted the best so i went for the Ultimates but i will have to try the e2's at some point as well.

I can actually get batteries for free from my dad's work, unfortunately they are only Duracell Procell's which are Duracell's industrial buy in bulk battery, they are ok but cant touch M3's or e2's. They are free though so I'm getting some 9 volts for my custom sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 07, 2005, 04:05:36 AM
i said earlier in this topic i think (its the longest topic and is getting far too long for any newcomers to read through seriously without damaging their eyes :o) :o   that i had duracell coppertops and switced to ultimates, i realy could not believe the difference.  as per the above if lithium/titanium just gives a better life expectancy not better brightness and volume than ultimates ill probably just stick with the alkaline ultimates i guess.  need to see whats on offer.  think i saw 8 (double 4 pack) special offer ultimates in woolworths the other day for less than a fiver.



Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 07, 2005, 04:08:15 AM
i just put enerizer e2's advanced in my anakin rots,
nd there is  BIG difference between the energizer max,
the blade is MUCH brighter, it has less blotchiness, and i can barely see the dark spot on the middle of the blade!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 07, 2005, 04:15:02 AM
Yes the energizer max are not the best.  go here  http://www.energizer.co.uk/en/battery_products.html you can compare all the batteries outputs etc. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 11, 2005, 09:54:32 AM
Ok so here is a list for all new comers who read this thread.  And it is in order of the best ones to buy.


1.  Energizer E2 Titanium
2.  Duracell Ultra M3 or for digital devices
3.  Energizer Ultimate (for our european members)
4.  Energizer Max

I am currently using Duracell for digital devices it does give a bright blade but doesnt really last that long, I might go back to E2 and Energizer Max for my sabers. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 11, 2005, 09:55:59 AM
U could add the duracell plus, they are still good
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 11, 2005, 11:59:44 AM
We could put them at number 5 then
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 11, 2005, 12:01:16 PM
and also state that to only use alkaline batteries
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 11, 2005, 12:03:26 PM
Ok.  So I might break it down like this in my sabers, use the Energizer max in the Luke and the E2 in the Anakin and Vader sabers.  Or use the E2 in all three, which sounds better I think
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 11, 2005, 01:26:32 PM
I just did some research into the battery saga and what costs more.  I checked bestbuy.com walmart.com and walgreens.com.  The E2 Energizer 8 pack and the Duracell Ultra M3 or for digital devices cost the same 7.99 for an pack.  The Lithium do cost alot more I think 11.00 for a 4 pack.  So it seems to me that the E2's are a good battery for the price which I am sure to get once I get paid this Friday
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on October 12, 2005, 12:12:09 AM
Hello everyone...
Now for a wrench in the monkey works!

Well I know that when you have a house full of sabers batteries can get expensive!
So I was on a quest to find the BEST! cheaper high capacity bettry and here they are!
By Fuji Novell a SuperAlkaline 7300.
I've been testing them in my Anakin ROTS 3cells and MACE Windu 6cell and Now the
Luke ROTJ 6cell and I'll tell you... they are Just as bright and compareable to
the Energizer e2 and Duracell Ultra Digitals!
They are meant for long storage and High drain.
Go read about them here...
http://www.fujinovelbatteries.com/

Not to mention at $1.99 a four pack this price can't be beat!
Buy them Here...
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXH114&P=ML

Like I said I've tested them Against the others side by side for a week
and I'm very pleased with the results...

It's worth just trying a 4 pack if your curious!

I might even look in to carrying these in our Trade Federation store
always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 12, 2005, 06:45:50 AM
Really I always thought that Duracell and Energizer were the kings, thanks Meridian they are cheap and if they work just as good as the other two that's a steal, where did you buy them, I go to Walmart for my batteries and all I see is Duracell and Energizer.  I cant believe that they are performing as good as the E2 or Ultra batteries I wonder why and what makes them special
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 12, 2005, 06:55:30 AM
Excelent find MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 12, 2005, 08:01:37 AM
Well initial searches for the Fuji's Meridian mentioned in the UK have turned up nothing, i suppose i will have to keep looking.

Oh the future looks bright for us and out sabers though, i was watching the gadget show a few months back and apparently Panasonic have developed a battery using new technology which lasts seven times longer than the leading Lithium cell.

They can get 2 AA's to run a small electric car with a person in it for like 20 km, don't quote me on the distance though as its been a while since i seen the show.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 12, 2005, 08:40:32 AM
thats amazing if its correct. :o
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 12, 2005, 09:12:14 AM
Well they had some footage from the trade show in Japan where Panasonic revealed the battery, they had two digital cameras set up, one using the new cells and one using standard alkalines to see just how many more images the new cells could take. They also had the electric car on the stage with the two cells in a compartment on top of it. So i think they are the real deal it just depends when they make there way over to the states and then over here.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on October 13, 2005, 09:51:48 AM
Hello there everyone

The price is better, because they don't advertise like energizer and duracell.

also use the links that I gave in the post to find them ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 13, 2005, 11:51:54 AM
Here is my break down of what batteries go with what sabers I am using my sabers as examples.


Anakin ROTS: Energizer Titanium of Lithium.  I was using Duracell Ultra for Digital Devices, I put the fresh Lithiums man what an unbelievable difference, brighter blade or better motion sounds.  Now I did borrow these from a neighbor I can't afford these, so Titaniums might be a better choice for those of you out there.

Vader ESB: Duracell Ultra M3 or for Digital Devices, Energizer Titanium or Lithium.  I did the samething with the Vader Saber as I did the Anakin, both had the same kind of batteries and for the same amount of time, but the Vader still is going strong and I dont know why.  Still have Duracell for Digital and it still produces a bright balde and great movement sounds right on q.


Luke ROTJ: Duracell Ultra same as above, Energizer Titanium of Lithium.  I am going to try Energizer Titaniums on these cause I am starting to notice the blade not as bright and seeing more LED's which is what happens in the Vader when batteries start to go.



I did this to maybe help our newer members avoid paying for the experiment that happens with these sabers.  I think Energizer is better for these sabers due to the high amount of power and electronics.  These things need alot of juice to produce a great effect and maybe last long to.  Remember if you start seeing blotches in the Anakin or more LEDs in the Vader of Luke saber its time to replace the batteries.  The Duracell Ultra I used lasted maybe 3 weeks with about 1 hr of play everyday.  But its up to the consumer to decide which is best for them.  I say go for the Energizer E2 they cost as much as the Ultra's but seem to hold the voltage more and longer.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on October 13, 2005, 11:57:08 AM
Would someone do a comparsion picture wise to what a normal LED noticable spot looks like and a splotch on a blade looks like

Know what I mean
I mean what is normal and what is not exactly kosher

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mick on October 14, 2005, 08:45:44 AM
I just recieved my ESB Vader saber yesterday bought some regular Duracell and it is not up to what i see in all the pics here.  Guess I will try some better batteries.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on October 14, 2005, 08:50:15 AM
I just recieved my ESB Vader saber yesterday bought some regular Duracell and it is not up to what i see in all the pics here.  Guess I will try some better batteries.

Mick from Snowtroopers.ca?

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mick on October 14, 2005, 08:55:05 AM
thats me.  I really hope that its just the batteries in mine they are brand new just bought them but you can see spots in the saber.  I'm going to buy some better batteries today.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on October 14, 2005, 08:58:29 AM
thats me.  I really hope that its just the batteries in mine they are brand new just bought them but you can see spots in the saber.  I'm going to buy some better batteries today.

Welcome aboard :)
Of course, the Bird King of La Mancha must have a second home and this is it.

I recommend the E2's for the Vader ESB
Sometimes you can use regular batteries and it looks just fine
at least I have not noticed anything uber anyway

I use E2's and it looks better then with Regular duracells
However, my Anakin ROTS looks better with regular duracells then the E2's
Go figure huh?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mick on October 14, 2005, 09:08:43 AM
when I got it yesterday I just ran out and bought what i could find.  I normally buy energizer but they didn't have any.  I'll look for the e2's today.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on October 14, 2005, 09:18:40 AM
I definately recommend going thru this thread and you'll get some rather good information on batteries here.

You got yourself a fine first Saber :)
one of the best, if not the THE best of the Line so far
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 14, 2005, 10:42:23 AM
I am using E2 Titanium in all three of my sabers.  I bought two 8 packs for 6.49 which is not bad at all, the Luke, Anakin and Vader look great.  Bold color and great sounds, my objective is not to play with them as much as so long they last.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on October 14, 2005, 11:15:29 AM
hey Mick welcome to the forums,
the best batteries are energizer e2's and duracell ultra,
but be sure tp take a look at this link that MERIDIAN found
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXH114&P=ML
these fuji's are very good batteries
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Master_IceFire on October 16, 2005, 04:26:34 AM
whatever you do guys DO NOT BUY the panasonic OXYRIDE batteries i tried them and they FRIED my saber,
after 2 days of perfect use, the 3rd day i go to light it up and NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL

i put normal energizers in it and it will work for a little while and then shut off and i cant turn it back on till it "cools"

so do not under any circumstances buy those batteries or you'll be out of a hundred bucks, thank god i can still return it
Title: Battery advice needed
Post by: rob on October 18, 2005, 07:32:14 PM
Since you guys really seem to be able to see the small differences in the brightness of the MR blade when different batteries are used I have a question for you.  I am a little bit nervous about using the new high voltage e2s etc., and I would like to stick with regular alkaline batteries.  Have you guys noticed any difference between brand name batteries like Duracel and Energizer compared to the highest quality genreic batteries like Rayovac maximum?  I know some people will read this and say "Why don't you just compare the two?"  The reason that I ask is that it seems that many of the guys that regularly post here seem to have a very good eye for subtle differences, and they are probably much more edjucated about this stuff. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Battery advice needed
Post by: PLO KOON on October 19, 2005, 01:40:28 AM
I've tried Energizer e2's and they don't give any problem... but I'm not sure about what you mean by "higher voltage".
Title: Re: Battery advice needed
Post by: darthclueless on October 19, 2005, 12:08:18 PM
I've tried rayovacs and energizers...the bunny batteries seem a little brighter but they are both adequate.
Title: Re: Battery advice needed
Post by: benlurkin on October 19, 2005, 05:42:52 PM
I use Energizers in every one of mine.  But for more information I recommend the 'Don't skimp on batteries!!' thread here:

http://fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=897.0

A wealth of information, to say the least.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on October 20, 2005, 11:17:42 AM
I do believe this is the don't skimp on batteries thread...  ;)

Perhaps the title got listed differently due to a thread merger... :D

Anyway, I think by now most everyone realizes that the fact that
there are individual LEDs that make up the blade length... You get "slight" spotting
no matter what Batteries you use... some batteries that are matched more closely
to each other in their power out put will make all the LEDs light to a similar consistency.

But we have learned that the "HIGH VOLTAGE" batteries are NOT TO BE USED because they
will conflict with the capacitors that regulate the amount of power allowed.

Stick with standard Energizer e2 or the Duracell Ultra and you'll be fine...
Or better yet use the cheaper Fuji Novel I've recommended in this thread as well ;)

always
MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: benlurkin on October 20, 2005, 11:22:28 AM
??? I guess they were merged then, well I'll say it even at the bottom of this thread:  This is a good read for any battery questions!  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Wat-Gav Martra on October 20, 2005, 02:05:17 PM
Yes i merged a smaller battery thread in here.
Title: About batteries. Help me!
Post by: gh1516 on October 23, 2005, 06:14:55 AM
I have question about FX lightsaber batteries.

According to the explanatory, I should use 3 AA alkaline batteries.

My question is this - Can I use titanium batteries instead of Alkaline batteries?

Please answer to me.

Title: Re: About batteries. Help me!
Post by: trexy on October 23, 2005, 06:17:21 AM
U should ONLY use ALKALINE Batteries,
the best are the eneregizer E2's or the duracell ultra,
if u want more information u could go to the Dont skimp on batterie topic,
it is really helpfull ;)
Title: Re: About batteries. Help me!
Post by: PLO KOON on October 23, 2005, 08:17:46 AM
I wonder... we need more info on these titanium ones.

I believe alkalines are recommended cause fx sabers need the 1.5v from alkalines. Lithiums only produce 1.2v for each battery, so it is not recommended for its low power...

now ... these titanium ones, my guess is that it is alright as long as they produce 1.5v per battery? Correct?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on October 24, 2005, 07:30:13 AM
Yes but FX sabers juices the batteries and alkaline's have much longer to give before the sabers looses their power.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 24, 2005, 07:55:21 AM
The Energizer Lithiums I use for the Anakin ROTS have 1.5 volts and are great
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on October 26, 2005, 05:18:33 AM
as stated before i use the energizer "ultimates"  they are the most powerful alkaline battery available.  they are dearer than standard duracell and energizer batteries but cheaper than the e2.  check these quotes from energizer website

RE-E2 "recommended for cameras"Capture the important moments in your life with Energizer e2 lithium batteries. They deliver long-lasting power to keep up with today’s high tech cameras and flash units.

Energizer e2 lithium batteries are available in all popular sizes. Our AA batteries, the world’s longest-lasting AA battery, last five times longer than ordinary alkaline batteries in high-drain devices like digital cameras. In flash units, they power three times more flashes with a consistent, quick 8-second recycle time.

Energizer e2 lithium AA batteries weigh about one-third less than ordinary batteries and operate well in extremely hot and cold temperatures, from -40 to + 60° C.

They include the most popular cell sizes - EL123, 223, 2CRS and CR2. We’ve also introduced the CRV-3 cell for today’s newest digital cameras.

RE - Ultimates

Introducing Energizer Ultimate – the most powerful battery in the Energizer brand alkaline family. Designed for consumers who demand the most from their battery-powered devices, Energizer Ultimate batteries perform up to 20% better than current Ultra+ in demanding devices*.

Energizer Ultimate batteries are ideal for those devices which are central to your day to day life, such as portable music systems and cameras. They are available in the five main battery sizes.

Choose Energizer Ultimate – Extra Energy when you need it most.

*versus Energizer Ultra+ AA, 2003 internal test

so if you dont mind spending the cash and use your saber daily i would say you are better off with the e2.  however if you dont use it all the time go for the ultimates.

as said before my sabers both run of ultimates and i have seen the difference the batteries make compared with duracell ultra and energizer max / ultra+.


Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on October 26, 2005, 11:17:03 AM
I have found the following:


Anakin ROTS: E2 Lithium flat out work the best for this saber, glowing bright with no blotches even after a month or almost everyday play.

Vader ESB: I am also using E2 Lithium but I have used the Titanium and Duracell Ultra, but the Lithiums seem to work the best but the saber runs great on Titaiums.

Luke ROTJ:  Duracell Ultra for digital devices.  Lithiums are to expensive for me to put 6 in the saber, but the Ultras work great and are cheaper
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on October 26, 2005, 03:13:26 PM
:)Greetings from the Netherlands. :)


                      ***     THE DIFFERENCE OF ALKALINE AND NIMH      ***

Hay guys, here something I wrote in another topic, but it's better in this one.
Maybe someone wrote something about this already, for that I'm sorry, but this topic is to big and my computer to slow, so it takes to long for me to read it completely.

I'm a 3D Photographer and I know that NIMH batteries give they're power faster than normal alkaline batteries. So for flash guns they are better. With fresh alkaline batteries my Metz flash gun recharts every 10 to 12 sec. with NIMH or Ni-Cd batteries in every 2 sec.
But with this lightsabers its the voltage thats important because the electronics makes higher power to light up all the LEDs (Just like a Tazer shockstick, it works with a 9 volt battery and make many thousands of volt with it with almost no Ampere, so you wont die from it) and NIMH batteries (with a voltage of 1.2 instead of 1.5) give 0.9 volt less than Alkaline when you use three batteries, 1.8 Volt less than alkaline when using six. So when the electronics multiplies the voltages let say (I don't know) 10 times, the 0.9 or 1.8 less voltage times 10 is a lot.

So, NIMH is very good for many things but definitely not for your FX lightsaber.

Your friend Darth Matth
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on October 27, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
:)Greetings from the Netherlands. :)


                      ***     THE DIFFERENCE OF ALKALINE AND NIMH      ***

Hay guys, here something I wrote in another topic, but it's better in this one.
Maybe someone wrote something about this already, for that I'm sorry, but this topic is to big and my computer to slow, so it takes to long for me to read it completely.

I'm a 3D Photographer and I know that NIMH batteries give they're power faster than normal alkaline batteries. So for flash guns they are better. With fresh alkaline batteries my Metz flash gun recharts every 10 to 12 sec. with NIMH or Ni-Cd batteries in every 2 sec.
But with this lightsabers its the voltage thats important because the electronics makes higher power to light up all the LEDs (Just like a Tazer shockstick, it works with a 9 volt battery and make many thousands of volt with it with almost no Ampere, so you wont die from it) and NIMH batteries (with a voltage of 1.2 instead of 1.5) give 0.9 volt less than Alkaline when you use three batteries, 1.8 Volt less than alkaline when using six. So when the electronics multiplies the voltages let say (I don't know) 10 times, the 0.9 or 1.8 less voltage times 10 is a lot.

So, NIMH is very good for many things but definitely not for your FX lightsaber.

Your friend Darth Matth


Excellent! I tried to explain that somewhere else on these boards but couldn't get to the point and make it understandable like you did. Thanks!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on October 28, 2005, 11:46:09 AM
Don't mention, glad to help you for a changes.. You guys helped me a lot with your experiences. I still have to wait for my AniVad sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DarthShlick on November 03, 2005, 09:48:23 PM
Yeah I had a scare last weekend, I was dueling with my Vader ep5 against my friends Luke EP6 when he stops and says "Dude look at your saber!"
I look at it and half of the LEDs have gone out and the others are acting weird and the sound is fuzzy. I was ready to flip out and cry because I was afraid I broke my baby.
But my other friend asks "When was the last time you changed the batteries?"
I paused and said "Not since I got the saber."
Well that could be it, so we quickly put in some new ones and BAM!!!!! Turned on and was brighter than ever. Phew..... that was close.
Now that we fixed it we continued to make our saber video that is three weeks in the making and so far is VERY funny with some of the crap we put on there. Maybe when we are finished with it I'll post some of it here so you all can laugh at it with us.  ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on November 04, 2005, 01:42:23 AM
definately post it i would be interested to see it.  my brother talked about doing one with me also, if he ever gets his lazy xxx in gear we will post it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on November 04, 2005, 04:47:11 PM
I got a new Anakin and put duracell ultra m3s in it. It was really bright. I exchanged it because of a flaw and put energizer max batteries in ithe new one and now it seems a lot duller and slightly spotty. Would this be the Energizers or the sabre. (I'm going to buy more ultras, I just don't have any to try right now).
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on November 04, 2005, 06:03:28 PM
Some blades are more spotted looking than others because of the focal clarity of the polycabonite tubbing.
In other words some Poly tubes appear slightly rippled and this makes for a spotty looking blade no matter what batteries you put in ::)
I have 3 Anakins and they all look slightly different and one is noticeably the worst of the 3.
So analyze the blade before you suspect the batteries.
But it never hurts to try the Duracell's if you likes the way they looked ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on November 04, 2005, 06:15:08 PM
I am certainly agreed with you there. I have found few ripples on my blade too and mine is Darth Vader's lightsaber.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on November 04, 2005, 06:49:27 PM
It is part of the manufacturing process for the Poly tubes
and is inherent of the thin walled tubes used by MR.
BUT It's not terrible yet could be better quality controlled ::)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on November 04, 2005, 09:17:30 PM
I'm confused about the energizer e3 batteries. People here seem to recommend them but from what
I read they're not Alkaline. Is this okay?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on November 04, 2005, 09:25:22 PM
It is part of the manufacturing process for the Poly tubes
and is inherent of the thin walled tubes used by MR.
BUT It's not terrible yet could be better quality controlled ::)
I find those ripples don't have much of the negative effects on the blade of my lightsaber that it still looks perfectly awesome.

Quote
I'm confused about the energizer e3 batteries. People here seem to recommend them but from what
I read they're not Alkaline. Is this okay?

It doesn't have to be Alkaline batteries for every FX lightsaber as long as those batteries are double A type then you are fine with them.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on November 04, 2005, 09:47:35 PM
I'm confused about the energizer e3 batteries. People here seem to recommend them but from what
I read they're not Alkaline. Is this okay?
It doesn't have to be Alkaline batteries for every FX lightsaber as long as those batteries are triple A type then you are fine with them. *Sorry for double-posting. I am just trying to help out someone here*

Actually, they have to be double A batteries.  Alkaline batteries are recommended by MR, and the Energizer e2 batteries have been found by other members of the site to be superior to regular alkalines (and should be quite safe in your FX saber).  The only things you should avoid are rechargeables and batteries that aren't meant for things with lights.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on November 04, 2005, 10:35:01 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I suppose it must be the voltage that matters because even though the energizer e3s are lithium I think they are still 1.5 volts.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on November 04, 2005, 10:43:55 PM
I'm confused about the energizer e3 batteries. People here seem to recommend them but from what
I read they're not Alkaline. Is this okay?
It doesn't have to be Alkaline batteries for every FX lightsaber as long as those batteries are triple A type then you are fine with them. *Sorry for double-posting. I am just trying to help out someone here*

Actually, they have to be double A batteries.  Alkaline batteries are recommended by MR, and the Energizer e2 batteries have been found by other members of the site to be superior to regular alkalines (and should be quite safe in your FX saber).  The only things you should avoid are rechargeables and batteries that aren't meant for things with lights.
Dude, look back my post. I have corrected it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on November 04, 2005, 11:31:04 PM
Sorry about that.  I guess you updated it while I was posting, so I didn't see that you had corrected it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 05, 2005, 01:06:39 AM
Ok you guys are confused, The energizer E2's are ALKALINE
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on November 05, 2005, 06:21:01 AM
Sorry about that, the way I've seen them described led me to believe that they weren't alkaline. I read up on them more and they really seem suilted for the sabers. I wish I hadn't bought energizer max batteries now. Anyone else notice that the duracell ultra m3 batteries only last about 2 hours in the sabers before they're almost done. Mine seem to die very quickly. I think i'll try the e2 batteries to compare.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on November 05, 2005, 06:26:37 AM
The E2's are great batteries.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 05, 2005, 06:29:24 AM
yes they are great batteries,
so are the duracell ultra,
I think that duracell have better preformance thn the energizer
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on November 05, 2005, 08:44:26 AM
yes they are great batteries,
so are the duracell ultra,
I think that duracell have better preformance thn the energizer
Yes, I agreed with you there because Durcell tends to last longer than Energizer and still has the same performance as Energizer.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 05, 2005, 09:21:29 AM
yes they are great batteries,
so are the duracell ultra,
I think that duracell have better preformance thn the energizer
Yes, I agreed with you there because Durcell tends to last longer than Energizer and still has the same performance as Energizer.

Yes , they last longer but i fell that the sounds are sharper with the duracell ultras
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on November 05, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
yes they are great batteries,
so are the duracell ultra,
I think that duracell have better preformance thn the energizer
Yes, I agreed with you there because Durcell tends to last longer than Energizer and still has the same performance as Energizer.

Yes , they last longer but i fell that the sounds are sharper with the duracell ultras
So do that means good or bad?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 05, 2005, 11:51:53 AM
yes they are great batteries,
so are the duracell ultra,
I think that duracell have better preformance thn the energizer
Yes, I agreed with you there because Durcell tends to last longer than Energizer and still has the same performance as Energizer.

Yes , they last longer but i fell that the sounds are sharper with the duracell ultras
So do that means good or bad?
that means GOOD
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Leading on November 05, 2005, 12:12:49 PM
Thats pretty crazy how much the saber changed with new batteries. And ill be sure to always keep new batts in my sabers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on November 05, 2005, 03:01:40 PM
Just got some energizer e2s and put them in my Anakin. More vibrant blue than energizer max. It looks about the same as the duracell ultra m3 to me. Hopefully these last longer than the duracells did.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mace101 on November 11, 2005, 10:12:11 AM
Yes, I've had my energizer E2's in for about 40 minutes of usage now, and it's showing no sign of wearing down.... at all.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 12, 2005, 07:29:03 AM
Yes, I've had my energizer E2's in for about 40 minutes of usage now, and it's showing no sign of wearing down.... at all.

i think they will last 19 hours usage :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on November 18, 2005, 03:20:32 PM
And the E2's cost just as much as the Duracell Ultra.  I use E2 Lithium for the Vader ESB and Anakin ROTS, for the Luke ROTJ I use the Titanium.  Right now I have Ultra in the Luke but its showing signs of losing it's power blotches not as quick power up, so getting some freah batteries.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Ki-Adi on November 21, 2005, 04:05:42 PM
What are the best brand/type of batteries for the new Luke ROTJ LED? Also how many do I need?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Alden Tokala on November 21, 2005, 04:07:53 PM
read up.. it says on the first post I beleive.,
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on November 21, 2005, 04:26:29 PM
I use E2 titanium and you need 6
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Ki-Adi on November 21, 2005, 04:38:54 PM
K thanks man. I will be on the look out for those batteries.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on November 22, 2005, 02:14:11 AM
here in the uk its easy to get hold of decent alkalines but the lithium and titanium are harder to come by
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on November 23, 2005, 07:12:13 AM
Greetings from The Netherlands

Can someone help me.
Here in Holland I pay 9,95 Euro's for 2 Energizer E2 batteries, and 6,95 Euro's for 4 Duracell Ultra M3
I call that stealling.
Does anyone know where I can get the better Energizer E2 batteries much cheaper, or better do, where can I buy the Fuji Novell 7300.
They are three times better and in America 2,95 dollar for 4.

HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLP!!!!!

Your friend Darth Matth
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 23, 2005, 08:13:40 AM
Haha same thing here man,
2 energizer e2's for $8 and $5 for 4!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on November 23, 2005, 08:22:01 AM
E2 Lithium are about 8 bucks for 4.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Gnosis on November 23, 2005, 08:23:02 AM
We're having a sale over here right now
I scored 4 for E2's for 4.97 yesterday
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on November 23, 2005, 12:28:35 PM
wow this topic just keeps going and going!!!!!

I reckon that good deals can be found on batteries from ebay.  just check regularly and always look at feedback prior to bidding, it also helps if the seller has a quantity of batteries for sale, that you check to see recent feedback from customers who have bought the same item.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on November 24, 2005, 02:33:23 AM
Thank you, I'll do that.

The thing is, extra shipment costs, but I have to buy a large amount of batteries and the price finally will be good.

Your friend Darth Matth
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: VvNeo2000vV on November 24, 2005, 06:31:08 AM
I was wondering if these batteries are the same Fuji batteries Meridien was talking about just in a bigger pack


4pack link Meridien gave us http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXH114&P=ML


48-pack what i found http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFZX3&P=
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 24, 2005, 06:56:11 AM
Yes they are...
If u order them plz give us feedback,
thank u
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: VvNeo2000vV on November 24, 2005, 07:21:11 AM
meridien said they worked great and they are cheap imma order the big pack and let you guys know but that wont be till after christmas it sucks having to wait till christmas for my 2 sabers
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on November 24, 2005, 07:35:07 AM
I do believe this tpoic is the first to 20 pages :o,  Congratulations FX-sabers.com

if its not i am sorry, but whoopeee anyway :) :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on November 24, 2005, 07:39:14 AM
U are right this is the first topic with 20 pages!!!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Kyle Katarnn on November 24, 2005, 09:13:01 AM
It's been a very useful topic so it's nice to be informed
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: VvNeo2000vV on November 24, 2005, 03:36:41 PM
Yay i was the first post on the 20th page yaaaaaaaaaay.........do i win something? lol ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on November 24, 2005, 04:58:18 PM
You won an FX-Sabers.com "No-Prize"! :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthclueless on November 24, 2005, 05:54:26 PM
You won an FX-Sabers.com "No-Prize"! :)

Man......I was hoping for a "No-prize" . I never win anything.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on November 26, 2005, 01:00:05 PM
Let us all congratulate you so this topic can go to 25 pages.
HaHaHa
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Hamill82 on November 29, 2005, 04:23:34 PM
I have always wondered how topic like this can have 20 pages, but now I know.  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on November 30, 2005, 05:39:02 AM
hello to all guys, and sorry my english
sorry if the argument is old but I dont have the time to read all the 2x pages of this thread :-)
my two cents: I'm using three rechargeable Duracell 1.2v 2300mA and my Vader V Sabre works like 3 fresh super-costly (here) alkaline batteires.
The blade is very bright and I dont see any dark area (except for a couple of darker spot inside the blade, xxx...)
I used these ones for a week, the sabre is very responsive and apparently is not damaged, the infamous clash sound do not require to break the blade onto a table and reacts with less impact.
The only drawback is the lifespan, shorter (3/4 to 1/2) of a set of new alkaline batteries, but they are sells for 200 charges...


Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on November 30, 2005, 05:50:50 AM
MMM I would still use batteries like Duracell Ultra M3, Energizer E2 Titanium or Lithium I have found that the Vader ESB and Anakin ROTS work the best with the Lithium batteries, now for those 6 pack sabers I would use the Duracell Ultra for digital devices or the Ultra M3, and that is after alot of experimenting and money lol
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on November 30, 2005, 09:14:56 AM
I agree, my choice it's only money-based ... here 8 "standard" duracell alkaline batteries costs 8€ (10$ approx.), unfortunately any rechargeable under 2000 mA (I tryied the 1800mA used in a r/c car receiver) is too weak for the blade

I wonder why the sabre works fine with these cells at 3.6v (3x1.2v) in place of 4.5v, I dont have a good knowledge of electronics so ... for the experts :  this can damage the sabre in long term or it's fine?
(sorry if the question was already made from something else)

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi_Qaid on November 30, 2005, 11:42:25 AM
Man I just changed my battery's in my Anakin for the 1st time (had for 2 weeks)
OMG i forgot how bright it actually was..

Then I looked at my Mace and thought,dam I used cheap battery's in my Mace I wonder how much better it will look with energizer's....Well end of story it looks SOOOOOOOOOO much brighter with new energizers!! WAY BETTER!

I was a cheap b****** and 1st and got generic batters for the Mace (do not do this,you sell yourself short)
Well I'm going to have to film another video now,the week battery's did not do the force fx justice in the one I upped today.

Thanks to Meridian for this excellent pic and example!!
(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akaimpc.com%2Ffiles%2Fbattery.jpg&hash=b5cf5a4ce3fcb40aea24f0debdc71c3cc8c146d0)




Thank you, I'll keep this in mind... I better check my Vader when I get home tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DutchVader on December 02, 2005, 03:33:28 AM
I went out and looked for Energizer E2's and he's right they are really expensive here in Holland.
The cheapest i could find where € 8.95 ($ 10.47) for 2!
I found some on Ebay 12 E2's for 4.99 GBP (€ 7.36 or $ 8.61).
I bought a set and totally forgot about shipping charges from Hong Kong which are 13 GBP (€19.18 or $ 22.46).
Which makes the total price € 26.54 ($ 31.06), € 2.21 ($ 2.59) per battery, still better compared to what we pay here.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Texican on December 05, 2005, 06:34:10 PM
Don't know if anyone knows this but if you have a Big Lots store near you they carry the Fuji Novel batteries.I was in one tonight and they carry the 4 packs for $1.49.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi_1802 on December 07, 2005, 05:04:41 PM
SO that's why my mace suddenly appears with dark spots.... I'll have to try your tip on using the kind of batteries for the FX Mace, I want to see for myself the difference.     
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: DutchVader on December 14, 2005, 08:24:10 AM
just received my E2's, they are much better than the Duracell Ultra M3 i used before.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 03, 2006, 02:40:02 AM
hey! I've posted a couple of comments for Master Yoda but my post seems to be annihilated in hyperspace... troubles with the forum engine?

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Vatter on January 03, 2006, 02:26:05 PM
I bought a pack of RadioShack Enercell Alkaline Batteries a day before my FX came, and it seemed VERY bright to me.  Has anybody ever used them before?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: registrau on January 04, 2006, 11:16:20 AM
I just saw, in a normal supermarket near my house, a pack of 8  generic Alkaline batteries for just 2.50 $

Is that too suspicious? Will they be sub-standard and not desirable for use with FFX?

The price is tempting...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on January 04, 2006, 11:18:45 AM
try them , but doesnt sound like good quality
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: registrau on January 04, 2006, 11:23:38 AM
I might try them..

Besides that: Is there much difference in quality between Duracell and Duracell Plus?

I'm currently using Duracell (not plus).
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on January 04, 2006, 11:29:01 AM
well there is a small difference,but you can see a difference when using duracell ultra
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 06, 2006, 05:20:06 AM
shots are cool but frankly I never see my Mace "unspotted" whatever batteries I'm using :(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 06, 2006, 05:22:53 AM
yes mine is slightly blotchy with the red diffuser, though i have never seen it look anything like as poor as some of the pics of the AOTC versions with poor batteries(i think they are earlier in this thread).

the newer the batteries the better it looks, but you cant keep renewing batteries after every five minutes of play.  its a shame rechargeables are not 1.5v and as powerful as M3 or E2 / ultimates etc.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 06, 2006, 06:01:27 AM
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its a shame rechargeables are not 1.5v

friend, once for all .... I'm really tired about the urban legend on the undervoltage ...

fact 1: straight from Mace manual "9 - Rechargeables batteries are to be removed before being recharged" using a couple of neurons anyone can think "wow so I CAN use rechargeables";
fact 2: undevoltaging can do nothing, and any alkaline go "undervoltaged" after half an hour of use (so, in long run any alkaline can destroy your blade?), half my home is powered by rechargeables without any problem for years;
fact 3: some alkaline (like oxyrides) peaks at 1.7v, THIS can damage the sabre, the more not the less;
fact 4: MR do not endorse rechargeables ... ok they are not endorsing also dueling and using the sabre in the dark (AHAHAHAH c'mon....)
fact 5: some (costly) rechargeables outputs 2500mA vs the mere 1000/1200 mA of any standard alkaline;

that's to stop (I hope..)  the "youre mad if you are using rechargeables" usual reply

aside my personal opinion personally I dont see this dramatic difference between, for example, plus and ultras, with 6 fresh ultras my windu is ALWAYS spotted, it's brighter ok but 4x5$ or 8x5$ ... to me the difference do not worth the price

I dont want to start a flame so...  all of you ... be friendly (but not childish...)

 ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 06, 2006, 06:54:08 AM
ok,

the reason i said about the use of re-charegables is because the ones i have seen in the UK are only 1.2volt.  the batteries i use in my sabers are energizer ultimates, if you read the technical garb on the website and packaging for the expensive batteries, they give out more energy for longer periods of time than standard alkalines, therefore if you are correct in saying that a 1.5 volt alkaline will be discharged after use, so will a 1.2volt rechargeable.  the more time you have with a brighter blade the better.  nowhere in the manuals do MR say that rechargeables should not be used, only that they should not be mixed with normal batteries.

have a look at page 1 of this thread to see the difference that poor batteries make.  the fact that oxyride batteries can over-power the electronics is not good and i think this has been dealt with before.

there is no problems with using rechargeables but it is a fact that the better the batteries the brighter the blade, ( i have put ultras in my sabers and then swapped for energizer ultimates, the difference IMO is marked.  people can use whatever batteries they like, i get the best performance from my energizers and will never use another kind in them.  this matter has been discussed at length before hence the 20odd pages of this thread.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 06, 2006, 07:23:15 AM
there is no problems with using rechargeables but it is a fact that the better the batteries the brighter the blade
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I never said rechargeables are better and brighter (hey they are all at 1.2v)
and isnt my intention to want everyone use these ones (in fact I'm actually using Plus and Ultras).
I'm only tired to read rechargeables can destroy the inner electronic, not only in this thread
a newbie/younger can be (wrongly) impressed
IMO
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 06, 2006, 07:26:38 AM
PS for Han Solo
my post wasn't directed to you,
I'm sorry, just your post remembered to me some Universal Truth explained by someone else around here...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 06, 2006, 07:38:45 AM
no problems man, this topic just keeps going and going.  its so long, i doubt anyone will read it all the way through now. 

if people read the manuals properly, like you say they will realise that rechargeables can be used.

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 06, 2006, 08:32:08 AM
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no problems man, this topic just keeps going and going.

yep :) and frankly reading all these opinions it's funny but now I'm a little confused (ok...I've contributed to confusion)
ultras, ultimate, mr.fusion .... argh ... anyway ... if you find a battery capable to unspot this xxx mace let me know pls....

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: registrau on January 07, 2006, 04:21:10 PM
I can't believe there are so many kinds of Duracell batteries!

I'm currently using Duracell (just Duracell, not plus, not ultra) on my Luke ROTJ LED saber. Looks cool to me.

This evening I bought a pack of Duracell Plus.

Now I read there are Duracell Ultra too!

Ok, I don't know much about batteries, and I don't seem to find any place in the web that explains the difference between normal, plus and ultra, so my guess is this:  Duracell Ultra better than Duracell Plus, and Duracell Plus better than normal Duracell?

I'd love to see a site that explains the actual differences between them though.



Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: stripdshirt on January 07, 2006, 05:17:41 PM
Has anyone still noticed an issue where they can still very faintly see the LED track on their Ani ROTS in the DARK.  I'm using brand new Energizer E2's and I can still faintly see it down the one side, including the famous dark spot!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Hamill82 on January 07, 2006, 05:20:16 PM
Has anyone still noticed an issue where they can still very faintly see the LED track on their Ani ROTS in the DARK.  I'm using brand new Energizer E2's and I can still faintly see it down the one side, including the famous dark spot!

I think it's normal to see the way you see. At least I can notice dark spots in all sabers with fresh batteries if looked closely. Those doesn't bother me much.  :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on January 08, 2006, 07:24:49 AM
I can see the led sequence in all my sabers now that I know what they look like. When I first got them I didn't notice it. I think it's that your mind concentrates on them once you know how they look, and after you start studying the sabers for flaws.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: bobsmith_915 on January 08, 2006, 12:25:10 PM
And Remember everyone DON'T USE THOSE BATTERIES in products with LIGHTS!

I was reading Yoda's other thread "Bad Batteries" and he said not to use batteries in products with lights. What does that mean?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: registrau on January 08, 2006, 02:51:07 PM
And Remember everyone DON'T USE THOSE BATTERIES in products with LIGHTS!

I was reading Yoda's other thread "Bad Batteries" and he said not to use batteries in products with lights. What does that mean?

In that thread, he just says that you shouldn't use OXYRIDE batteries with FFX sabers (because they can damage the sabers), or with any other device that has lights. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: bobsmith_915 on January 08, 2006, 07:50:27 PM
I'm not familiar with oxyride batteries. Are there lights on the batteries themselves?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 08, 2006, 11:31:00 PM
oxyrides are Panasonic batteries, the "top" after Panasonic Xtreme
they outputs more than 1.5v and are suitable for mp3 players and digital cameras
(I'm reading the spot on the rear of the Xtreme 12-cells box :) )
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darkness2 on January 09, 2006, 06:30:16 AM
mmm   are these worth it guys ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-DURACELL-PLUS-AA-or-AAA-BATTERIES_W0QQitemZ5851379198QQcategoryZ48447QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darkness2 on January 09, 2006, 06:42:27 AM
mmmmm so  where do duracell  procell fit into all this please ?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: WEDGE ANTILLES on January 09, 2006, 09:41:22 AM
thanks to this thread -->  I just spent $60 on batteries.   :-\

---------------

ps: another point that may or may mot have been raised (I didn't read the whole thread), is that you should never leave the batteries in the saber for more than about 6 months at a time, even if you don't use it very much (especially if you don't use it much :p lol). I had a Hasbro saber with 3AA's in it since last May, and the other day I opened it to change batteries for my kids only to find that one of the Duracells had cracked open and leaked acid/salt into the battery compartment of the saber (the one that cracked said "use by 2012" on the side; it was relatively 'new', and was only puchased about 8 months ago).   and now, even with fresh batteries, the toy doesn't work at all anymore because the contacts are so badly eroded.  its burnt.  toast.  history.

if you're like me, you'll want to mark a date on the calendar and change-out the batteries in ALL your FX sabers ~once every six months,  like clockwork, whether they need it or not. 

also NEVER mix and match old batteries with new ones.  this will cause the older ones to crack and leak as soon as they run "dry" (in comparison to the newer ones)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 10, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
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and the other day I opened it to change batteries for my kids only to find that one of the Duracells had cracked

wow Duracell usually are safe ...  hot in your country?

and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
anotehr kind of cell ... I'm going crazy ... here there is a big discount (8 for the price of 4)
on Energizer Ultimate ... but aside I noticed Energizer Ultra+ argh, what's the best?
I've tryied only Duracell until now :-(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 10, 2006, 12:40:05 PM
I've given up my quest for the ultimate battery. I really wanted to see what Energizer Lithiums would do in my Anakin RotS, so I went ahead and bought them ($5 a PIECE). The blade is brighter (it actually hurts my eyes), but these batteries just cost too frikkin' much! I would have to spend more than $30 to use Lithiums in my Luke RotJ!!!
I sure hope these batteries will last 7x longer as they pretend they do. The next ones will probably be Energizer Ultimates (E2's don't exist over here).

Most people think there's something wrong with their saber(s) when they compare them to pictures taken from other people's sabers (with the white core effect), which is never going to happen with the current generation.

Anyway, it's just impossible to compare brightness over the internet. Pictures change dramatically with even the slightest change of camera settings and one person's "dim as JarJar" is another person's "bright as Palpatine".
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: WEDGE ANTILLES on January 10, 2006, 01:04:36 PM
if its that bright.. is there any chance of burning out an LED with these Lithiums?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 10, 2006, 01:08:20 PM
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Anyway, it's just impossible to compare brightness over the internet. Pictures change dramatically with even the slightest change of camera settings and one person's "dim as JarJar" is another person's "bright as Palpatine"

I agree, anyway .. so bright?!?!? I want to see a comparison shot from lithium and alkaline if you have
a couple of similar sabres to put in same shot, please!!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 10, 2006, 01:17:17 PM
Lithiums produce the same voltage as alkalines, so they should be safe.

I only have those new lithiums and some slightly used Duracell Ultra M3's, so comparison would be a bit biased.
Tomorrow I'll take some pictures with the exact same camera settings.

It also seems to be brighter when firing it up than after 2 minutes. Maybe the lithiums need some time to recover (like they would in digital cameras)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: bobsmith_915 on January 10, 2006, 05:20:09 PM
So lithiums should be safe?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 10, 2006, 11:43:54 PM
my only experience is with my office "desktop rover", it requires two alkaline, I putted in two lithium a year ago and woah! is running again, they seems to have a (very) longer life than alkalines
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 11, 2006, 10:53:34 AM
I sure hope so, expensive little buggers!

Here are the pictures I promised:

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.telenet.be%2Fmanji%2Fmisc%2Flightsabers%2Falkaline.jpg&hash=3a4193bb8f6a7a73f9925adf6425c3a3f715c3f1)
alkalines (Duracell Ultra M3) (slightly used)

(https://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.telenet.be%2Fmanji%2Fmisc%2Flightsabers%2Flithium.jpg&hash=70c42e3f82794b78b62a76446fefe90f4b1f061a)
lithiums (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) (new)

As you can('t) see, the difference is minimal. I must admit that the lithiums seem to blind me a bit more than the alkalines, but that could be explained psychologically as well.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Hamill82 on January 11, 2006, 11:18:15 AM
It's really hard to tell the difference, but when you'll look at the very beginning of the upper saber's blade, you may notice that it's just a bit darker in the pic when compared to the lower one. I'm not sure whether it's a shadow. Nice pictures by the way.  ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 11, 2006, 11:41:49 AM
I think I have a bad LED there, but since I wouldn't know what that would look like, I'm not really sure. :)

It's actually more visible on pictures than in real life.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 11, 2006, 12:28:36 PM
cool!! the upper half blade is clearly brighter (for me)
let us know what longer last these lithium ...  maybe they worth the price
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on January 11, 2006, 12:34:55 PM
I find the lithiums brighter
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Clone Pilot on January 11, 2006, 10:47:36 PM
So lithiums are safe to use then?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 12, 2006, 04:17:26 AM
yes no problems
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: bobsmith_915 on January 12, 2006, 05:46:03 PM
So lithiums are safe? Doesn't MR say not to use them? Or am I mistaken? BTW, those pics look great. I can really tell the difference. Too bad all I have are those cheap Kirlkland Signature batteries from Costco.  Are those ok?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on January 12, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
Yeah they both look the same
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 12, 2006, 11:32:22 PM
? pay attention to half-end of the blade, the lower has a white core the upper is more "merged" with blue
... but he says the alkaline cells aren't at full charge ....
I'm interested only if they have a very longer life (considering the price...)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Clone Pilot on January 13, 2006, 11:42:00 AM
Yesterday my Vader ESB was going nuts. :o It kept powering on and off and the blade only glowed a dull color. I had Duracell Ultras in it and changed it into fresh ones and it worked fine. Is that what happens when the battery runs out?

(this is probably out of the subject)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on January 13, 2006, 11:45:02 AM
Yesterday my Vader ESB was going nuts. :o It kept powering on and off and the blade only glowed a dull color. I had Duracell Ultras in it and changed it into fresh ones and it worked fine. Is that what happens when the battery runs out?

(this is probably out of the subject)

 :D :D this is off topic, but this is not because of the batteried the switch wasnt fully pushed upwards to turn the saber , it was between off and on
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Clone Pilot on January 13, 2006, 11:49:52 AM
I swear I had the switch all the way but oh well I chucked those batteries. Anyways back to lithiums, so are they another form of alkaline?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: skizzoid on January 14, 2006, 12:16:31 AM
So lithiums are safe? Doesn't MR say not to use them? Or am I mistaken? BTW, those pics look great. I can really tell the difference. Too bad all I have are those cheap Kirlkland Signature batteries from Costco.  Are those ok?

Yes, the cheapo batteries are fine, but you should opt for the higher end batteries if you can.  They make the saber look better longer, which can only be a good thing. :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 14, 2006, 05:12:33 AM
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the cheapo batteries are fine, but you should opt for the higher end batteries if you can

I tryied economic (here) Panasonic Xtreme, the sabre looks very nice ... for ten minutes  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 15, 2006, 03:46:03 AM
i really would refrain from using cheapo batteries,  i had some in my first vader ANH and i checked within the first week, there was battery acid leaking inside.  its not worth risking your saber for the sake of a few pounds/dollars trust me.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 15, 2006, 04:02:27 AM
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its not worth risking your saber for the sake of a few pounds/dollars trust me

and it's a wrong economy because they have a sooo short lifespan :-(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 15, 2006, 04:08:00 AM
precisely GIo

i cant believe people keep bleating on about the prices of batteries, there are deals out there,  for instance   energizer ultimates that i use, usuall sell for £3.99 for 4 the cheapest i have seen these is £3.19 at ASDA in the UK (they are owned by walmart BTW)  they currently have  8 packs on sale for the price £3.99.

excellent god quality batteries.  when you have four sabers like me, it gets far to much for lithiums as the price of those here are £7.00 for two this would cost me £60.00 for my sabers to all be lithium.  i can buy a new saber for that at the moment.

just use the best quality energizers or duracells, and you will have a reliable amazing saber.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 15, 2006, 04:22:55 AM
hey! same as here!!! it's a gift, 4+4(free) Ultimate for 5€,
I bought 4 packs :D
the 12 panasonic costs the same but they are LAMEEEEE
(especially in the Mace)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on January 16, 2006, 08:03:52 PM
No wonder my blade has so many spots on it whenever I turn on it. I guess I must have got bad batteries for my lightsaber. Not to mention, I use Enegizer Akaline batteries for my lightsaber, so I guess Enegizer isn't really that good at all for it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on January 16, 2006, 08:33:38 PM
God this is a long thread... I'll give my take.

Lithiums are great for 2 reasons:

1) a lithium AA or AAA runs at 1.7V instead of 1.5V like alkalines

2) the amperage they put out remains high until they run out where it will drop relativly fast.

I keep a few lithiums around for when I want to make them brighter, but otherwise I have higher amperage Nimh batteries in my MRs.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on January 16, 2006, 08:58:39 PM
God this is a long thread... I'll give my take.

Lithiums are great for 2 reasons:

1) a lithium AA or AAA runs at 1.7V instead of 1.5V like alkalines

2) the amperage they put out remains high until they run out where it will drop relativly fast.

I keep a few lithiums around for when I want to make them brighter, but otherwise I have higher amperage Nimh batteries in my MRs.
Do you know what brands are Lithiums type batteries?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on January 16, 2006, 09:04:38 PM
God this is a long thread... I'll give my take.

Lithiums are great for 2 reasons:

1) a lithium AA or AAA runs at 1.7V instead of 1.5V like alkalines

2) the amperage they put out remains high until they run out where it will drop relativly fast.

I keep a few lithiums around for when I want to make them brighter, but otherwise I have higher amperage Nimh batteries in my MRs.
Do you know what brands are Lithiums type batteries?

I've only seen energizer offer them as the more standard AA and AAA sizes.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Nestea341 on January 16, 2006, 09:23:03 PM
God this is a long thread... I'll give my take.

Lithiums are great for 2 reasons:

1) a lithium AA or AAA runs at 1.7V instead of 1.5V like alkalines

2) the amperage they put out remains high until they run out where it will drop relativly fast.

I keep a few lithiums around for when I want to make them brighter, but otherwise I have higher amperage Nimh batteries in my MRs.
Do you know what brands are Lithiums type batteries?

I've only seen energizer offer them as the more standard AA and AAA sizes.
No kidding. In this case, energizer batteries are the brand of Lithiums type batteries, right? ???
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 17, 2006, 10:52:23 AM

a lithium AA or AAA runs at 1.7V instead of 1.5V like alkalines


Are you sure about this? I know those Panasonic Oxyride batteries run at 1,7V (initially), but lithiums (at least the Energizer ones I bought) seem to run at 1,5V.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 17, 2006, 11:04:50 AM
I also know lthium run at 1.5v ... maybe some special lithium?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on January 17, 2006, 11:51:21 AM
It's what I've heard. :-\  It may say 1.5 (I checked mine, says that) but I suspect it's true.  Otherwise there'd be no point to other batteries of different chemistry.  I have also heard NicDs put out 1.2V.  Which jives with other reasons on why they're still made.

I don't have a volt or even mulitmeter with me but perhaps someone else can confirm/deny that.  I know the amperage part is true.  Otherwise there'd be no point of buying 700mA AAAs over 900mA AAAs when you look at rechargables.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on January 17, 2006, 12:01:56 PM
hey guys
DO NOT USE OXYRIDE BATTERIES:

http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=1038.0
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on January 17, 2006, 12:06:57 PM
Here is what I recommend, for the 3 battery sabers use the Energizer Lithiums yes they are expensive but work great, for the 6 battery saber you can use the Energizer Max, or Durcacell Ultra, these are the ones I have found that work the best for me
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 17, 2006, 12:16:10 PM
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DO NOT USE OXYRIDE BATTERIES:

no problem! here I cant find these ones!  ;D
BTW I never seen also Energize "E3" or something like I red in this thread,
only Energizer "Ultimate" and "Ultra+" (aside the standard ones)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 18, 2006, 11:33:52 AM
I think E2's are called Ultimate in Europe.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 18, 2006, 11:38:31 AM
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I think E2's are called Ultimate in Europe.

vwhahahHAHAHAAHAHA  that's amazing, so I'm using E2 without knowing what I'm doing .... AAARGH
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 18, 2006, 11:57:57 AM
I just found my old multimeter and did some measurements. I was in for quite a surprise:

Some cheap Panasonics: 1,548V
Duracell Ultra M3: 1,603V
Energizer Lithium (E2 or Ultimate): 1,798V

That's even 0,1V higher than Oxyrides!!!

It might be a very bad idea to put them in 6 battery sabers, since the voltage would be 1,8V higher than intended.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on January 18, 2006, 12:32:13 PM
I think the Energizer Max work great in the 6 cell
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Dark Skywalker on January 18, 2006, 12:40:53 PM
I use Durecell and they're ok. But I plan to use better ones. ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Guardian on January 22, 2006, 07:42:46 PM
...My Windu model was acting strange for a while.   Sound was cutting out, etc, and the blade was flickering a bit.

I just took the battery holder out and made sure they were all tight, then reinserted it and everything was fine..
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 23, 2006, 02:58:23 AM
check the copper connectors inside the hilt, also my vader something do the same
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 23, 2006, 11:59:10 AM
I think E2's are called Ultimate in Europe.

this is not correct i am afraid.  ultimates are alkaline batteries in europe the e2 are e2.   ultimate is an alkaline battery (i use these myself)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on January 24, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
Ultimates are indeed alkaline batteries, but so are E2's. Only E2 Lithium is..well..lithium-based. E2 Titanium is alkaline. There's no such thing as a titanium-based battery, unless I'm very much mistaken.

It becomes even more confusing. Take a look a http://www.energizer-eu.com/en/ultimate_lithium/default.htm.
Apparently there's Ultimate Lithium AND E2 Lithium in Europe. The difference is... I guess nobody knows. Anyway, I bought Ultimate Lithium and they're great, but too expensive.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on January 24, 2006, 11:49:50 AM
I never see E2 here, if I spot one ill do a try
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on January 27, 2006, 01:39:12 AM
e2's are available here but the only place i ever see them is in an outdoor/camping shop, so try there but they are well expensive man.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on February 03, 2006, 07:45:37 AM
Hey I hate to throw a wrench in this but at Walmart today I went for batteries and I found these Duracell Power Pix they were selling for about 8.50 for an 8 pack, they are 1.5v but it says on the package Nickel Oxy Hydroxide, now about performance I think they top the Litiums I put in the Vader Anakin and ROTJ saber, and went against the Litiums I had and the Duracell Ultra I boughts, these abtteries didnt make that much of a difference in the Mace or the Luke ESB, but in the Anakin ROTS and the Luke ROTJ oh man holy brightness Batman, I know MR says to use Alkaline but these things are amazing I will keep track to make sure I dont fry anything but so far a great performance in the the three sabers, but I dont know why I didnt see a difference in the Luke ESB or the Mace ROTS, well the Mace ROTS went a little brighter but I only bought two 8 packs and I didnt have enough for all of them, I will keep everyone updated as to whether or not these are safe.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on February 03, 2006, 11:40:52 AM
I also called Duracell they said these batteries are intended foe digital cameras, and they are not the same as the dreaded Panasonic but it doesnt say dont use in light product so I hope I dont fry anything but if Duracell says its not the same as the Panasonic and they are 1.5v so I dont think they dangerous, but I think I am taking a risk so we shall what happens I do keep checking them.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on February 06, 2006, 05:08:36 AM
Ok its day three all the saber using the Duracell are still working fine
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: campos on February 06, 2006, 06:36:08 AM
anyone use accu energizer 2500 mah ;)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on February 06, 2006, 06:34:43 PM
I noticed that Duracell has changed the name of the Duracell Ultra to Duracell Ultra Digital. They are still the same, I just think they
want to exploit the digital camera and long life angle. These are the ones I use and the battery itself still just says Duracell Ultra.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Ki-Adi on February 06, 2006, 06:42:58 PM
There is still Duracell Ultra but now there is also Duracell Ultra Digital. The duracell digital is supposed to be better for digital devices. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Knuckle01 on February 06, 2006, 06:51:40 PM
holy crap....26 pages on a battery thread, lol. i just use rechargeable batteries. work just fine, and cost me nothing.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Ki-Adi on February 06, 2006, 07:22:12 PM
Are they 1.5V Rechargables? I have some 1.4V Rechargables and my dad said why don't you use those. Well for one thing it is supposed to take 1.5V Batteries. But 26 Pages is really ridiculous. hahaha Better then a 26 page thread on jar jar, am I right? Actually I am wrong. 26 wonderful pages of Jar Jar it would be called. Enough with the the jokes, jar jar is actually one of my favourite characters. One of my reasons for that is because everyone gets pissed off at jar jar. hahaha It is quiet funny. But continue with the batteries my friends!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on February 07, 2006, 08:14:41 AM
Hey guys just to note on the Duracell Power Pics batteries I found they ares till working great, I found these at Walmart 8 pack for about 8.50 cheaper than the Litiums but deliver the same performance, if read in my past posts you will see what the chemical compound is, yes I believe them to be safe for the saber I am using them in my Anakin ROTS Vader ESB and the Luke ROTJ with fantastic results, I also did call Duracell they are not the same those Panasonics we have all read about, so if you see in your local Walmart give them try, its been about 3 days and there is no sign of danger when using these
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Knuckle01 on February 07, 2006, 08:24:38 AM
hmmmm, 1.5 or 1.4.....i have no clue what they are. would it make a difference in reality???
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on February 08, 2006, 02:07:53 AM
if you have a six battery saber thats a 9volt total,  if you use 1.4 volt batteries its 0.6 of a volt down on its recommended amount.  stick with 1.5volt for best.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Knuckle01 on February 09, 2006, 03:38:55 AM
if you have a six battery saber thats a 9volt total,  if you use 1.4 volt batteries its 0.6 of a volt down on its recommended amount.  stick with 1.5volt for best.

thanks for the advice..sounds good
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Merdah Lorr on February 10, 2006, 01:45:08 PM
Ok its day three all the saber using the Duracell are still working fine

Don't worry, my Ani RotS still works fine and those lithiums have been in there for about a month now.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on February 16, 2006, 06:59:16 AM
Greetings

The Maul uses AAA batteries.
You understand that this topic is going much bigger because we have to try the AAA batteries too.
I think it's wise to make a new AAA battery topic when the new Gen4 sabers come out, otherwise people are starting to be afraid of this one.


Your friend Darth Matth.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on February 16, 2006, 07:33:32 AM
LOL, the obi-wan owner can stay here :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: LVSithLord on February 28, 2006, 01:01:08 AM
The best batteries, that I've found and used, are Energizer Lithium. I've had them in my Vader ESB saber now for over two months now!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on February 28, 2006, 01:15:51 AM
energizer lithiums are sweet. I actually but cheaper batteries, I go to best buy and buy a pack of 16 batteries for the same price as 4 energizer lithiums. When they are new they have the same brightness as a lithium, obviously they just dont last as long, but overall its cheaper i think.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: trexy on February 28, 2006, 05:05:33 AM
Why do you think they changed them to AAA batteries???
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on February 28, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
To create a more accurate hilt size I would say. Just a guess.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on February 28, 2006, 08:23:16 AM
yeah gotta be, thinner batteries = thinner hilt, i wonder if they might have altered the sound chip to suit the new piece, i really hope they have.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on March 02, 2006, 08:08:09 AM
I'm hoping for movie accurate sounds too.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on March 02, 2006, 11:32:07 AM
my two cents: the maul is engineered to work best in the double configuration, so MR can do a nice hilt with quietly sound and provide less power because is using in fact two (little) speakers, this means the "damaged" version may sux, at least for the sound ... frankly my linear brain is thinking: if they have optimized so well the electronic why the obi-wan is again oversized and uses 3AA like the anakin ROTS .... and will be available months later the Maul?

I know, all speculations... but is funny :-)

(BTW how it's possible no one reseller is publishing a preview or a simple "hands-on"??)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 12:41:45 PM
my two cents: the maul is engineered to work best in the double configuration, so MR can do a nice hilt with quietly sound and provide less power because is using in fact two (little) speakers, this means the "damaged" version may sux, at least for the sound ... frankly my linear brain is thinking: if they have optimized so well the electronic why the obi-wan is again oversized and uses 3AA like the anakin ROTS .... and will be available months later the Maul?

I know, all speculations... but is funny :-)

(BTW how it's possible no one reseller is publishing a preview or a simple "hands-on"??)


There should be no difference between AA and AAA's except runtime.  They're the same voltage but they just don't have that same amperage capacity to put out power.  Also with the smaller blade I don't think it matters and runtime will probably be really similar.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on March 02, 2006, 12:45:17 PM
thinner blade? in the illustrious and fmous words of Luke Skywalker...*ahem*: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Pantsless on March 02, 2006, 12:55:42 PM
Thinner hilt, not thinner blade
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 12:57:09 PM
 ???  I said smaller not thinner.  Smaller length-wise. :P
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Pantsless on March 02, 2006, 12:59:22 PM
???  I said smaller not thinner.  Smaller length-wise. :P

Which is movie accurate. Remember Ray Park is only 5'8. 2 normal size sabers would be over 8 foot long
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 01:01:29 PM
???  I said smaller not thinner.  Smaller length-wise. :P

Which is movie accurate. Remember Ray Park is only 5'8. 2 normal size sabers would be over 8 foot long

Duh, I know that.  I just checked and thet didn't change the blade size.  It say 43" in length... that's the same.  That's really lame.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Pantsless on March 02, 2006, 01:04:58 PM
really? I saw a pic somewhere from a trade fair and it looked about seven feet long for the double.

Too long will just be stupid
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on March 02, 2006, 01:07:59 PM
I think the blade is the same as the Gen 3 thickness wise the BIG question is the sounds
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 01:09:41 PM
Yup.  MR site has the basic dimensions as 43" x 1.5" which is basically the same and its still a 64 LED blade in the description too.  That doesn't jive well.  I think a 24" to 28" would have been about right as opposed to the same 33" blade
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on March 02, 2006, 01:12:36 PM
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Also with the smaller blade I don't think it matters and runtime will probably be really similar.

did you mean the blade is shorter than the usual FXs?
In the movie it appears very similar (if I remember well)

Quote
They're the same voltage but they just don't have that same amperage capacity to put out power.

= they are a lot weak than AA... did you know the difference putting the same voltage and double the amperage in a, just for example, r/c monster truck?  Same life, double performance.



Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 01:26:36 PM
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Also with the smaller blade I don't think it matters and runtime will probably be really similar.

did you mean the blade is shorter than the usual FXs?
In the movie it appears very similar (if I remember well)

Quote
They're the same voltage but they just don't have that same amperage capacity to put out power.

= they are a lot weak than AA... did you know the difference putting the same voltage and double the amperage in a, just for example, r/c monster truck?  Same life, double performance.





As I just found out the Maul FX is the same length which is not right.  It's slightly shorter in the movie.

I don't know the word then I guess.  There is no difference on LEDs between AA and AAA.  I mean it's staying power.  D, C, AA and AAA are all the same voltage and amerage but don't have the same runtime, almost like a gas tank in a car.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on March 02, 2006, 01:33:23 PM
xwing.

what is smaller in the movie, the hilt or the blade length?    somewhere on here this was discussed earlier and the balde length looked the same on production photos.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darthirishman on March 02, 2006, 01:34:13 PM
Hey I have just sent Amy a PM to answer one major question

Check it out on the MR forum
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on March 02, 2006, 01:40:10 PM
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I don't know the word then I guess.  There is no difference on LEDs between AA and AAA.  I mean it's staying power.  D, C, AA and AAA are all the same voltage and amerage but don't have the same runtime, almost like a gas tank in a car.

no because if it's true there's no difference between economic AA and duracell Ultras, they have same voltage so I guess it's the linear amperage which is different, anyway my major doubt remains (again) why the one-speaker-only ObiWan will use (again) the AA?
ok....for now I want to stop any supposition and wait for a decent review  (and shots without flash pleaseee) ::)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on March 02, 2006, 01:43:32 PM
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Hey I have just sent Amy a PM to answer one major question
Check it out on the MR forum

lol, if the major question is about AAA (thanks for your interest) I suppose the officiale reply from MR cant be
"hey, it's very bright and nearly inaudible, the batteries last 22 minutes but, hey, the hilt is thinner and nice!!!"
LOL!!!
JUST joking please

Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: xwingband on March 02, 2006, 03:04:18 PM
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I don't know the word then I guess.  There is no difference on LEDs between AA and AAA.  I mean it's staying power.  D, C, AA and AAA are all the same voltage and amerage but don't have the same runtime, almost like a gas tank in a car.

no because if it's true there's no difference between economic AA and duracell Ultras, they have same voltage so I guess it's the linear amperage which is different, anyway my major doubt remains (again) why the one-speaker-only ObiWan will use (again) the AA?
ok....for now I want to stop any supposition and wait for a decent review  (and shots without flash pleaseee) ::)

You are right and wrong. ;D  If you had a set of AA and AAA Duracell ultras the only difference would be their runtimes.  There is a slight difference in amperage between brand A and brand B though, which is why the cheapest battery you could find wouldn't be as good as lithiums or Ultras, etc...  Each company has a slightly different formula for their batteries otherwise you'd be right that there'd be no difference in buying cheap batteries vs. the more expensive kinds.

BUT between the same brand and type the AA vs. AAA should have the same voltage and amperage.

Think a gas tank.  AA Ultras are like a 30 liter (I remember you're european ;) ) with 92 octane gas.  The Cheap AA's would be a 30 liter tank with 87 octane gas.   And the kicker, AAA Ultras would be like a 20 liter tank with 92 octane gas.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on March 02, 2006, 11:34:02 PM
understood your example

I'm only scared by the price (of decent AAA) considering the lifespan, hey they last 6 month in a miserable tv remote (ok I do a lot of zapping lol) and the ideas they powered 64 leds and a speaker ...uhmmm ... anyway I want to wait some hands-on ... (c'mon ... c'mon... SirSteve? someone... )

about liters ... you're kind but no prob: I have the measure/currency converter always online in the dashboard (a must have for foreign forum lol)

 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MegadetH on May 05, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
Hey dudes, i just got my vader, and, I put fresh cold Energizers in my saber. Its sure as xxx bright, but, there are still very little "Spots" on the blade. Also, how do u remove scuffs? my friend was twirling it and it acidently hit his ceiling fan. Luckly for him, it was not on or else I would have murderd him. >:(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Dustil Onasi on May 06, 2006, 12:14:58 PM
Wow those were nice pics now lets buy some batteries!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on June 04, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
The Maul is very blotchy compared to the other sabers with Duracell Ultra but I think the new Duracell
PowerPix batteries may help a lot. I tried these in my other sabers and really saw an intensity I hadn't
seen before. They made my Vader bright enough that staring at it too long made me see spots for a few
seconds afterwards. lol. Never had that happen with any other battery. I saw them mentioned in another
thread and thought I'd try them.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on June 05, 2006, 12:12:18 AM
having a Maul from two week I finally can say the AAA last half the time of the AA in the Vader/Anakin, in fact my Vader is still working after a month, the Maul is depleted after ten days (just powerupped and swinged around any day for a few minutes), so the "blotchy" question is hot, because I can afford supercostly lithium or whatever batteries and change six batteries every ten days :-(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on June 17, 2006, 10:17:25 AM
personally i havnt had any problems battery-wise. I was one of the first get my Double Maul, and I put batteries in the day I got them. I must say they still work great on the same set of batteries months later. I do swing around that Maul quite a bit, one of my favorite FX's. I just put normal Duracell in mine too..
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on June 17, 2006, 01:24:01 PM
lucky you...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on June 17, 2006, 01:26:24 PM
I know! Every time i turn it on now i get a bit afraid..."will this be the day they give out?..."
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on June 17, 2006, 01:33:56 PM
I must said... with standard Duracell I see the blade very blotchy but in penumbra (a room with lol light level) when you see the blade a little pink
in the complete dark it looks good
I have better result with Energizer Ultimate, the color is more Vaderesque solid
but about lifespan trust me, I do a lot of dueling with the FX and the Maul last half the standard 3xAA FX (I mean using for at least 20' a day) I have done a full change (6 batteries) three times in twenty days :-(
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on June 17, 2006, 01:35:11 PM
oh your absolutely right, go with the ultimate, the lithium, whatever they are called, better everything on those. I have no idea why mine is lasting, definitely a fluke
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GioFX on June 17, 2006, 01:42:28 PM
if you handle it and try a couple of swings alone or just to ear an OOOOH from friends  ;D no worry they last a lot
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on June 17, 2006, 01:48:10 PM
Every couple of weeks i bring my sabers to work, all the customers love them, and needless to say kids are in awe. They do tend to lighten everybody's mood as well. Gotta love these FX's..
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Dark Skywalker on June 17, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
where do you work?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Anakin2 on June 17, 2006, 01:51:46 PM
I be a Manager at a Hollywood Video for the time being.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Dark Skywalker on June 17, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
Sweet, If i brought my Fx's to school I would either get beaten up or they would be stolen. Then again both may happen :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: djforce on June 24, 2006, 10:44:04 AM
I always change my batteries even if new becauce my batteries got too old once and white stuff got in there and it took me a while for me to get some of it out and it still won't come out in one of the battery compartments
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Knight on August 07, 2006, 04:37:26 PM
I mostly change my batteries in my Mace FX if you can see the leds -_-' that looks so stupid.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Knight on August 19, 2006, 12:28:03 PM
Can you see the leds of the other sabers too?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: djforce on August 19, 2006, 12:56:01 PM
only if you try to see it or stare at it too long
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: destrius on August 25, 2006, 01:30:17 PM
So, how will batteries last before the sabers performance starts to decrease?(blade dulls, quiter sound) Cause I hear when you put in new batteries its alot brighter etc...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on November 04, 2006, 09:28:44 AM
i use rechargeables there about 2500mha r these any good lol
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: jack3auer on November 06, 2006, 12:21:21 AM
rechargables wont give you great performance because generally they are only 1.2volt not 1.5volt
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Yoda on November 06, 2006, 01:13:16 AM
After all this time... this batter thread still has it's purpouse :D

Exactly as Han Solo has said ;) ...Use good alkalines in your MRs 8)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on November 06, 2006, 07:21:24 AM
im gonna get some of these on thursday hopefully :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthmaddy on November 25, 2006, 09:33:16 PM
I just got some Energizer E2s at Big Lots.  15 AAs for $7.50.  Thats a pretty good deal!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on November 27, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
thats about £4-5 over here which is a good deal lol we will probably pay more over here though lol
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Vosk on December 13, 2006, 01:22:23 PM
I've been meaning to ask... has anyone boughten from this website: http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? ?

Yoda posted it quite a few pages back and I pmed him asking if he had boughten from them before and seeing if they were reliable or not but that was a couple of days ago and I haven't gotten a reponse back from him yet.

So anyways I thought I'd ask here.  Has anyone boughten from them, are they reliable?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on December 14, 2006, 09:18:36 AM
iv never tryed them lol thanks for posting it though il have a look
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mojo_LA on December 20, 2006, 02:52:13 PM
Here is a test I did of various batteries in my Obi Wan saber.  See the results for yourself!

http://www.monkeyview.net/id/3302/sabers/Obi_Battery_test.vhtml?no_browser_cache=2006-12-20%2001:28:46
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on December 22, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
Great comparison Mojo. Powerpix are my only choice after comparing batteries in my sabers (allthough I've never tried the more expensive Lithiums) I just find the intensity of the LEDs a lot better with them. Very, very bright.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: cw on December 22, 2006, 03:07:28 PM
Great comparison Mojo. Powerpix are my only choice after comparing batteries in my sabers (allthough I've never tried the more expensive Lithiums) I just find the intensity of the LEDs a lot better with them. Very, very bright.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Vosk on January 04, 2007, 07:08:50 PM
Well this morning I had my dad get me some Lithium Energizer batteries with a Wally World gift card that I had gotten for Christmas.  I have noticed that the blades are quite a bit brighter but not that much.  There is still some blotchyness to them especially in my Maul. :(   I think I'll try Duracell Ultra's next since those are A LOT cheaper than the Lithium Energizers.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mojo_LA on January 05, 2007, 12:31:54 AM
Dude are you reading the posts?  Forget the other batteries just get DURACELL POWER PIX.

They are more expensive than regular alkaline, but not as much as lithiums - and they perform as well as lithium (perhaps even a slight bit better).
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Vosk on January 05, 2007, 03:06:34 AM
Why dude yes I do read the posts!  ::)

I have the right to still experiment on my own, if I want to. 
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: zmmptet3 on January 05, 2007, 07:01:13 AM
Is there a technical reason to use or not to use powerpix in my lux saber? Not an energizer vs. duracell debate, but will the powerpix batteries harm my saber?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on January 05, 2007, 11:35:43 AM
i must charge my batts soon its been ages since i last recharged them but they still look very bright
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mojo_LA on January 05, 2007, 12:26:57 PM
Of course everyone is welcome to experiment, but I already tried all the batteries and took careful comparison pictures so everyone else wouldn't have to bother.  My tests and those made by others (look at the other battery threads) have shown that the Duracell Power Pix beat them all.

No, they won't harm your saber.  They couldn't sell them if they were capable of damaging anything.

Honestly, the only way a battery is going to harm your saber is if it exploded inside, which is extremely rare.  And even then, chances are you could clean out the power pack and it would still be fine.

The bottom line is any AA battery out there will work and be safe, but some will perform better than others.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Lord Throughlou on January 05, 2007, 12:46:27 PM
what about hooking a car batt up to the saber but you would need a meaty fuse LMAO
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: zmmptet3 on January 05, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
what about hooking a car batt up to the saber but you would need a meaty fuse LMAO
It would be just like the lightsabers the jedi used before they created internal power cells.  ;)

Totally forgot to say thanks for answering my question. So, uh, Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jin on January 05, 2007, 06:23:38 PM
I had Duracell Ultras in my luxeon 3 Anakin and I switched them with Energizer E2 rechargables. Wow, huge difference there. Even though these are rechargables, they are exceptionally bright. I can't wait until I pick up some E2 lithiums. Mojo, the problem with Powerpixs is that while they are strong at first, they loose their charge faster than E2 Li. Even on the duracell powerpix page it warns that they won't last that long in flashlights. So E2 Li are probably better overall because they stay consistent for longer periods of time. Here's a link to Duracell's page with the powerpix thing, note that they compared their powerpix against alkaline batteries when discussing the flashlight thing. Thus, compared to Li, I believe it might yield similar results (A little brighter, but not as long).

http://www.duracell.com/gna/powerpix/faq.htm
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Mojo_LA on January 05, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
Jin, you are absolutely right, lithiums would most likely outlast anything.  I was wondering how PowerPix would stack up as far as longevity went, and it seems that while they might beat lithiums by maybe 5% for brightness, they willl probably loose their edge and fade out much faster.

In the end, lithiums might not be as expensive as they seem.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Jedi Farmboy on June 20, 2007, 04:52:08 AM
Just put new lithiums in my obi-wan and would like to re-emphasize this.

Do not underestimate the power of new batteries.

Id forgotten what a fully lit fx looked like!  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: howie on January 07, 2008, 05:35:28 AM
First time posting. Ordered myself a Darth Vader ESB FX saber... now, bout the batteries. I'll just have to say CR*P cause I bought Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries from Energizer for the Saber. Will those types of batteries spoil the saber like titanium or lithium batteries?

(I like this site a lot  ;) )


Rechargeables are the most practical way in all honesty though cause all you have to do is buy them once and i didnt have any problems with them in any of mine althought i havent converted my sabers yet but i soon will
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Sidneyious on January 07, 2008, 05:58:03 AM
The thing with rechargables is they lose there effectiveness after a while. and some rechargables will actually suck themselves in.

You know on the positive end the bit that sticks up. that will actually start sucking itself in. After that happens I dont know, I tossed them before I could find out.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Taskmaster99 on February 07, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Jin, you are absolutely right, lithiums would most likely outlast anything.  I was wondering how PowerPix would stack up as far as longevity went, and it seems that while they might beat lithiums by maybe 5% for brightness, they willl probably loose their edge and fade out much faster.

In the end, lithiums might not be as expensive as they seem.

I've used Power Pix recently and found that they dont last long at all. Brightness....amazing. Longevity.......blah!!!



Also make sure none of you buy Sunbeam brand batteries. My finace bought an 8 pack of these for around the house. I needed some batteries for my 2 Hasbro Force action sabers. They lasted all of about 3 days. Cant imagine what a Force FX would look like with these pieces of crap.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterScott831 on April 06, 2008, 02:46:54 AM
I've done a whole trial and error with various batteries for sabers. I'm talking about full on lab reports! I was so desperate with finding the perfect battery source for sabers. Here are my results.

 2005 Darth Maul FX
 Energizer e2 Titannium

 2007 Luke ANH
 Duracell Ultra

 Mace Windu
 Energizer e2 LITHIUM ION
 (not to be confused with Energizer e2 Titannium!
 That's a completely different battery.)

 Obi-wan ROTS
 Sony Heavy Duty

That's all I got. Anyone who wants to fill in the blanks, go right ahead.
For anyone who wants to stick with just one brand and not go out buying
loads of different batteries, I suggest Energizer e2 Lithium Ion. Trust me on that.
Oh, and one more thing. If anyone suggests getting rechargeables of any brand,
DO NOT DO IT!!!
It'll fry the LEDs and the soundboard. The sabers can't handle the stored outlet power for more than four
or five saber ignitions. Not only does it warn this in the manuals, but I've done it out of curiousity to record the outcome.
Biggest mistake of my life!! I warn any and all saber owners, if you value your saber, you will not use
rechargeable batteries at all. I know that some people have suggested rechargeables on this and other forums. But they obviously either never done it before, or they get their jollies from telling people this (the nerve of some people!). I really can not stress this enough. Anyone saying rechargeables are safe for sabers IS LYING TO YOUR FACE!! Don't do it.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: PLO KOON on April 06, 2008, 04:32:45 AM
Is there a Tesco available in your area? The Tesco branded batteries are dirt cheap and they make the (stock) FX Sabers look bright as usual. A pack of 4 AA batteries can be bought at 2.50MYR (0.78USD)
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterScott831 on April 13, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
no, I've never heard of them. I'll check for one in the area. thanks for the heads up, plo koon!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthmorbius on April 23, 2008, 12:26:05 AM
Here's a little something for all you people that grew up in the 90's ;)



Hey! It's on topic! :D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterScott831 on April 25, 2008, 03:20:05 PM
Haha! I remember that commercial! It's still funny.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: WEDGE ANTILLES on April 25, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
he should have yelled "NOOOOOO!" then it would be perfect
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Onli-Won Kanomi on April 25, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
Hmmmmm...watching that commercial again slowly I'm wondering exactly which Vader saber that is...it doesn't look EXACTLY like a ROTJ in the pic that shows the emitter from above and there also appears to be a different rivet pattern on the rubber grips in the battery shot than I've seen before??? Am I seeing correctly?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 25, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
Just an FYI, for those of you who think you may get even brighter luminosity if you get the ultra special Energizer titanium or lithium batteries, I would suggest you DON'T use them.

Master Replicas is specific about what kind of battery you are supposed to use with the Force FX: only akaline batteries. If you don't use akaline, you run the risk of damaging your Force FX, or severely shortening its lifespan.

I haven't read the whole thread, but i do read the saber manual and the battery manual which says energizer lithium is alkaline  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthmorbius on April 25, 2008, 09:49:56 PM
Just an FYI, for those of you who think you may get even brighter luminosity if you get the ultra special Energizer titanium or lithium batteries, I would suggest you DON'T use them.

Master Replicas is specific about what kind of battery you are supposed to use with the Force FX: only akaline batteries. If you don't use akaline, you run the risk of damaging your Force FX, or severely shortening its lifespan.

Funny, because I have been using the Energizer e2 Lithiums for a year and a half now in my converted Luke ROTJ with no adverse effect whatsoever...  And before I converted it, I still used them.

I also Use Li-Ion batteries with MR boards regulary with no downsides...

You do realize that the MR instruction sheets are written at a 6th grade reading level right?  The Force FX Lightsabers were designed NOT to be taken apart, and were intended to be left in their factory state.  The boards inside them can handle a lot more juice than they normally receive, and we are talking voltage here. 

Batteries that output a little more mAh are not going to adversely effect anything.  Sorry to point out the misinformation, but your statement is not grounded in the reality you may think it is.

Basically MR put that in the instruction manual to cover their sixes in case some stump jumpin' jethro decided to put THREE li-ion rechageables into the saber, bork it up and demand a refund.

Let's face it here, if you put three ultrafires in a STOCK MR saber... You won't be happy with the results, when you start smelling burnt wiring, and no cool stuff happening in the saber, except for som smoke rolling out of the pommel cap when you open it up.

MR boards can handle up to 6.5V.  Three Ultrafire LC14500's = 10.8V...  That's why MR put that disclaimer in.

The other reason, is that NIMH rechargeables typically run around 1.2V which is a little lower than the 1.5V a normal alkaline battery runs at...

Running a saber at a lower voltage than its target voltage will cause odd fluctuations in sound quality, and can provide a dimmer or even spotty blade. Which in turn will lead to yet another return to the retailer, and a loss to the profit margin of the company...

ALL manufacturers write stuff like that into instruction manuals to cover their butts.  It's not that they think everyone is ignorant, but they have to assume as such for the safety of their profit. Basically if they dumb it down as much as possible, then they can turn a larger profit on each unit sold, rather than having to have units returned to the manufacture point for inspection or repair...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 26, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
Does anybody know why my luke anh has very slight dark spots at the upper half of the blade? (I use the Energizer Lithiums btw) It's noticeable on video whenever I swing my blade quickly, but not when idle or moving slightly.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthmorbius on April 26, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
It might be the diffuser foam padding around the LED strip.   or just a connection that isn't fully soldered on the ladder.

My guess would be the diffuser, because from time to time they got a batch that wasn't always even in thickness and composition.  It's not like the led is completely dead though right?...
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 26, 2008, 10:29:41 PM
It might be the diffuser foam padding around the LED strip.   or just a connection that isn't fully soldered on the ladder.

My guess would be the diffuser, because from time to time they got a batch that wasn't always even in thickness and composition.  It's not like the led is completely dead though right?...

No....it's not completely out - some spots only look darker than the rest of the blade :D Thanks for the info DT  :D

So, it's not caused by the batteries?

Can stronger batteries make up for it?
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterScott831 on April 27, 2008, 02:00:39 AM
It might be the diffuser foam padding around the LED strip.   or just a connection that isn't fully soldered on the ladder.

My guess would be the diffuser, because from time to time they got a batch that wasn't always even in thickness and composition.  It's not like the led is completely dead though right?...

No....it's not completely out - some spots only look darker than the rest of the blade :D Thanks for the info DT  :D

So, it's not caused by the batteries?

Can stronger batteries make up for it?

Duracell Ultra, bro. I also own Luke ANH and I noticed that same problem with Li-Ions (see my chart on page 31 of this topic).
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 27, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
It might be the diffuser foam padding around the LED strip.   or just a connection that isn't fully soldered on the ladder.

My guess would be the diffuser, because from time to time they got a batch that wasn't always even in thickness and composition.  It's not like the led is completely dead though right?...

No....it's not completely out - some spots only look darker than the rest of the blade :D Thanks for the info DT  :D

So, it's not caused by the batteries?

Can stronger batteries make up for it?

Duracell Ultra, bro. I also own Luke ANH and I noticed that same problem with Li-Ions (see my chart on page 31 of this topic).

Thanks!! I didn't think something cheaper would be stronger  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darthmorbius on April 27, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Actually if the Saber is Stock, then The Duracell Ultra Digitals have been test-proven to be the most beneficial in a Force-FX Saber than any other aside from the Energizer Titaniums...

The e2 Lithiums are better for those sabers that have been converted to Luxeon.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 27, 2008, 11:27:48 PM
Actually if the Saber is Stock, then The Duracell Ultra Digitals have been test-proven to be the most beneficial in a Force-FX Saber than any other aside from the Energizer Titaniums...

The e2 Lithiums are better for those sabers that have been converted to Luxeon.

That's why - mine has a stock blade  ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: GRAND MOFF TARKIN on April 28, 2008, 06:02:30 AM
Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix Duracell Power Pix.....


They make quite a difference...but have a short life. So they are more for showing off then general use
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: coLUKEtor on April 28, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
So, which battery will produce the brightest and most even MR stock blade? BTW, I re-checked the batteries I'm using - they're energizer titanium not lithium   ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Arthet5 on April 28, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Lithium batteries are pretty much optimul in terms of current and voltage effeciency. The problem is that you would opt to go for rechargeable since you would have to continuosly replace the nonrechargable batteries. Which you would have to do some cutom modifications to your saber.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Vader81 on December 22, 2008, 02:05:05 AM
I just saw the youtube energizer commercial of page 31, i remember that, and it was halarious!!!!! thanx for finding that!!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: illz302 on January 02, 2009, 05:21:59 PM
So today I just got my Maul battle damaged hilt from amazon it works great but i wanted to tell everyone just how important batteries can be we all know the blades on the maul are thicker so even with the same batteries as your other hasbro fx sabers it would look less bright.... Anyways I got curious and put energizer lithium batteries in it and wow its actually brighter than my hasbro vader anh with energizer rechargables with a full charge I would show you a pic but my camera cannot see the difference but I def can i love this saber anyways now I just love it even more..... ;D
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Pepperpete on June 19, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
I've found that anytime I've cheaped out on batteries, I've paid for it twice over with less run time and less brightness. Go big or go home with batteries for sure.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: propuser on August 12, 2010, 12:59:17 AM
Those are really great infos...thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: BOBA FETT on February 01, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
We see this every time we do a costumed "troop" There's allways someone who forgot to change their batteries or who's bought cheapo batteries at the grosery store before coming to the troop. If you put 5 jedi close to each other for a group pic, the diffirence is very noticable.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MaleficusForte on February 02, 2011, 03:55:05 AM
masterscott posted 2 years ago that rechargeable batteries arent safe. 3 years later, does that still hold true? or are today's soundboards and PCB able to prevent the Li-ion rechargables from frying the soundboard and misc hardware
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: darth_call on February 02, 2011, 04:16:49 AM
The same hold true;
Always use protected cells when using Li-Ion, whether it is single protected 3.7v, or homemade pack, (using the pcb).
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: MasterScott831 on February 02, 2011, 08:53:21 AM
Yes, as Chewbacca explained, it still holds true.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Korain Halcyon on May 23, 2011, 04:49:18 PM
All that I currently own is a MR anakin fx saber, and the first thing I've done from reading this forum is try new batteries for my saber. It hadn't really occured to me that the rayovac batteries weren't giving me the best blade brightness. Soooo I went out yesterday and got some Duracell Ultra Advanced and some Duracell Powerpix. The powerpix were a pain to find I might add.

Anyway unless im having a crazy placebo effect the powerpix definately gave me a brighter saber. Most of the dark areas between the leds were 'filled in'. The Ultras did give me a slightly brighter blade than the rayovacs so ill probably keep those in and only use the powerpix if anybody else wants to see it.

My next saber is gonna be the vader removable blade fx and im excited to see what a red fx saber looks like cause I haven't seen one in person yet.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: Darth Matth on October 01, 2011, 07:40:32 AM
I'm surpriced that the PowerPix is still; the brightest.
I haven't tryed batteries lately, since most of my sabers are rechergeable now. (CF sabers)
I have some FX's but they are not in my livingroom to take and see.

I was hoping someone encountered newer MUCH greater batteries in the meantime.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: zed117 on November 10, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
Im getting my ROTJ 2011 Hasbro. Can someone PM me or let me know what current batteries produce the brightest blade WITHOUT frying my Saber? Thanks!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on November 11, 2013, 05:43:16 AM
If you are not converting it, you would just use the batteries that it calls for.  Usually AAAs.  There are not really a whole lot of options.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: zed117 on November 11, 2013, 10:00:15 AM
Okay, just wanted to make sure that AAA camera lithium ultimate batteries wouldent fry my saber. Thanks!
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: LUMINARA UNDULI on November 12, 2013, 07:39:54 AM
Sometimes they can.  Some people swear by them, however they can have higher voltage at startup than traditional alkalines so can cause damage.  Up to you.
Title: Re: Don`t skimp on batterys!!
Post by: crystalshop on January 15, 2019, 09:33:30 AM
Yikes! Yes! yes!  :grin: :grin: